[PSES] FW: [PSES] engineers-turned-detectives have become heroes in the village of Aberhosan Wales

From: Sykes, Bob Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2020 11:06 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] engineers-turned-detectives have become heroes in the village of Aberhosan Wales Another EMC war story written for the general public, but interesting (to me) and certainly geek humor 

[PSES] FW: [PSES] Legal opinion on the European standardisation system published by the Federal Ministry for Economic Affairs and Energy

Documents downloaded to \\server-ts\sysdata\REFERENCE\Compliance Data Base\01-Standards Library\01-(MAIN) EMC\EU Directive Related David From: loerzer_mob...@globalnorm.de Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 10:08 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Legal opinion on the European

[PSES] FW: [PSES] Question on 15.407 spurious emissions testing method enforcement

From: micha...@acbcert.com Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 11:24 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Question on 15.407 spurious emissions testing method enforcement Hi Charles, I hope you are well. When performing your 15.109 emissions (part 15 subpart B) on the digital

Re: [PSES] Reading or Limit Conversion?

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[PSES] Reading or Limit Conversion?

A number of standards list radiated emission limits in the frequency range of 30-1000 MHz for test distance greater than 3 or 10 meters. Testing is normally performed at either 3 meters or 10 meters on an Open Area Test Site. A question has arisen concerning reporting the test results in these

[PSES] IEC 60601-1-2: 2014 Testing on Device Powered from Computer USB Port

Hi, 1. One of our customers manufactures a medical device that is connected to a USB port of a laptop/Personal Computer. 2. The USB port provides both DC and communication to the device. 3. The connected laptop/PC has no relation to the Basic Safety or Essential Performance of the

Re: [PSES] EN 55032

I was informed that almost all the latest versions of standards are being held up over legal issues since a standard was introduced as evidence in a court case. CISPR 11 and others have the same issue. Regards, David Shidlowsky | Technical Reviewer Address 1 Bat-Sheva St. LOD 7120101 Israel Tel

[PSES] EMC List of Harmonised Standards Published 13 July 2018

Any thoughts concerning the latest list of Harmonised standards: Latest edition of 55011 not included Latest edition of EN 55014-1 not included Latest edition of EN 55014-2 not included Latest edition of EN 55032 not included EN 55035

[PSES] EN 55035/35

Hello EN 55032/CISPR 32 state in their scope that " In-situ testing is outside the scope of this publication." EN 55035/CISPR 35 make no mention of in-situ. Any thoughts on EN 55035/CISPR 35 being applicable to in-situ testing? Also, EN 55035 appears in the RED list of harmonized standards. Any

[PSES] FW: Industrial Printer

An industrial printer has been tested to EN 55011: 2009 + A1: 2010 and EN 61000-6-2: 2005 + AC: 2006 (latest EMCD OJ). Another industrial printer has been tested to EN 61000-6-4: 2007 + A1: 2011 and EN 61000-6-2: 2005 + AC: 2006 (latest EMCD OJ). The printers are used in an industrial

[PSES] IEC 60601-1-2: 2014 4th Edition

Hi, A question has arisen concerning grandfathering to the IEC 60601-1-2: 2007 3rd Edition. If a device has met the requirements of IEC 60601-1-2: 2007 3rd edition, is it acceptable to only test for the additional requirements of IEC 60601-1-2: 2014 4th Edition? Can a manufacturer then claim

[PSES] EN 55035

Hi I saw that EN 55035 is listed in the OJ list of Harmonised Standards for the RED. Any thoughts regarding the EMCD since no new list of harmonised standards has been published for the EMCD since 2016. Regards, David Shidlowsky | Technical Reviewer Address 1 Bat-Sheva St. LOD 7120101 Israel

Re: [PSES] AW: [PSES] OJ list of standards under the EMC Directive

Anyone have any idea when a new list of harmonized standards for the EMC Directive will be published? The last one is dated 12.08.16. I have customers asking why testing is performed to the latest edition of standards while the latest edition doesn't appear in the OJ list. e.g. EN 55014-2: 2015

[PSES] IEC 60601-1-2: 2014 Basic Safety and Essential Performance Pass/Fail Criteria

Hello A manufacturer of medical equipment has declared that his device has no basic safety or essential requirements. During ESD testing, the device stopped working after Air Discharges of ±15 kV were applied. Is this regarded as a failure according to the standard? No Part 2 particular Safety

[PSES] New List of Harmonised Standards for the EMCD

Does anyone know of any plans for publishing a new list of harmonized standards for the EMCD? The last one is more than a year old. Regards, David Shidlowsky | Technical Reviewer Address 1 Bat-Sheva St. LOD 7120101 Israel Tel 972-8-9186113 Fax 972-8-9153101 Mail :

[PSES] CISPR 32

Hello CISPR 32 defines analogue/digital data port as signal/control port (3.1.30), antenna port (3.1.3), wired network port (3.1.32), broadcast receiver tuner port (3.1.8), or optical fibre port (3.1.25) with metallic shielding and/or metallic strain relief member(s). Definition 3.1.30

Re: [PSES] Korea KN 32

My experience is also 10m measurements. They also want spectral plots of the measurements even if performed on an OATS where background noise can also appear in the plot. KN32 and KN35 are not available in English. You can try translating a little bit at a time with google translate to compare

[PSES] FW: Testing to EN 55013 or EN 55032

Hi Would an FM receiver used in a motorcycle helmet be subject to testing under EN 55013 or EN 55032? Thanks in advance for any opinions. Regards, David Shidlowsky | Technical Reviewer Address 1 Bat-Sheva St. LOD 7120101 Israel Tel 972-8-9186113 Fax 972-8-9153101 Mail :

[PSES] Standard Gain Horn Antenna Calibration

Hello All According to ANSI 63.4: 2014 Clause 4.7.3 "Standard gain horns need not be periodically recalibrated, unless damage or deterioration is suspected or known to have occurred. If a standard gain horn is not periodically recalibrated, its critical dimensions (see IEEE Std 1309-2005) shall

[PSES] IEC-60601-1-2: 2014 (4th Edition)

Hello, According to Clause 5.2.2.1 "Requirements applicable to all ME EQUIPMENT and ME SYSTEMS", : "For all ME EQUIPMENT and ME SYSTEMS, the technical description shall include the following information: a) the compliance for each EMISSIONS and IMMUNITY standard or test specified by this

[PSES] List of Harmonised Standards for RED; and EMCD 2014/30/EU

Hello Does anyone have any information as to when lists of harmonized standards will be published for both the RED and EMCD 2014/30/EU? Does anyone have any information as to when CISPR 35 will be published? Thanks in advanced for any information Regards, David Shidlowsky | Technical Reviewer

[PSES] Ancillary Equipment per EN 301 489-1

Hi, 1. According to EN 301 489-1 the definition of ancillary equipment is: "equipment (apparatus), used in connection with a receiver or transmitter NOTE: It is considered as an ancillary equipment (apparatus) if: the equipment is intended for use in conjunction with a

Re: [PSES] 47 CFR Part 15 Subpart B / ICES-003 applicable/mandatory for an industrial personal computer?

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[PSES] IEC 60601-1-2: 2014 ; Radio Equipment Directive Harmonised Standards

Hi, I have just looked at the list of EU Harmonised Standards web site and was wondering: Does anyone have any idea as to when a list of harmonized standards will be published for the RED? Does anyone have any idea as to when IEC 60601-1-2: 2014 will be adopted as an EN standard. The latest MDD

Re: [PSES] Webshop/sub-supplier fpr Korean and Taiwanese Standards

Hi, I am running into the same problem. KN35 differences with CISPR 35 which hasn’t been published yet according to the IEC Web Store. Hard to understand the differences between the standards when one of them does not yet exist. Neither link below list CISPR 32. Anyone with any ideas? Regards,

[PSES] EN 55035/CISPR35

Hello All I received a notice that starting in 2016, Korea will only accept test reports to KN32 and KN35. I assume that these are the equivalents of CISPR 32/EN 55032 and CISPR 35/EN55035. >From searching on the internet, I have not been able to find CISPR 35/EN >55035 in final form. Has

[PSES] EN 50130-4: 2013

Hi Has anyone come across a 2013 version of EN 50130-4. I have not found this version on any standards selling site. One of our customers received a comment that this version was not used. Regards, David Shidlowsky | Technical Reviewer Address 1 Bat-Sheva St. POB 87, LOD 71100 Israel Tel

Re: [PSES] FCC market surveillance

I don't know if they publish their findings but we have had a few customers who were requested to send samples to either the TCB or FCC for market surveillance. The results are sent directly to the customer as the test lab is not involved. Regards, David Shidlowsky | Technical Reviewer Address 1

Re: [PSES] EU Customs and EMC test report

Our customers' experiences with Turkish authorities varies. In many cases, the Turks are trying to stick to the letter of the law and will not let in anything for which not all the I's are dotted and t's crossed. I have come across reports both with and without the Directive. Sometimes the

[PSES] Scrolling H

Hi, Has anyone come across this problem. While testing a network switch to EN 55022/24 and FCC Subpart B, the customer insisted that a scrolling H must appear on a visual display used as a peripheral of the network switch. Test setup included a number of PCs, mouse, keyboard, and visual display.

[PSES] MIL-STD-462 July 31 1967

Hi Can anyone tell me where I can find the above standard. I have been able to locate various revisions of the standard but not the 1967 edition. Thanks in advance Regards, David Shidlowsky | Technical Writer Address 1 Bat-Sheva St. POB 87, LOD 71100 Israel Tel 972-8-9186113 Fax 972-8-9153101

[PSES] FW: [PSES] More Tangled.... RE: [PSES] Are unlisted EN standards that are undated references immediately effective?

I come up against this problem all the time. Some of our customers are aware of what the product family standard says regarding the basic standards. It would be useful if all the product family standards used the identical dated references of the basic standards but I guess that it's too much to

[PSES] Schematics for Surge Generator CDI 1000i

Hi, We misplaced our user manual for a CDI surge generator M/N CDI 1000i. Does anyone know where we can get a copy of the manual as well as the schematics? Thanks in advance for any help. Regards, David Shidlowsky | Technical Writer Address 1 Bat-Sheva St. POB 87, LOD 71100 Israel Tel

[PSES] OJ List of Harmonised Standards for New EMC Directive

Any indications as to when a list of harmonised standards to the new EMC Directive will be published? As there is no list as yet, to which Directive should a product be declared , 2004/108/EC or 2014/30/EU? Regards, David Shidlowsky | Technical Writer Address 1 Bat-Sheva St. POB 87, LOD 71100

[PSES] List of Harmonised standards for RED

Hi Does anyone know of a target date for a list of harmonised standards for the RED. I just checked the web site and the list for RTTE still appears but no RED. Regards, David Shidlowsky | Technical Writer Address 1 Bat-Sheva St. POB 87, LOD 71100 Israel Tel 972-8-9186113 Fax 972-8-9153101 Mail

[PSES] FCC Part 18 Power Lines Conducted Emission Limits for Non-Consumer Device

Hi, One of our customers manufactures an RF and IPL Aesthetic device with a number of hand-pieces/applicators for skin treatment, hair removal, etc. The device is a non-consumer device per the definitions in Part 18. The power lines conducted emission limits as appear in Part 18 do not seem

[PSES] FW: CISPR 32/ CISPR 35

HI, Just want a clarification. Do CISPR 32 and CISPR 35 replace CISPR 13 and CISPR 22; CISPR 20 and CISPR 24 respectively? Or are they for Multimedia Equipment only? Regards, David Shidlowsky | Technical Writer Address 1 Bat-Sheva St. POB 87, LOD 71100 Israel Tel 972-8-9186113 Fax 972-8-9153101

[PSES] Testing to EN/IEC 60601-1-2

Hello, Looking for opinions concerning testing to EN/IEC 60601-1-2. Some customers want to perform partial testing only and for CE declare that their device meets the requirements of EN/IEC 60601-1-2. As a test lab, we recommend full testing. Any opinions. Also some of our customers insist that

[PSES] CB EMC Test reports

Hi, Anyone with experience completing CB EMC test reports for ITE or Medical Devices (CISPR 22/24; IEC 61000-3-2; IEC 61000-3-3 or IEC 60601-1-2)? I am looking for example reports that have been completed. Any help will be appreciated. Regards, David Shidlowsky | Technical Writer Address 1

[PSES] Korean EMC Standards

Hi, Does anyone know where I can get/purchase copies of KN 22: 2009 and KN 24: 2011 ? Is anyone familiar with the differences between KN 22 and CISPR 22/EN 55022 and KN 24 and CISPR 24/EN 55024? Thanks for your help Regards, David Shidlowsky | Technical Writer Address 1 Bat-Sheva St. POB 87,

[PSES] CISPR 32; CISPR 35

Hello, Does anyone have any idea/indication as to when CISPR 32 and CISPR 35 will be adopted by the EU and appear in the EMCD list of harmonised standards? Also I saw on the IEC website that Edition 2.0 of CISPR 32 is being prepared. Any ideas? Regards, David Shidlowsky | Technical Writer

[PSES] Lists Of Harmonised Standards

Hi, Does anyone have any leads as to when a new list of harmonized standards to the EMC, Medical Devices, and RTTE Directives will be published. I recall reading in some previous posts that the RTTE Directive is going to be discontinued and a Directive concerning radio only will be published.

[PSES] Used Semi-Anechoic Chamber 10 Meter Range

Hello, Our laboratory is interested in buying a used semi-anechoic chamber with a test distance of 10 meters. Any leads would be appreciated. Please send any leads to my email below and I will forward them to our CEO. Regards, David Shidlowsky | Technical Writer Address 1 Bat-Sheva St. POB 87,

[PSES] EMC,Radio, and Safety Requirements for Brazil

Hello, Can someone point me in the right direction concerning applicable standards for Brazil for EMC, Radio and Safety testing of ITE, Medical, Industrial equipment, household appliances, etc. Thanks in advance. Regards, David Shidlowsky | Technical Writer Address 1 Bat-Sheva St. POB 87, LOD

Re: [PSES] FCC IC and Product Information

In my experience, TCB's don't charge extra for confidentiality unlike the FCC. I have not heard of short term confidentiality for a test report. Internal photos can be kept confidential only under certain circumstances such as the device being filled and sealed with epoxy. Permanent

[PSES] Amendment A1: 2008 to EN 50131-5-3: 2005

Hi all, We purchased EN 50131-5-3: 2005 + A1: 2008 as we couldn't find the amendment separately Can anyone please point me in the direction of the amended parts of the standard. The only part that stands out is the added interpretation sheet. Thanks in advance Regards, David Shidlowsky |

Re: [PSES] CE+CE ...

Charlie, It's best to get a Notified Body Opinion for this. I have done this for a number of our customers. Full 301 489 tests on complete unit, spurious radiated emission to 301 511, safety tests on complete unit. Submission of TCF relying on radio transmitter manufacturer's DoC for RTTE

[PSES] MIL-STD 1725B Conflict

Hello 1. MIL-STD-1275B requires in section 5.4.2.3 “spike imported”, energy content of not less than 15 mJ. 2. Figure 10 of MIL-STD-1725B describes the test circuit for the spike test, including a 0.1µF charge/discharge capacitor. 3. Using the equation E=CV2/2, the capacitor

[PSES] Appropriate ETSI standard for 433 MHz Band Radio

Hello, Any ideas for the appropriate RTTE radio standard for a 433 MHz band, 0.5W conducted RF power, radio device? Any ideas will be appreciated. Regards, David Shidlowsky | Technical Writer Address 1 Bat-Sheva St. POB 87, LOD 71100 Israel Tel 972-8-9186113 Fax 972-8-9153101 Mail

[PSES] ANSI C63.4: 2009

Hello Does anyone know when the FCC is planning to replace ANSI 63.4: 2003 with ANSI 63.4: 2009 if at all? Regards, David Shidlowsky | Technical Writer Address 1 Bat-Sheva St. POB 87, LOD 71100 Israel Tel 972-8-9186113 Fax 972-8-9153101 Mail

[PSES] FW: inquiry concerning MIL STD 461E, CE102 test.

Hello I would appreciate any opinions concerning the following MIL STD 461E/F , CE102 test inquiry: Military EMC labs in Israel or out of Israel have different interpretations of the required LISN correction factor to be used ( of main concern is 10kHz - 200kHz, freq. range ) for calculating

Re: [PSES] Mains voltage in Europe

After all this discussion, Does anyone know the Mains Voltage in the US. It was once 110 VAC and then 115 VAC. I heard that now it may be 120 VAC Any info would be helpful -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Wednesday,

[PSES] CE Authorization of Products Using RF for Aesthetic Skin Treatments - Repost

Hello, Had trouble with original post. 1. One of our customers manufactures products for aesthetic skin treatments using RF for their functions. 2.The RF transmission is at non-ISM frequency bands. 3.Can such devices be approved under CISPR 11, Group 2? 4.Any opinions will be

Re: [PSES] EN 55022 for iTE

Scott We have been testing radiated emission above 1 GHz for EN 55022: 2006/A1:2007 for a few years. ITL is accredited by A2LA. Regards, David Shidlowsky | Technical Writer Address 1 Bat-Sheva St. POB 87, LOD 71100 Israel Tel 972-8-9186113 Fax 972-8-9153101 Mail e...@itl.co.il/dav...@itl.co.il 

Partial testing to RTTE Directive Harmonised Standards

Hi, I would like to get opinions concerning an issue that has arisen with one of our customers. The customer has a radio unit, a sub-configuration (extracted components/assemblies, software) of a unit already tested fully to the appropriate RTTE Directive harmonised standards. Is additional

Operation of a Radio Device in the 88-108MHz Frequency Range

Dear Colleagues, 1. One of our customers would like to operate a short range device, transmitting FM music in the 88-108MHz band to an adjacent radio (2-3m distance) RF power 0dBm. 2. Is the above possible in the EU countries? 3. Thanks for any help. Regards Shaike Raz EMC Laboratory Manager

47 CFR Part 90

Dear All, Does anyone know where I can download the latest version of FCC Rule 47 Part 90 (47CFR90) in pdf format? I would prefer to download the whole part in one file. Thanks to anyone who can assist. Regards David Shidlowsky Technical Writer EMC Laboratory ITL (Product Testing) Ltd.

Test Standards for IDEN and UMTS Digital Cellular Telecommunicati ons Networks

Hi all, Does anyone know where I can find test standards for IDEN and UMTS Digital Cellular Telecommunications Networks? Any help will be appreciated. David Shidlowsky Technical Writer EMC Laboratory ITL (Product Testing) Ltd. Kfar Bin Nun Israel Tel: +972-8-9797799 Fax: +972-8-9797702

EMC Requirements for Medical Equipment in Japan

Dear Colleagues, 1. we are looking for the subject information or a point of contact. 2. Is IEC 60601-1-2 sufficient or are there additional/other requirements. 3. Any help would be appreciated. Regards Shaike Raz EMC Laboratory Manager EMC Laboratory ITL (Product Testing) Ltd. Kfar Bin

Comb Filter

Hello All, Thanks to everyone who answered regarding my question about comb filters. Regards Shaike Raz EMC Laboratory Manager EMC Laboratory ITL (Product Testing) Ltd. Kfar Bin Nun Israel Tel: +972-8-9797799 Fax: +972-8-9797702 Email: s...@itl.co.il http://www.itl.co.il

Comb Filter

Hello everyone, I am looking for a manufacturer of an active comb filter to notch out 50Hz+harmonics noise from bio-medical signals. Can anyone help. Regards Shaike Raz EMC Laboratory Manager EMC Laboratory ITL (Product Testing) Ltd. Kfar Bin Nun Israel Tel: +972-8-9797799 Fax:

FW: RTTE Directive, Radio EIRP Test- Clarification

Dear All, I will appreciate your opinions concerning the following: 1. RTTE Radio standards include for products having an integral antenna, a radiated power/ spurious test (EIRP), based on the substitution antenna method. 2. The final test result is: signal

FW: Use of Voltage Probe

Dear all, According to Section 4.1.3 Voltage probes of ANSI C63.4, A voltage probe may be used for radio-noise voltage measurements when measurements are made at a user's installation (see 5.6) or when the ac current level exceeds the current-carrying capability of commercially available

Use of Voltage Probe

Dear all, According to Section 4.1.3 Voltage probes of ANSI C63.4, A voltage probe may be used for radio-noise voltage measurements when measurements are made at a user's installation (see 5.6) or when the ac current level exceeds the current-carrying capability of commercially available LISNs.

RTTE Directive, Radio EIRP Test- Clarification

Dear All, I will appreciate your opinions concerning the following: 1. RTTE Radio standards include for products having an integral antenna, a radiated power/ spurious test (EIRP), based on the substitution antenna method. 2. The final test result is: signal

Freqency Allocation in UK

Dear All, Does anyone know if the frequency range of 418MHz can be used for Short Range Devices in the UK? Thanks to anyone who can help. David Shidlowsky Technical Writer EMC Laboratory ITL (Product Testing) Ltd. Kfar Bin Nun Israel Tel: +972-8-9797799 Fax: +972-8-9797702 Email:

EN 60601-1-2/ EN 55022: 1998

this e-mail message in error, please return by forwarding the message and its attachments to the sender. -Original Message- From: ITL-EMC User Group Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 7:50 AM To: Emc-Pstc Group (E-mail) Subject: EN 60601-1-2/ EN 55022: 1998 Dear

EN 60601-1-2/ EN 55022: 1998

Dear All, I have read in various places that the new edition of IEC/EN 60601-1-2 is in effect (FDA in the US). As yet, only EN 60601-1-2: 1993 is listed in the OJ (December 2002). Does anyone know when the new edition will be listed in the OJ and thus become official? Regarding EN 55022: 1998 +

EN 60601-1-2

Hi all, Has anyone heard when the latest edition of EN 60601-1-2 will be published in the Official Journal? I have received enquiries from customers regarding the new edition. Thanks to anyone who can help. Regards David Shidlowsky Technical Writer EMC Laboratory ITL (Product Testing) Ltd. Kfar