Re: [PSES] thoughts on ESD test lab problems

2023-08-12 Thread doug emcesd.com
Thanks everyone for your thoughts. But in the case of ESD testing, IEC 61000-4-2 is not a very good standard. We knew this in 1996 where work done by myself and others showed that the waveform needs to have a di/dt spec to rule out the uncontrolled high frequency ringing many simulators

Re: [PSES] thoughts on ESD test lab problems

2023-08-12 Thread Brent DeWitt
I suspect that folks who have been directly involved with air-discharge ESD can appreciate it's inherent, operator influenced, uncertainly. Having run both internal and third party EMC test labs, I recognize that few things are done "perfectly" (whatever "perfect" is), but I've always

Re: [PSES] thoughts on ESD test lab problems

2023-08-12 Thread John Mcbain
The basic question is, "How good is good enough?" Risk standards for product safety address that question to some extent, but it applies to every lab measurement, whether the applicable standards (or regulations) consider it or not. Best regards, John McBain On Sat, Aug 12, 2023 at 2:26 AM John

Re: [PSES] thoughts on ESD test lab problems

2023-08-12 Thread John Woodgate
But crossing t's and dotting i's is exactly what is required by competence standards, including the several ISO 170XX series. Furthermore, standards specify performance of test equipment, if possible, and only if that is not possible, they specify design. If that is not possible, they specify