Re: [PSES] CE Marking of Power Cables
Yes, but be careful! The provided it was outside the scope of RoHS 1 bit is the key. That determination has to be made correctly - if it was wrongly considered outside RoHS 1 scope (and quite a lot has been evaluated wrongly), then there isn't the transition period, and it's 2013. John C. _ From: Knudsen, Patricia [mailto:patricia.knud...@teradata.com] Sent: 22 August 2012 23:06 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Marking of Power Cables Cables have a transition period for compliance to RoHS recast until July 2019, per article 2.2: 2. Without prejudice to Article 4(3) and 4(4), Member States shall provide that EEE that was outside the scope of Directive 2002/95/EC, but which would not comply with this Directive, may nevertheless continue to be made available on the market until 22 July 2019. The U.S. Department of Commerce has a pretty decent FAQ for RoHS Recast: http://www.ita.doc.gov/td/standards/Markets/Western%20Europe/European%20Unio n/Webpage%20RoHS%20II%20FAQ%20final.pdf Patty Knudsen Product Safety Engineering 17095 Via del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 858-485-3748 Teradata Labs patricia.knud...@teradata.com mailto:patricia.knud...@teradata.com%0b http://www.teradata.com/ teradata.com The information contained in this message is private and confidential, is the property of Teradata Corporation, and is solely for the use of its intended recipient. If you are not the person to whom this e-mail is addressed, or if it has been sent to you in error, please notify the sender immediately. If you are not the intended recipient, please note that permission to use, copy, disclose, alter or distribute this message, and any attachments, is expressly denied. Please consider the environment before printing. From: Monrad Monsen [mailto:monrad.mon...@oracle.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 4:50 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] CE Marking of Power Cables Must power cables imported and sold in Europe have a CE mark and manufacturer's name address starting 3 January 2013 in accordance with the recast RoHS Directive 2011/65/EU? Similarly, must the power cable have its own declaration of conformity (DOC)? It appears that AC power cables shipped in separate boxes would meet the definition of EEE in article 3 definition (1) as the AC power cable is equipment for the ... transfer ... of such currents and fields and designed for use with a voltage rating not exceeding 1 000 volts for alternating current. For companies that sell worldwide, many ship the power cables alone in their own boxes separate from the system products since their products are sold worldwide and the correct power cable must be selected for each order as applicable for each customer's country. Usually, the power cable is imported in the same shipment as the system, but there are other times when the power cable is imported alone either to replace a damaged power cable (field replacement unit) or sold to support moving a product already in Europe to change plug types (different plugs used for moves to other countries within Europe or to different power distribution units). Hence, it would appear that power cables would need to comply with the European rules individually for compliance instead of depending on the system product (like a server) for the CE marking. As a result, it appears that power cables will now require a CE mark, be labeled with the manufacturer's name address, and have its own DOC by 3 January 2013. Note: All opinions given in this e-mail are purely my own and do not necessarily reflect the positions of any company I work for. Thanks. Monrad Monsen +1.303.272.9612 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online
Re: [PSES] CE Marking of Power Cables
Hmmm. I’ve taken a RoHS seminar and have done some research on the net that has led me to believe that individual cables (although compliant with the requirements) don’t need to be CE marked until 2019. http://www.digitaleurope.org/Portals/0/Documents/DIGITALEUROPE%20Input%20RoHS%202%20FAQ%2020110930.pdf “Option B (fallback) Cables ready for enduse (cordsets with plugs on each end) placed on the market as separate products are defined by Article 3(5) “cables means all cables with a rated voltage of less than 250 volts that serve as a connection or an extension to connect EEE to the electrical outlet or to connect two or more EEE to each other”. The Commission interprets Article 2(2) as meaning that electrical and electronic equipment which was outside the scope of Directive 2002/95/EC, but which would be covered by the new Directive, does not need to comply with the requirements of this Directive during a transitional period of eight years. EEE which was outside the scope of Directive 2002/95/EC, but which would be covered by the new Directive, includes among others EEE, cables mentioned in Article 4 and the related definition in Article 3(5). Cables (as defined in Article 3(5)) fall under Category 11, and the substance restrictions and the DoC/CE marking requirements therefore apply from 22nd July 2019 (8 years after entry into force).” My cable vendors are also in line with this interpretation. Does anyone know if there has been an “official” interpretation of this? It seems to me there might be a lot of cables stuck in customs come January if they are looking for a CE mark and DoC. Patty Knudsen Product Safety Engineering 17095 Via del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 858-485-3748 Teradata Labs patricia.knud...@teradata.com mailto:patricia.knud...@teradata.com%0bteradata.comhttp://www.teradata.com/ Facebookhttps://www.facebook.com/Teradata The information contained in this message is private and confidential, is the property of Teradata Corporation, and is solely for the use of its intended recipient. If you are not the person to whom this e-mail is addressed, or if it has been sent to you in error, please notify the sender immediately. If you are not the intended recipient, please note that permission to use, copy, disclose, alter or distribute this message, and any attachments, is expressly denied. Please consider the environment before printing. From: Monrad Monsen [mailto:monrad.mon...@oracle.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 5:32 PM To: Knudsen, Patricia Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Marking of Power Cables Patricia, Great comment! However, I notice that RoHS 1 (Directive 2002/95/EC) does state in article 3 (definitions) paragraph (a) that 'EEE' means ... equipment for the ... transfer ... of such currents and fields ... and designed for use with a voltage rating not exceeding 1000 volts for alternating current and 1500 volts for direct current. Therefore, it appears that power cables and electrical communications cables were in scope for RoHS 1, but RoHS 1 was not a CE marking directive and did not require DOCs. Instead, RoHS 1 only required that the cables comply with not using the hazardous substances in homogenous materials in excess of the limits. The problem is that RoHS 2 now requires CE marking, manufacturer name address, and a DOC. As a result, the due date seems to be 3 January 2013. (Article 26) My understanding is that optical fibre cables would be out-of-scope (exempt). Note: All opinions given in this e-mail are purely my own and do not necessarily reflect the positions of any company I work for. Monrad On 8/22/2012 4:06 PM, Knudsen, Patricia wrote: Cables have a transition period for compliance to RoHS recast until July 2019, per article 2.2: “2. Without prejudice to Article 4(3) and 4(4), Member States shall provide that EEE that was outside the scope of Directive 2002/95/EC, but which would not comply with this Directive, may nevertheless continue to be made available on the market until 22 July 2019.” The U.S. Department of Commerce has a pretty decent FAQ for RoHS Recast: http://www.ita.doc.gov/td/standards/Markets/Western%20Europe/European%20Union/Webpage%20RoHS%20II%20FAQ%20final.pdf Patty Knudsen Product Safety Engineering 17095 Via del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 858-485-3748 Teradata Labs patricia.knud...@teradata.com mailto:patricia.knud...@teradata.com%0bteradata.comhttp://www.teradata.com/ The information contained in this message is private and confidential, is the property of Teradata Corporation, and is solely for the use of its intended recipient. If you are not the person to whom this e-mail is addressed, or if it has been sent to you in error, please notify the sender immediately. If you are not the intended recipient, please note that permission to use, copy, disclose, alter or distribute this message, and any attachments, is expressly denied. Please consider
Re: [PSES] CE Marking of Power Cables
One effect of RoHS 2 is to bring some items into the CE marking regime for the first time. The requirements include the application of the CE mark, a Declaration of Conformity, and a Technical File. There are further markings required for traceability. The most obvious case is battery powered items below the LVD threshold, and to which EMC does not apply - things like hand held torches/lanterns (a torch means something different in the US IIRC?) Some cables supplied on their own may already be within LVD scope, but if they aren't, but are electrical, then yes, CE marking for the first time. It would be reasonable to continue to exclude fibre optic, but a connector with mixed fibre and electrical elements would all have to comply. However, if they always go on to become part of something larger which is outside RoHS 2 scope, e.g. road-going vehicles and fixed installations, then they aren't within scope. John C _ From: IBM Ken [mailto:ibm...@gmail.com] Sent: 22 August 2012 04:34 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Marking of Power Cables Would this be for molded power cords only, or does it include assembled power cords, for Pluggable type B equipment, for example, made up of discrete connectors typically attached to cord via screw terminals and strain relief glands? -Ken On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Monrad Monsen monrad.mon...@oracle.com wrote: Must power cables imported and sold in Europe have a CE mark and manufacturer's name address starting 3 January 2013 in accordance with the recast RoHS Directive 2011/65/EU? Similarly, must the power cable have its own declaration of conformity (DOC)? It appears that AC power cables shipped in separate boxes would meet the definition of EEE in article 3 definition (1) as the AC power cable is equipment for the ... transfer ... of such currents and fields and designed for use with a voltage rating not exceeding 1 000 volts for alternating current. For companies that sell worldwide, many ship the power cables alone in their own boxes separate from the system products since their products are sold worldwide and the correct power cable must be selected for each order as applicable for each customer's country. Usually, the power cable is imported in the same shipment as the system, but there are other times when the power cable is imported alone either to replace a damaged power cable (field replacement unit) or sold to support moving a product already in Europe to change plug types (different plugs used for moves to other countries within Europe or to different power distribution units). Hence, it would appear that power cables would need to comply with the European rules individually for compliance instead of depending on the system product (like a server) for the CE marking. As a result, it appears that power cables will now require a CE mark, be labeled with the manufacturer's name address, and have its own DOC by 3 January 2013. Note: All opinions given in this e-mail are purely my own and do not necessarily reflect the positions of any company I work for. Thanks. Monrad Monsen +1.303.272.9612 tel:%2B1.303.272.9612 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to LT;emc-p...@ieee.orgGT; All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas LT;emcp...@radiusnorth.netGT; Mike Cantwell LT;mcantw...@ieee.orgGT; For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher LT;j.bac...@ieee.orgGT; David Heald LT;dhe...@gmail.comGT; - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] CE Marking of Power Cables
Related to this topic, the draft RoHS2 FAQ attempts to address the issue of cables and has, in my opinion, some room for improvement. Ref http://ec.europa.eu/environment/waste/rohs_eee/events_rohs3_en.htm Consultation is open until Sept 14th. Regards, Lauren Crane KLA-Tencor From: John Cotman [mailto:john.cot...@conformance.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 3:28 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Marking of Power Cables One effect of RoHS 2 is to bring some items into the CE marking regime for the first time. The requirements include the application of the CE mark, a Declaration of Conformity, and a Technical File. There are further markings required for traceability. The most obvious case is battery powered items below the LVD threshold, and to which EMC does not apply - things like hand held torches/lanterns (a torch means something different in the US IIRC?) Some cables supplied on their own may already be within LVD scope, but if they aren't, but are electrical, then yes, CE marking for the first time. It would be reasonable to continue to exclude fibre optic, but a connector with mixed fibre and electrical elements would all have to comply. However, if they always go on to become part of something larger which is outside RoHS 2 scope, e.g. road-going vehicles and fixed installations, then they aren't within scope. John C From: IBM Ken [mailto:ibm...@gmail.com] Sent: 22 August 2012 04:34 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Marking of Power Cables Would this be for molded power cords only, or does it include assembled power cords, for Pluggable type B equipment, for example, made up of discrete connectors typically attached to cord via screw terminals and strain relief glands? -Ken On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Monrad Monsen monrad.mon...@oracle.com wrote: Must power cables imported and sold in Europe have a CE mark and manufacturer's name address starting 3 January 2013 in accordance with the recast RoHS Directive 2011/65/EU? Similarly, must the power cable have its own declaration of conformity (DOC)? It appears that AC power cables shipped in separate boxes would meet the definition of EEE in article 3 definition (1) as the AC power cable is equipment for the ... transfer ... of such currents and fields and designed for use with a voltage rating not exceeding 1 000 volts for alternating current. For companies that sell worldwide, many ship the power cables alone in their own boxes separate from the system products since their products are sold worldwide and the correct power cable must be selected for each order as applicable for each customer's country. Usually, the power cable is imported in the same shipment as the system, but there are other times when the power cable is imported alone either to replace a damaged power cable (field replacement unit) or sold to support moving a product already in Europe to change plug types (different plugs used for moves to other countries within Europe or to different power distribution units). Hence, it would appear that power cables would need to comply with the European rules individually for compliance instead of depending on the system product (like a server) for the CE marking. As a result, it appears that power cables will now require a CE mark, be labeled with the manufacturer's name address, and have its own DOC by 3 January 2013. Note: All opinions given in this e-mail are purely my own and do not necessarily reflect the positions of any company I work for. Thanks. Monrad Monsen +1.303.272.9612 tel:%2B1.303.272.9612 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to LT;emc-p...@ieee.orgGT; All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas LT;emcp...@radiusnorth.netGT; Mike Cantwell LT;mcantw...@ieee.orgGT; For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher LT;j.bac...@ieee.orgGT; David Heald LT;dhe...@gmail.comGT; - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online
Re: [PSES] CE Marking of Power Cables
Other than power cables, wouldn't the RoHS directive and CE marking also apply to over the counter purchased I/O cables such as USB, HDMI, Ethernet, etc.?? Maybe such cables are already CE marked for the EMC Directive. I've never paid attention to it in the past. The Other Brian From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Crane, Lauren Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 11:07 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] CE Marking of Power Cables Related to this topic, the draft RoHS2 FAQ attempts to address the issue of cables and has, in my opinion, some room for improvement. Ref http://ec.europa.eu/environment/waste/rohs_eee/events_rohs3_en.htm Consultation is open until Sept 14th. Regards, Lauren Crane KLA-Tencor From: John Cotman [mailto:john.cot...@conformance.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 3:28 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGmailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Marking of Power Cables One effect of RoHS 2 is to bring some items into the CE marking regime for the first time. The requirements include the application of the CE mark, a Declaration of Conformity, and a Technical File. There are further markings required for traceability. The most obvious case is battery powered items below the LVD threshold, and to which EMC does not apply - things like hand held torches/lanterns (a torch means something different in the US IIRC?) Some cables supplied on their own may already be within LVD scope, but if they aren't, but are electrical, then yes, CE marking for the first time. It would be reasonable to continue to exclude fibre optic, but a connector with mixed fibre and electrical elements would all have to comply. However, if they always go on to become part of something larger which is outside RoHS 2 scope, e.g. road-going vehicles and fixed installations, then they aren't within scope. John C From: IBM Ken [mailto:ibm...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:ibm...@gmail.com] Sent: 22 August 2012 04:34 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGmailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Marking of Power Cables Would this be for molded power cords only, or does it include assembled power cords, for Pluggable type B equipment, for example, made up of discrete connectors typically attached to cord via screw terminals and strain relief glands? -Ken On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Monrad Monsen monrad.mon...@oracle.commailto:monrad.mon...@oracle.com wrote: Must power cables imported and sold in Europe have a CE mark and manufacturer's name address starting 3 January 2013 in accordance with the recast RoHS Directive 2011/65/EU? Similarly, must the power cable have its own declaration of conformity (DOC)? It appears that AC power cables shipped in separate boxes would meet the definition of EEE in article 3 definition (1) as the AC power cable is equipment for the ... transfer ... of such currents and fields and designed for use with a voltage rating not exceeding 1 000 volts for alternating current. For companies that sell worldwide, many ship the power cables alone in their own boxes separate from the system products since their products are sold worldwide and the correct power cable must be selected for each order as applicable for each customer's country. Usually, the power cable is imported in the same shipment as the system, but there are other times when the power cable is imported alone either to replace a damaged power cable (field replacement unit) or sold to support moving a product already in Europe to change plug types (different plugs used for moves to other countries within Europe or to different power distribution units). Hence, it would appear that power cables would need to comply with the European rules individually for compliance instead of depending on the system product (like a server) for the CE marking. As a result, it appears that power cables will now require a CE mark, be labeled with the manufacturer's name address, and have its own DOC by 3 January 2013. Note: All opinions given in this e-mail are purely my own and do not necessarily reflect the positions of any company I work for. Thanks. Monrad Monsen +1.303.272.9612tel:%2B1.303.272.9612 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to LT;emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.orgGT; All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html
Re: [PSES] CE Marking of Power Cables
I think so. Some of those cable types are mentioned in the proposed FAQ. Regards, Lauren Crane KLA-Tencor From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 10:19 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Marking of Power Cables Other than power cables, wouldn't the RoHS directive and CE marking also apply to over the counter purchased I/O cables such as USB, HDMI, Ethernet, etc.?? Maybe such cables are already CE marked for the EMC Directive. I've never paid attention to it in the past. The Other Brian From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Crane, Lauren Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 11:07 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] CE Marking of Power Cables Related to this topic, the draft RoHS2 FAQ attempts to address the issue of cables and has, in my opinion, some room for improvement. Ref http://ec.europa.eu/environment/waste/rohs_eee/events_rohs3_en.htm Consultation is open until Sept 14th. Regards, Lauren Crane KLA-Tencor From: John Cotman [mailto:john.cot...@conformance.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 3:28 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Marking of Power Cables One effect of RoHS 2 is to bring some items into the CE marking regime for the first time. The requirements include the application of the CE mark, a Declaration of Conformity, and a Technical File. There are further markings required for traceability. The most obvious case is battery powered items below the LVD threshold, and to which EMC does not apply - things like hand held torches/lanterns (a torch means something different in the US IIRC?) Some cables supplied on their own may already be within LVD scope, but if they aren't, but are electrical, then yes, CE marking for the first time. It would be reasonable to continue to exclude fibre optic, but a connector with mixed fibre and electrical elements would all have to comply. However, if they always go on to become part of something larger which is outside RoHS 2 scope, e.g. road-going vehicles and fixed installations, then they aren't within scope. John C From: IBM Ken [mailto:ibm...@gmail.com] Sent: 22 August 2012 04:34 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Marking of Power Cables Would this be for molded power cords only, or does it include assembled power cords, for Pluggable type B equipment, for example, made up of discrete connectors typically attached to cord via screw terminals and strain relief glands? -Ken On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Monrad Monsen monrad.mon...@oracle.com wrote: Must power cables imported and sold in Europe have a CE mark and manufacturer's name address starting 3 January 2013 in accordance with the recast RoHS Directive 2011/65/EU? Similarly, must the power cable have its own declaration of conformity (DOC)? It appears that AC power cables shipped in separate boxes would meet the definition of EEE in article 3 definition (1) as the AC power cable is equipment for the ... transfer ... of such currents and fields and designed for use with a voltage rating not exceeding 1 000 volts for alternating current. For companies that sell worldwide, many ship the power cables alone in their own boxes separate from the system products since their products are sold worldwide and the correct power cable must be selected for each order as applicable for each customer's country. Usually, the power cable is imported in the same shipment as the system, but there are other times when the power cable is imported alone either to replace a damaged power cable (field replacement unit) or sold to support moving a product already in Europe to change plug types (different plugs used for moves to other countries within Europe or to different power distribution units). Hence, it would appear that power cables would need to comply with the European rules individually for compliance instead of depending on the system product (like a server) for the CE marking. As a result, it appears that power cables will now require a CE mark, be labeled with the manufacturer's name address, and have its own DOC by 3 January 2013. Note: All opinions given in this e-mail are purely my own and do not necessarily reflect the positions of any company I work for. Thanks. Monrad Monsen +1.303.272.9612 tel:%2B1.303.272.9612 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to LT;emc-p...@ieee.orgGT; All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc
Re: [PSES] CE Marking of Power Cables
Most cables, if they are just wires without active components, wouldn't be within EMC Directive scope. ROHS 1 would normally apply, but that's not CE marking. John C _ From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] Sent: 22 August 2012 16:19 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Marking of Power Cables Other than power cables, wouldn't the RoHS directive and CE marking also apply to over the counter purchased I/O cables such as USB, HDMI, Ethernet, etc.?? Maybe such cables are already CE marked for the EMC Directive. I've never paid attention to it in the past. The Other Brian From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Crane, Lauren Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 11:07 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] CE Marking of Power Cables Related to this topic, the draft RoHS2 FAQ attempts to address the issue of cables and has, in my opinion, some room for improvement. Ref http://ec.europa.eu/environment/waste/rohs_eee/events_rohs3_en.htm Consultation is open until Sept 14th. Regards, Lauren Crane KLA-Tencor From: John Cotman [mailto:john.cot...@conformance.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 3:28 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Marking of Power Cables One effect of RoHS 2 is to bring some items into the CE marking regime for the first time. The requirements include the application of the CE mark, a Declaration of Conformity, and a Technical File. There are further markings required for traceability. The most obvious case is battery powered items below the LVD threshold, and to which EMC does not apply - things like hand held torches/lanterns (a torch means something different in the US IIRC?) Some cables supplied on their own may already be within LVD scope, but if they aren't, but are electrical, then yes, CE marking for the first time. It would be reasonable to continue to exclude fibre optic, but a connector with mixed fibre and electrical elements would all have to comply. However, if they always go on to become part of something larger which is outside RoHS 2 scope, e.g. road-going vehicles and fixed installations, then they aren't within scope. John C _ From: IBM Ken [mailto:ibm...@gmail.com] mailto:%5bmailto:ibm...@gmail.com%5d Sent: 22 August 2012 04:34 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Marking of Power Cables Would this be for molded power cords only, or does it include assembled power cords, for Pluggable type B equipment, for example, made up of discrete connectors typically attached to cord via screw terminals and strain relief glands? -Ken On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Monrad Monsen monrad.mon...@oracle.com wrote: Must power cables imported and sold in Europe have a CE mark and manufacturer's name address starting 3 January 2013 in accordance with the recast RoHS Directive 2011/65/EU? Similarly, must the power cable have its own declaration of conformity (DOC)? It appears that AC power cables shipped in separate boxes would meet the definition of EEE in article 3 definition (1) as the AC power cable is equipment for the ... transfer ... of such currents and fields and designed for use with a voltage rating not exceeding 1 000 volts for alternating current. For companies that sell worldwide, many ship the power cables alone in their own boxes separate from the system products since their products are sold worldwide and the correct power cable must be selected for each order as applicable for each customer's country. Usually, the power cable is imported in the same shipment as the system, but there are other times when the power cable is imported alone either to replace a damaged power cable (field replacement unit) or sold to support moving a product already in Europe to change plug types (different plugs used for moves to other countries within Europe or to different power distribution units). Hence, it would appear that power cables would need to comply with the European rules individually for compliance instead of depending on the system product (like a server) for the CE marking. As a result, it appears that power cables will now require a CE mark, be labeled with the manufacturer's name address, and have its own DOC by 3 January 2013. Note: All opinions given in this e-mail are purely my own and do not necessarily reflect the positions of any company I work for. Thanks. Monrad Monsen +1.303.272.9612 tel:%2B1.303.272.9612 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to LT;emc-p...@ieee.orgGT; All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org
Re: [PSES] CE Marking of Power Cables
Ken, What are the differences between rewirable plugs non-wirable plugs in terms of CE mark? Scott On 22/8/12 11:33 AM, IBM Ken ibm...@gmail.com wrote: Would this be for molded power cords only, or does it include assembled power cords, for Pluggable type B equipment, for example, made up of discrete connectors typically attached to cord via screw terminals and strain relief glands? -Ken On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Monrad Monsen monrad.mon...@oracle.com wrote: Must power cables imported and sold in Europe have a CE mark and manufacturer's name address starting 3 January 2013 in accordance with the recast RoHS Directive 2011/65/EU? Similarly, must the power cable have its own declaration of conformity (DOC)? It appears that AC power cables shipped in separate boxes would meet the definition of EEE in article 3 definition (1) as the AC power cable is equipment for the ... transfer ... of such currents and fields and designed for use with a voltage rating not exceeding 1 000 volts for alternating current. For companies that sell worldwide, many ship the power cables alone in their own boxes separate from the system products since their products are sold worldwide and the correct power cable must be selected for each order as applicable for each customer's country. Usually, the power cable is imported in the same shipment as the system, but there are other times when the power cable is imported alone either to replace a damaged power cable (field replacement unit) or sold to support moving a product already in Europe to change plug types (different plugs used for moves to other countries within Europe or to different power distribution units). Hence, it would appear that power cables would need to comply with the European rules individually for compliance instead of depending on the system product (like a server) for the CE marking. As a result, it appears that power cables will now require a CE mark, be labeled with the manufacturer's name address, and have its own DOC by 3 January 2013. Note: All opinions given in this e-mail are purely my own and do not necessarily reflect the positions of any company I work for. Thanks. Monrad Monsen +1.303.272.9612 tel:%2B1.303.272.9612 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to LT;emc-p...@ieee.orgGT; All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas LT;emcp...@radiusnorth.netGT; Mike Cantwell LT;mcantw...@ieee.orgGT; For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher LT;j.bac...@ieee.orgGT; David Heald LT;dhe...@gmail.comGT; - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher:
Re: [PSES] CE Marking of Power Cables
Hi Scott; I am not suggesting there are any differences in terms of the CE mark...I was hoping to hear that only molded plugs were affected (or that rewireable plugs were exempt) :-) After seeing the rest of the replies, I realize that I had heard about this in the past, in regards to RoHS. I had misunderstood the original poster; I assumed he was asking about CE marking related to an electrical product Standard (60950 in my case) but it is 'just' for environmental reasons, so I am not all that concerned... -Ken On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Scott Xe scott...@gmail.com wrote: Ken, What are the differences between rewirable plugs non-wirable plugs in terms of CE mark? Scott On 22/8/12 11:33 AM, IBM Ken ibm...@gmail.com wrote: Would this be for molded power cords only, or does it include assembled power cords, for Pluggable type B equipment, for example, made up of discrete connectors typically attached to cord via screw terminals and strain relief glands? -Ken On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Monrad Monsen monrad.mon...@oracle.com wrote: Must power cables imported and sold in Europe have a CE mark and manufacturer's name address starting 3 January 2013 in accordance with the recast RoHS Directive 2011/65/EU? Similarly, must the power cable have its own declaration of conformity (DOC)? It appears that AC power cables shipped in separate boxes would meet the definition of EEE in article 3 definition (1) as the AC power cable is *equipment for the ... transfer ... of such currents and fields and designed for use with a voltage rating not exceeding 1 000 volts for alternating current*. For companies that sell worldwide, many ship the power cables alone in their own boxes separate from the system products since their products are sold worldwide and the correct power cable must be selected for each order as applicable for each customer's country. Usually, the power cable is imported in the same shipment as the system, but there are other times when the power cable is imported alone either to replace a damaged power cable (field replacement unit) or sold to support moving a product already in Europe to change plug types (different plugs used for moves to other countries within Europe or to different power distribution units). Hence, it would appear that power cables would need to comply with the European rules individually for compliance instead of depending on the system product (like a server) for the CE marking. As a result, it appears that power cables will now require a CE mark, be labeled with the manufacturer's name address, and have its own DOC by 3 January 2013. Note: All opinions given in this e-mail are purely my own and do not necessarily reflect the positions of any company I work for. Thanks. Monrad Monsen +1.303.272.9612 tel:%2B1.303.272.9612 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to LT; emc-p...@ieee.orgGT; All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas LT;emcp...@radiusnorth.netGT; Mike Cantwell LT;mcantw...@ieee.orgGT; For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher LT;j.bac...@ieee.orgGT; David Heald LT;dhe...@gmail.comGT; - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and
Re: [PSES] CE Marking of Power Cables
Cables have a transition period for compliance to RoHS recast until July 2019, per article 2.2: “2. Without prejudice to Article 4(3) and 4(4), Member States shall provide that EEE that was outside the scope of Directive 2002/95/EC, but which would not comply with this Directive, may nevertheless continue to be made available on the market until 22 July 2019.” The U.S. Department of Commerce has a pretty decent FAQ for RoHS Recast: http://www.ita.doc.gov/td/standards/Markets/Western%20Europe/European%20Union/Webpage%20RoHS%20II%20FAQ%20final.pdf Patty Knudsen Product Safety Engineering 17095 Via del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 858-485-3748 Teradata Labs patricia.knud...@teradata.com mailto:patricia.knud...@teradata.com%0bteradata.comhttp://www.teradata.com/ The information contained in this message is private and confidential, is the property of Teradata Corporation, and is solely for the use of its intended recipient. If you are not the person to whom this e-mail is addressed, or if it has been sent to you in error, please notify the sender immediately. If you are not the intended recipient, please note that permission to use, copy, disclose, alter or distribute this message, and any attachments, is expressly denied. Please consider the environment before printing. From: Monrad Monsen [mailto:monrad.mon...@oracle.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 4:50 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] CE Marking of Power Cables Must power cables imported and sold in Europe have a CE mark and manufacturer's name address starting 3 January 2013 in accordance with the recast RoHS Directive 2011/65/EU? Similarly, must the power cable have its own declaration of conformity (DOC)? It appears that AC power cables shipped in separate boxes would meet the definition of EEE in article 3 definition (1) as the AC power cable is equipment for the ... transfer ... of such currents and fields and designed for use with a voltage rating not exceeding 1 000 volts for alternating current. For companies that sell worldwide, many ship the power cables alone in their own boxes separate from the system products since their products are sold worldwide and the correct power cable must be selected for each order as applicable for each customer's country. Usually, the power cable is imported in the same shipment as the system, but there are other times when the power cable is imported alone either to replace a damaged power cable (field replacement unit) or sold to support moving a product already in Europe to change plug types (different plugs used for moves to other countries within Europe or to different power distribution units). Hence, it would appear that power cables would need to comply with the European rules individually for compliance instead of depending on the system product (like a server) for the CE marking. As a result, it appears that power cables will now require a CE mark, be labeled with the manufacturer's name address, and have its own DOC by 3 January 2013. Note: All opinions given in this e-mail are purely my own and do not necessarily reflect the positions of any company I work for. Thanks. Monrad Monsen +1.303.272.9612 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp
Re: [PSES] CE Marking of Power Cables
Patricia, Great comment! However, I notice that RoHS 1 (Directive 2002/95/EC) does state in article 3 (definitions) paragraph (a) that 'EEE' means ... equipment for the ... transfer ... of such currents and fields ... and designed for use with a voltage rating not exceeding 1000 volts for alternating current and 1500 volts for direct current. Therefore, it appears that power cables and electrical communications cables were in scope for RoHS 1, but RoHS 1 was not a CE marking directive and did not require DOCs. Instead, RoHS 1 only required that the cables comply with not using the hazardous substances in homogenous materials in excess of the limits. The problem is that RoHS 2 now requires CE marking, manufacturer name address, and a DOC. As a result, the due date seems to be 3 January 2013. (Article 26) My understanding is that optical fibre cables would be out-of-scope (exempt). Note: All opinions given in this e-mail are purely my own and do not necessarily reflect the positions of any company I work for. Monrad On 8/22/2012 4:06 PM, Knudsen, Patricia wrote: Cables have a transition period for compliance to RoHS recast until July 2019, per article 2.2: “2. Without prejudice to Article 4(3) and 4(4), Member States shall provide that EEE that was outside the scope of Directive 2002/95/EC, but which would not comply with this Directive, may nevertheless continue to be made available on the market until 22 July 2019.” The U.S. Department of Commerce has a pretty decent FAQ for RoHS Recast: http://www.ita.doc.gov/td/standards/Markets/Western%20Europe/European%20Union/Webpage%20RoHS%20II%20FAQ%20final.pdf Patty Knudsen Product Safety Engineering 17095 Via del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 858-485-3748 Teradata Labs patricia.knud...@teradata.com mailto:patricia.knud...@teradata.com%0bteradata.com http://www.teradata.com/ The information contained in this message is private and confidential, is the property of Teradata Corporation, and is solely for the use of its intended recipient. If you are not the person to whom this e-mail is addressed, or if it has been sent to you in error, please notify the sender immediately. If you are not the intended recipient, please note that permission to use, copy, disclose, alter or distribute this message, and any attachments, is expressly denied. Please consider the environment before printing. *From:*Monrad Monsen [mailto:monrad.mon...@oracle.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 21, 2012 4:50 PM *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG *Subject:* [PSES] CE Marking of Power Cables Must power cables imported and sold in Europe have a CE mark and manufacturer's name address starting 3 January 2013 in accordance with the recast RoHS Directive 2011/65/EU? Similarly, must the power cable have its own declaration of conformity (DOC)? It appears that AC power cables shipped in separate boxes would meet the definition of EEE in article 3 definition (1) as the AC power cable is /equipment for the ... transfer ... of such currents and fields and designed for use with a voltage rating not exceeding 1 000 volts for alternating current/. For companies that sell worldwide, many ship the power cables alone in their own boxes separate from the system products since their products are sold worldwide and the correct power cable must be selected for each order as applicable for each customer's country. Usually, the power cable is imported in the same shipment as the system, but there are other times when the power cable is imported alone either to replace a damaged power cable (field replacement unit) or sold to support moving a product already in Europe to change plug types (different plugs used for moves to other countries within Europe or to different power distribution units). Hence, it would appear that power cables would need to comply with the European rules individually for compliance instead of depending on the system product (like a server) for the CE marking. As a result, it appears that power cables will now require a CE mark, be labeled with the manufacturer's name address, and have its own DOC by 3 January 2013. Note: All opinions given in this e-mail are purely my own and do not necessarily reflect the positions of any company I work for. Thanks. Monrad Monsen +1.303.272.9612 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user
[PSES] CE Marking of Power Cables
Must power cables imported and sold in Europe have a CE mark and manufacturer's name address starting 3 January 2013 in accordance with the recast RoHS Directive 2011/65/EU? Similarly, must the power cable have its own declaration of conformity (DOC)? It appears that AC power cables shipped in separate boxes would meet the definition of EEE in article 3 definition (1) as the AC power cable is /equipment for the ... transfer ... of such currents and fields and designed for use with a voltage rating not exceeding 1 000 volts for alternating current/. For companies that sell worldwide, many ship the power cables alone in their own boxes separate from the system products since their products are sold worldwide and the correct power cable must be selected for each order as applicable for each customer's country. Usually, the power cable is imported in the same shipment as the system, but there are other times when the power cable is imported alone either to replace a damaged power cable (field replacement unit) or sold to support moving a product already in Europe to change plug types (different plugs used for moves to other countries within Europe or to different power distribution units). Hence, it would appear that power cables would need to comply with the European rules individually for compliance instead of depending on the system product (like a server) for the CE marking. As a result, it appears that power cables will now require a CE mark, be labeled with the manufacturer's name address, and have its own DOC by 3 January 2013. Note: All opinions given in this e-mail are purely my own and do not necessarily reflect the positions of any company I work for. Thanks. Monrad Monsen +1.303.272.9612 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] CE Marking of Power Cables
Would this be for molded power cords only, or does it include assembled power cords, for Pluggable type B equipment, for example, made up of discrete connectors typically attached to cord via screw terminals and strain relief glands? -Ken On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Monrad Monsen monrad.mon...@oracle.comwrote: Must power cables imported and sold in Europe have a CE mark and manufacturer's name address starting 3 January 2013 in accordance with the recast RoHS Directive 2011/65/EU? Similarly, must the power cable have its own declaration of conformity (DOC)? It appears that AC power cables shipped in separate boxes would meet the definition of EEE in article 3 definition (1) as the AC power cable is *equipment for the ... transfer ... of such currents and fields and designed for use with a voltage rating not exceeding 1 000 volts for alternating current*. For companies that sell worldwide, many ship the power cables alone in their own boxes separate from the system products since their products are sold worldwide and the correct power cable must be selected for each order as applicable for each customer's country. Usually, the power cable is imported in the same shipment as the system, but there are other times when the power cable is imported alone either to replace a damaged power cable (field replacement unit) or sold to support moving a product already in Europe to change plug types (different plugs used for moves to other countries within Europe or to different power distribution units). Hence, it would appear that power cables would need to comply with the European rules individually for compliance instead of depending on the system product (like a server) for the CE marking. As a result, it appears that power cables will now require a CE mark, be labeled with the manufacturer's name address, and have its own DOC by 3 January 2013. Note: All opinions given in this e-mail are purely my own and do not necessarily reflect the positions of any company I work for. Thanks. Monrad Monsen +1.303.272.9612 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to LT; emc-p...@ieee.orgGT; All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas LT;emcp...@radiusnorth.netGT; Mike Cantwell LT;mcantw...@ieee.orgGT; For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher LT;j.bac...@ieee.orgGT; David Heald LT;dhe...@gmail.comGT; - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] CE Marking of Power Cables
Is it only for AC power cable? Thanks and Regards Mathan From: IBM Ken [mailto:ibm...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 9:04 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Marking of Power Cables Would this be for molded power cords only, or does it include assembled power cords, for Pluggable type B equipment, for example, made up of discrete connectors typically attached to cord via screw terminals and strain relief glands? -Ken On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Monrad Monsen monrad.mon...@oracle.commailto:monrad.mon...@oracle.com wrote: Must power cables imported and sold in Europe have a CE mark and manufacturer's name address starting 3 January 2013 in accordance with the recast RoHS Directive 2011/65/EU? Similarly, must the power cable have its own declaration of conformity (DOC)? It appears that AC power cables shipped in separate boxes would meet the definition of EEE in article 3 definition (1) as the AC power cable is equipment for the ... transfer ... of such currents and fields and designed for use with a voltage rating not exceeding 1 000 volts for alternating current. For companies that sell worldwide, many ship the power cables alone in their own boxes separate from the system products since their products are sold worldwide and the correct power cable must be selected for each order as applicable for each customer's country. Usually, the power cable is imported in the same shipment as the system, but there are other times when the power cable is imported alone either to replace a damaged power cable (field replacement unit) or sold to support moving a product already in Europe to change plug types (different plugs used for moves to other countries within Europe or to different power distribution units). Hence, it would appear that power cables would need to comply with the European rules individually for compliance instead of depending on the system product (like a server) for the CE marking. As a result, it appears that power cables will now require a CE mark, be labeled with the manufacturer's name address, and have its own DOC by 3 January 2013. Note: All opinions given in this e-mail are purely my own and do not necessarily reflect the positions of any company I work for. Thanks. Monrad Monsen +1.303.272.9612tel:%2B1.303.272.9612 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to LT;emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.orgGT; All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas LT;emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.netGT; Mike Cantwell LT;mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.orgGT; For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher LT;j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.orgGT; David Heald LT;dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.comGT; - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http
