Some states have legal requirements for electrical products to be NRTL approved
From: Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org]
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2016 8:26 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US
Hi Scott:
For consumer and household products, compliance
I know that for the Chinese CCC mark the CQC accredited labs will not accept a
generic “various” description for their critical components lists.
What we have done in our CB reports to satisfy them is list a component as
“Model XYZ or equivalent” in the CB critical components list.
The China
With all due respect I think this is a generalization as when I worked at TUV I
assisted companies who were very safety conscience and it came down from the
top. I am also lucky to currently work for a company where the upper management
is very supportive of product safety.
That being said I
The Japan Denan law has two different levels of regulation
1. Category A Specified products: These require accredited third party
testing and certification. These types of product require to be marked with the
PSE diamond mark. Wall/ Floor wart power supplies fall under this category
it is accurate. If anyone has
had a different experience I would be interested in hearing what you have found.
From: Tyra, John
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 9:48 AM
To: 'Charlie Blackham'; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: Japan PSE Mark for external AD/DC adapter
The Japan Denan law has two
I did a lot of research on the new CQC requirements when I first found out
about them in early 2012 so some of the information, like drop dead date,
below may have changed since then but here is a short version of what I learned.
I can only speak Audio/ Video Products but this requirement
Brian is 100% correct in that NRTL's are within their right to reject
certifications and or test reports from other NRTL labs.
There is an NRTL here in the U.S. that has strict requirements about accepting
component approvals from other NRTL's. They may accept other NRTL approvals but
they
NRTL's are like doctors. Just because someone has a medical degree does not
mean they are good doctors. Same with NRTL's in my experience. Just because
they are accredited does not mean they are good test labs. There are ones that
do excellent jobs and others not so much.
When I was at TUV we
India is a member if the CB scheme yet they will not accept CB certifications
and reports for the recent mandatory certification scheme that was rolled out
in that country. They insist they must do complete retesting.
There was a recent IECEE vote to suspend their membership in the CB Scheme
Thanks Kevin,
Appreciate the information as that clear up a lot of misconceptions on the NRTL
program.
Please be sure I was not trying to criticize the OSHA NRTL program and as you
said only sharing my experience from 20 years ago.
Sounds like OSHA has made great progress in the audit program
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Subject: Re: [PSES] Battery certification issue
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, dated Thu, 4 Sep 2014, Tyra, John john_t...@bose.com writes:
India is a member if the CB scheme yet they will not accept CB
certifications
guidance and may not be applicable to your product
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From: Scott Xe [mailto:scott...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 9:54 AM
To: Tyra, John; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: Definition of Declaration of Conformity
Hi John,
The info is clear that DoC
For IEC60065 Appendix N2.1 (informative) specifies a maximum production line
dielectric trip current limit of 100mA. This is considered a dielectric
failure and looked at as the same as breakdown or flashover.
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From: Brian Oconnell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com]
There is a lot of guidance on the internet related to CE Marking and DoC's
https://www.gov.uk/ce-marking
http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/policies/single-market-goods/cemarking/
http://www.ce-marking.org/what-is-ce-marking.html
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From: Scott Xe
I don't disagree Rich as I was only pointing out that IEC60065 does have some
guidance regarding tester trip points logical or not.
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From: Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org]
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 2:49 PM
To: Tyra, John; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re
What is the breaking capacity of the fuse? Sounds like it may be a low breaking
capacity fuse. If it is you should change it to a high breaking capacity fuse.
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Boštjan Glavic
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 12:46 AM
To:
Can't comment on ITE equipment since we make Audio Video products but I have
found this process to be very chaotic and time consuming for our products
There was a considerable amount of documentation required especially for the
manufacturing facilities.
There are only a handful of accredited
Found this OSM decision while I was searching for other info. I guess the
question becomes is it considered a CHILD APPEALING product?
Standard:
EN 60065:1998
EN 60065:2002 Sub clause:
- Sheet No.:
02/1
Page 1 of 1
Subject:
Child appealing Multimedia products Key words:
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Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:22 AM
To: Tyra, John; 'EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG'
Subject: RE: 3D passive glasses
Sounds logical - but good lord a kid finds dog poo appealing so that's kind of
a broad category
Gary
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From: Tyra, John [mailto:john_t
EN60065 AMD12 and EN60950 have new clauses for limits for headphones sold
without players. Also EN50332-2 specifies measurement criteria for standalone
headphones.
Also be aware that there are draft standards for EN50332-1 and -2 which are out
for vote by the National Committees and are
EN60065 subclause Zx.4.3 specifies requirements for wireless headphones and
has the following note
NOTE An example of a wireless listening device is a Bluetooth headphone.
It also references EN50332-1 -2 for the measurement criteria.
I was on the TC committee which wrote the new sound
...@bluprd0811mb414.namprd08.prod.o
utlook.com, dated Fri, 29 Mar 2013, Tyra, John john_t...@bose.com
writes:
The sound pressure requirements are also for standalone listening
devices not sold with a specific portable player and not only for
portable players and associated headphones.
How do you
Thanks Rich,
Much appreciated.
Is there a similar dedicated document comparison for IEC60065 available?
Regards,
John
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To: EMC-PSTC
Cc: Thomas M Burke
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From: Tyra, John [mailto:john_t...@bose.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 3:21 PM
To: Crane, Lauren; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGmailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: One DoC per manufactured Unit?!
I don't know Lauren, I read COM(2011) 773 final and NLF Council Decision
768/2008
I don't know Lauren, I read COM(2011) 773 final and NLF Council Decision
768/2008 and I interpret it to mean you need a unique model number which can be
cross referenced with the TCF reports for that model. I am not seeing where it
requires each unit to have a unique ID# listed on the DoC which
Hello Everyone,
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Good guidance here
http://www.iata.org/SiteCollectionDocuments/Documents/GuidanceDocumentontheTransportofLiBatt_2010.pdf
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When I was at TUV the OSHA auditors for our NRTL accreditation were actually
from the Department of Mines if I remember correctly but maybe it has changed
in the last 12years?
For our CB accreditation CENELC did use auditors from other notified bodies
like CSA and VDE.
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For audio video products we were only required to have a CCC certified power
cord. They did not seem to care about low voltage cables...
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Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 5:19 PM
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on the
that I believe the type of equipment you mention may be exempt
From: Ron Wellman [mailto:rwell...@wellman.com]
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 2:46 PM
To: Tyra, John; peterh...@aol.com; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: Mandatory NRTL certification
For Consumer products I see your point
Sorry Rich but I have to disagree as the CEA document I have shows State laws
which specifically call out an NRTL being mandatory to distribute electronic
equipment into those States...
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Richard Nute
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012
In some of the States it specifies an NRTL or lab found to be acceptable by the
State Authorities
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Cc: peterh...@aol.com
Subject
It is a CEA members document so I cannot post it.
From: Ron Wellman [mailto:rwell...@wellman.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 12:59 PM
To: Tyra, John; ri...@ieee.org; 'emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org'
Cc: peterh...@aol.com
Subject: RE: Mandatory NRTL certification
Post the document.
From: emc-p
laboratory equipment but again it would have to be
something low volume and it is not inexpensive as I have looked into it before.
From: Ron Wellman [mailto:rwell...@wellman.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 12:58 PM
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Subject: RE
O.K. Rich maybe we are saying the same thing? My point was an NRTL mark is
basically required to sell electronic product in some states.
From: Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org]
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 2:36 PM
To: Tyra, John; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Cc: peterh...@aol.com
Subject: RE
While there are no Federal laws requiring NRTL certification and marking of
electronic products there are laws in 16 States which require an NRTL mark for
mains connected electronic products...and laws in 4 other States which specify
consumer products only. CEA commissioned a State survey,
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I don't see where companies really have much of a choice as this is a legal
requirement in 20 States for Consumer products
From: Ron Wellman [mailto:rwell...@wellman.com]
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 10:27 AM
To: Tyra, John; peterh...@aol.com; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: Mandatory
Hello Grace, If it is a Lithium battery then it does require a (PS)E mark by
November 10th what type of battery do you have?
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Grace Lin
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 2:05 PM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: Re: Cell and Battery
is for the lithium battery.
I assume the PSE mark required is the diamond one (not circle one). Please
confirm.
Best regards,
Grace
On 10/27/08, Tyra, John john_t...@bose.com wrote:
Hello Grace, If it is a Lithium battery then it does require a (PS)E mark by
November 10th what type
Hello everyone,
I am helping out our Environmental group to try to locate a lab which can
perform Formaldehyde Emission Testing for particleboard and MDF.
Any leads or suggestions would be appreciated.
Regards,
John
John Tyra
Bose Corporation
The Mountain, MS-450
Framingham,
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Subject: Re: Formaldehyde Emission Testing for particleboard and MDF
In message
3c6137471f17424280d9b2ceaefd7f8501488...@usmafrexmb01.bose.com, dated
Fri, 25 Jul 2008, Tyra, John john_t...@bose.com writes:
I am helping out our
Also be aware that the DENAN law in Japan has been amended so that some
Lithium Ion Batteries are now regulated.
Japan's Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry (METI) has added
Lithium batteries: into a list of regulated DENAN products. The new
requirements for Lithium batteries will be
Hello everyone,
Can anyone suggest a consultant in Europe who is plugged into the evolving
Energy Using Products legislation machinery in the EU who would be able to
keep us up to date on things they evolve??
We have resources here in the States and are involved in things developing
here
Hello everyone,
Bose has an immediate opening for a Product Safety Engineer to support the
development of Store fixtures/Kiosks/Displays.
Go to the following website and type 11508BR into the Requisition ID# search
field and the job description should come up.
While not mandatory the ENEC Mark can be useful on components as some Agencies
will accept this Mark as showing compliance to the applicable component
standards. I have found this useful when getting a CB report for a product
which incorporates an ENEC Marked safety critical component.
In these types of debates both sides can usually present their data to
make a strong case that they are correct on an issue. For the average
individual it comes down to what you want to believe which decides which
side you support...
We are seeing this currently with the arm wrestling that is
Carl wrote: 2. A manufacturer certified to perform their own UL
compliance subject to verification by UL, can the manufacturer build
systems while waiting for final approvals; and would it be possible for
the manufacturer to build and ship such a product without applying the
UL mark?
Same rules
I want to thank everyone for the excellent responses and links...great stuff!!
Hello Everyone,
I have read on this list and have been told by TUV that the lower limits for
the voltages of products which fall under the Low Voltage Directive may be
eliminated so that low voltage products would now fall under that directive.
On the Europa website I read an LVD Working
Great answers Rich!
I do have one question for the group just for my own knowledge...back in my
TUV days I worked almost exclusively with IEC60950 and seem to remember that
a class II product can have a functional earth connection provided Primary
and other hazardous voltages are insulated from
I asked someone in India, the organization name escapes me, about cert
requirements for Audio products about a year ago and was told there were no
mandatory cert requirements for Safety or EMC...As Doug mentioned the
individual directed me to the BIS website for a list of regulated products
If I understand Lou's intent for many standards he is technically correct
If you read UL/IEC60065 sub-clause 4.3, the standard states that if a circuit
is less then 35Vp a.c. or d.c., not generating voltages above that value, and
is not supplied by a circuit which can source 0.2A into any
: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 2:47 PM
To: Tyra, John; santo.mazz...@baesystems.com; marti...@appliedbiosystems.com;
emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: Re: Regulatory Plan
In a message dated 10/22/2003 1:42:02 PM Central Daylight Time,
john_t...@bose.com writes:
I don't know what type of product
I don't know what type of product you are trying to put a plan together for
but I would highly recommend you get a CB certification and report for the
products especially if you are planning to sell in the Far East. The CB
certification will help you with Singapore, Korea, China approvals and
Related to the question ...UL 746C sub-clause 47 specifies testing for
adhesion of metallized coatings for EMC purposes. They reference test
criteria in
ASTMD 3359..If you are submitting to UL and you want to use an EMC
metallized coating in a product, where if the coating was to flake
I thought asking a persons age on a job application for employment is
illegalyes
From: Mike Cantwell [mailto:mcantw...@leapfroginet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:22 PM
To: Emc-Pstc
Cc: Bryan Axmear
Subject: Job Opportunity - Maryland
I received the following job
Hello everyone,
Would anyone happen to know if there are any fire and evac regualroty
requirments for passive speaker in Japan? I have checked on the METI website
and was not able to find any information. I also called JETRO who pointed me
to METI
For the U.S we are certified to UL1480 and
I have a job opening for a Product Safety Engineer here at Bose...minimum
3- 5 years product safety experience preferred, must have thorough knowledge
of IEC/UL60065 or similar standards 950, 1010 etc, have handled Agency
submittals, and be willing to get your hands dirty doing
We just went through this exercise recently and, yes that is correct,
someone in Japan must take the responsibility as the Reporting Supplier
(Importer) of the product. If you do not have an importer in place, or a
subsidiary in Japan, who can take on the responsibility then your customer
must
IP ratings are described in IEC60529 Degrees of protection provided by
enclosures (IP code)...
The first characteristic numeral, 5, denotes protection against access to
hazardous parts and/or protection against entry of solid bodies. In this
case you must protect against
I also heard the future incarnation of the LVD will start at
0V
From: Cereceres, David [mailto:dcerece...@pelco.com]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 1:27 PM
To: 'Rich Nute'; david.gelf...@memotec.com
Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: CE without LVD?
Mr. Nute,
At what duty cycle
From: Robert Johnson [mailto:john...@itesafety.com]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:48 AM
To: 'JP Hare'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: AC outlet max current
A noncontinuous load is permitted to use 100% of the circuit rating. Only
continuous loads need the
Hello everyone,
I was hoping someone out there could help me determine what are the language
requirements for translation of manuals for the CE-Mark.
As I am sure most of you know Bose makes Audio/Video products. Our products
fall under the LVD, EMC, and for wireless remotes the RTTE
Kurt,
Try contacting this gentlemen. I think he can help you
Nabil Bill Bekdash
+1 978 635-8650/1/2/3 (Phone)
+1 978 635-1620 (Fax)
Email address: nbekd...@etlsemko.com
RLC-Americas Department E-mail address: r...@etlsemko.com
Kuwait PAI ICCP web site address: www.pai-iccp.com
SASO ICCP
...@lyons.demon.co.uk]
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 6:19 AM
To: Tyra, John; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: Comment re: RE: SV: NRTL in the U.S.
In message 418fbd441c22d5118d860003470d43160543f...@cupid.bose.com
Tyra, John writes:
Attached is an article from the Conformity 2002 Annual Guide
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
Attached is an article from the Conformity 2002 Annual Guide titled Know
When You Need To List Your Product And When You Don't written by John
Curtis of Curtis- Strauss LLC. It gives some great information. For those
who, rightfully, fear attachments,
This is partially true in that while the there are some EU standards
harmonized with UL standards, they are not completely harmonized and you
still have to consider the U.S. National Deviations to be totally complaint
a good example is component approvals. The UL standard will usually require
a
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Hello Rod:
The Saudi Agency SASO has an office at Intertek in Boxborough MA.
Here is the contact info:
SASO ICCP
70 Codman Hill Road
Boxborough, MA 01719
p: 978-635-8651
f: 978-635-1620
The Managers name is Bill Bekdash and he probably can help
For large systems which cannot logistically either fit into chambers or
would cost a small fortune to ship to a lab I believe you can have a
notified body do modified EMC on site. I know TUV Rheinland in Newtown CT
has a very nice Mobile EMC lab where they will come to your facility and do
While a mouse cannot function by itself, as it needs to be connected to
something, it is a complete product in the sense that it should comply with
the Safety and EMC standards and does not require any special safety related
install or usage instructions. It therefore is able to bear the GS
Greg Galluccio wrote:
The GS Mark has no mechanism for delineating between components and
finished products - both can receive GS approval. Hence the TUV GS mark.
Unless something has changed in the in the last two years, when I was
employed at TUV, this is actually not quite correct.
I read in !emc-pstc that Tyra, John john_t...@bose.com wrote (in
418fbd441c22d5118d860003470d43160543e...@cupid.bose.com) about 'CE
Marking for Passive speakers' on Mon, 23 Sep 2002:
Still cost money! Every page you print has a cost associated with it even
if
it is in the already existing
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Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 4:49 PM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: Re: EN60065 mains switches
I read in !emc-pstc that Tyra, John john_t...@bose.com wrote (in
418fbd441c22d5118d860003470d43160543e...@cupid.bose.com) about
'EN60065 mains switches' on Wed, 18 Sep
I wish to thank everyone for taking the time to consider my questions. There
were a many good points brought up and it gave me some new issues to
consider, i.e. immunity testing for intense. As I expected the opinion was
split and I have to admit that I am still not convinced that CE Marking is
Hello Chris,
We are going through the same issue here at Bose...A while back we received
a ruling that this type of design did meet the intent of the standard from
TUV and UL. CSA was a little more stringent in their interpretation.
Based on my correspondence with CSA here is my take:
1. You
Hello everyone,
I was wondering if anyone out there can provide me with help in determining
whether passive speakers and headphones are required to be CE-Marked for
entry into the EU?
We have an old document from BAPT in Germany which implies that passive
speakers are required to be CE Marked
Richard,
I would contact Steven Kraemer @ TUV Rheinland in the Toronto office. He is
very knowledgeable in the area of Noise requirements in the EU.
regards,
John
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From: richwo...@tycoint.com [mailto:richwo...@tycoint.com]
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 11:44 AM
I agree with Peter, per the standard, and most IEC product standards, you
need two levels of protection from electric shock. In your case the y-caps
provide one level (basic insulation) and the earth connection provides the
second. As long as your earth path, between primary and secondary (I am
Hello Oscar,
FYI The 6th ed of IEC60065 does not include battery powered product in the
scope but the recently published 7th 2001 ed does now include battery
powered product...I would stick with the 6th edition as the 7th has not
been adopted by many countries yet.I agree with Sam in
Hello Doug,
Bose buys many of our standards from ILI in Great Britain (I believe)
http://www.ili-info.com/us/ and we have received some in electronic format.
These sites also seems to offer standards in PDF form and also gives you a
simple free search engine to help you identify and find
on
this subject.
I am still researching and will be happy to share my future findings.
Best regards,
John
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From: Nick Williams [mailto:nick.willi...@conformance.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 3:50 PM
To: Tyra, John
Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: Re: Suffocation hazard
Hello all,
I am in the process of reviewing the plastic bags we use to package our
products and have a old 100th generation copy of an excerpt from a
California Business and Professions Code which implies that plastic bags
less than a mil thick need to have a warning marking.
Does anyone have
for the
confusion..
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From: Tyra, John
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 2:29 PM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: Regulatory requirements for Taiwan
Hello Everyone,
I just received an e-mail from our distributor in Thailand that starting
August
Hello Everyone,
I just received an e-mail from our distributor in Thailand that starting
August 31st our home audio product are subject to a new certification scheme
which will require test verification and licensing in order to be imported
into the country.
Does anyone have any additional
Hello Everyone,
I am new to the list and was hoping that someone could help me with the
following question. I have been tasked with researching Formaldehyde out
gasssing regulations for products utilizing composite ( particle board)
material. Our speaker cabinets utilize this material.
I have
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