Re: [PSES] DoC - reference to ROHS directive
In our experience purchasers/compliance officers in large retail organisations expect to explicitly see the RoHS amendment listed in the DoC text as per Mike writes below, because this ticks their box that the product has addressed the additional four substances the amendment was concerned with. They may also want it to say ‘RoHS 3’ in the DoC and supporting documentation (technical file) too. Hence a triumph of commercial requirements/persons with clipboards(!) to use colloquial terms and extra words over the actual obligation. I gave up arguing and just did what they wanted, path of least resistance and all that! Have had some other run ins with some retailers on some other things too that weren’t relevant to the product in question, but they wanted it declared none the less. I won that one though A story for my book for whenever I get to retirement age (probably never because the UK will be broke by then but I digress!) Matthew Wilson, GB Electronics (UK) Ltd. Matthew WilsonMIET Technical Director GB Electronics (UK) Ltd matthew.wil...@gbelectronics.com www.gbelectronics.com +44 (0) 1903 244 500 Ascot House|Mulberry Close|Woods Way Goring-by-Sea|West Sussex|BN12 4QY|UK Certificate Number 10455 ISO 9001, ISO 14001 Disclaimer: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way and notify the sender immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the company, unless specifically stated. GB Electronics (UK) Ltd is a company registered in England and Wales under number 06210991. Registered office: Ascot House Mulberry Close, Woods Way, Goring By Sea, West Sussex, BN12 4QY. From: Charlie Blackham Sent: Monday, April 22, 2024 7:26 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] DoC - reference to ROHS directive I wouldn’t say that it was “wrong” to add the amendment, though I don’t recommend adding it, but since the amendment applies whether you like it or not, you don’t need to declare that you have applied it as it’s inherent in a declaration to 2011/65/EU. The same goes for any exemptions you may have applied, or indeed have previously applied but have now expired. Best regards Charlie Charlie Blackham Sulis Consultants Ltd Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317 Web: https://sulisconsultants.com/ Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247 From: MIKE SHERMAN mailto:msherma...@comcast.net>> Sent: Monday, April 22, 2024 2:43 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] DoC - reference to ROHS directive What I've seen is language like "2011/65/EU RoHS directive with amendment 2015/863/EU" or "2011/65/EU RoHS directive as amended by 2015/863/EU" The 2015 amendment adds four substances to the original six, so you should mention both it and the 2011 directive. Mike Sherman Sherman PSC LLC On 04/21/2024 12:52 PM CDT Amund Westin mailto:am...@westin-emission.no>> wrote: I have the last 10+ years made reference to ROHS directive 2011/65/EU in the DoC. Now, I have been told to switch to 2015/863/EU? Is that correct? >From what I see on the EU web site, 2015/863 is a Commission Delegated >Directive, amending Annex II to Directive 2011/65/EU As I understand, 2011/65/EU is still in charge, and is the directive to be listed in the DoC. Comments? BR Amund This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/ Website: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/ Instructions: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)<https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html> List rules: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Mike Sherman at: msherma...@comcast.net<mailto:msherma...@comcast.net> Rick Linford at: linf...@ieee.org<mailto:linf...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher at: j.bac...@ieee.org<mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org> To unsubscribe from the EMC-PSTC list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC=1 This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: https://www.ma
Re: [PSES] DoC - reference to ROHS directive
I wouldn’t say that it was “wrong” to add the amendment, though I don’t recommend adding it, but since the amendment applies whether you like it or not, you don’t need to declare that you have applied it as it’s inherent in a declaration to 2011/65/EU. The same goes for any exemptions you may have applied, or indeed have previously applied but have now expired. Best regards Charlie Charlie Blackham Sulis Consultants Ltd Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317 Web: https://sulisconsultants.com/ Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247 From: MIKE SHERMAN Sent: Monday, April 22, 2024 2:43 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] DoC - reference to ROHS directive What I've seen is language like "2011/65/EU RoHS directive with amendment 2015/863/EU" or "2011/65/EU RoHS directive as amended by 2015/863/EU" The 2015 amendment adds four substances to the original six, so you should mention both it and the 2011 directive. Mike Sherman Sherman PSC LLC On 04/21/2024 12:52 PM CDT Amund Westin mailto:am...@westin-emission.no>> wrote: I have the last 10+ years made reference to ROHS directive 2011/65/EU in the DoC. Now, I have been told to switch to 2015/863/EU? Is that correct? From what I see on the EU web site, 2015/863 is a Commission Delegated Directive, amending Annex II to Directive 2011/65/EU As I understand, 2011/65/EU is still in charge, and is the directive to be listed in the DoC. Comments? BR Amund This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/ Website: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/ Instructions: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)<https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html> List rules: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Mike Sherman at: msherma...@comcast.net<mailto:msherma...@comcast.net> Rick Linford at: linf...@ieee.org<mailto:linf...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher at: j.bac...@ieee.org<mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org> To unsubscribe from the EMC-PSTC list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC=1 This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/<https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/%20> Website: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/ Instructions: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)<https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html> List rules: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Mike Sherman at: msherma...@comcast.net<mailto:msherma...@comcast.net> Rick Linford at: linf...@ieee.org<mailto:linf...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher at: j.bac...@ieee.org<mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org> To unsubscribe from the EMC-PSTC list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC=1 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/ Website: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/ Instructions: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Mike Sherman at: msherma...@comcast.net Rick Linford at: linf...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: _ To unsubscribe from the EMC-PSTC list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC=1
Re: [PSES] DoC - reference to ROHS directive
What I've seen is language like "2011/65/EU RoHS directive with amendment 2015/863/EU" or "2011/65/EU RoHS directive as amended by 2015/863/EU" The 2015 amendment adds four substances to the original six, so you should mention both it and the 2011 directive. Mike Sherman Sherman PSC LLC > On 04/21/2024 12:52 PM CDT Amund Westin wrote: > > > > I have the last 10+ years made reference to ROHS directive 2011/65/EU in the > DoC. > > Now, I have been told to switch to 2015/863/EU? Is that correct? > > > > From what I see on the EU web site, 2015/863 is a Commission Delegated > Directive, amending Annex II to Directive 2011/65/EU > > As I understand, 2011/65/EU is still in charge, and is the directive to be > listed in the DoC. > > > > Comments? > > > > BR Amund > > > > > > > - > > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc > discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to > EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/ > > > > Website: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/ https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/ > Instructions: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html (including how to > unsubscribe) https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html > List rules: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/listrules.html > > For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Mike Sherman at: msherma...@comcast.net mailto:msherma...@comcast.net > Rick Linford at: linf...@ieee.org mailto:linf...@ieee.org > > For policy questions, send mail to: > Jim Bacher at: j.bac...@ieee.org mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org > > > - > > To unsubscribe from the EMC-PSTC list, click the following link: > https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC=1 > - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/ Website: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/ Instructions: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Mike Sherman at: msherma...@comcast.net Rick Linford at: linf...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: _ To unsubscribe from the EMC-PSTC list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC=1
Re: [PSES] DoC - reference to ROHS directive
Agreed, if you look at https://environment.ec.europa.eu/topics/waste-and-recycling/rohs-directive_en you see there have been many Commission Delegated Directives of which 2015/863 is just one. And also, https://single-market-economy.ec.europa.eu/single-market/european-standards/harmonised-standards/restriction-use-certain-hazardous-substances-rohs_en cites only 2011/65/EU as the Directive for RoHS Best regards Charlie Charlie Blackham Sulis Consultants Ltd Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317 Web: https://sulisconsultants.com/ Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247 From: Tom Smith Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2024 7:39 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] DoC - reference to ROHS directive The proper directive reference remains 2011/65/EU. If you look at the current version of that directive, it incorporates all of the modification, so there is no need to separately reference the amending documents. Regards Tom Smith, P.Eng Principal Engineer TJS Technical Services Inc. Tel: +1 403-612-6664 Email: tsm...@tjstechnical.com<mailto:tsm...@tjstechnical.com> http://tjstechnical.com<http://tjstechnical.com/> Compliance News Updates: https://corp.social/@TJS_Technical From: Amund Westin mailto:am...@westin-emission.no>> Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2024 11:52 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: [PSES] DoC - reference to ROHS directive I have the last 10+ years made reference to ROHS directive 2011/65/EU in the DoC. Now, I have been told to switch to 2015/863/EU? Is that correct? >From what I see on the EU web site, 2015/863 is a Commission Delegated >Directive, amending Annex II to Directive 2011/65/EU As I understand, 2011/65/EU is still in charge, and is the directive to be listed in the DoC. Comments? BR Amund This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/<https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/%20> Website: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/ Instructions: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)<https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html> List rules: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Mike Sherman at: msherma...@comcast.net<mailto:msherma...@comcast.net> Rick Linford at: linf...@ieee.org<mailto:linf...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher at: j.bac...@ieee.org<mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org> To unsubscribe from the EMC-PSTC list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC=1 [https://s-install.avcdn.net/ipm/preview/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif]<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient> Virus-free.www.avast.com<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient> This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/<https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/%20> Website: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/ Instructions: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)<https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html> List rules: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Mike Sherman at: msherma...@comcast.net<mailto:msherma...@comcast.net> Rick Linford at: linf...@ieee.org<mailto:linf...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher at: j.bac...@ieee.org<mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org> To unsubscribe from the EMC-PSTC list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC=1 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/ Website: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/ Instructions: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administ
Re: [PSES] DoC - reference to ROHS directive
The proper directive reference remains 2011/65/EU. If you look at the current version of that directive, it incorporates all of the modification, so there is no need to separately reference the amending documents. Regards Tom Smith, P.Eng Principal Engineer TJS Technical Services Inc. Tel: +1 403-612-6664 Email: <mailto:tsm...@tjstechnical.com> tsm...@tjstechnical.com <http://tjstechnical.com/> http://tjstechnical.com Compliance News Updates: <https://corp.social/@TJS_Technical> https://corp.social/@TJS_Technical From: Amund Westin Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2024 11:52 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] DoC - reference to ROHS directive I have the last 10+ years made reference to ROHS directive 2011/65/EU in the DoC. Now, I have been told to switch to 2015/863/EU? Is that correct? >From what I see on the EU web site, 2015/863 is a Commission Delegated Directive, amending Annex II to Directive 2011/65/EU As I understand, 2011/65/EU is still in charge, and is the directive to be listed in the DoC. Comments? BR Amund _ This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/ <https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/%20> Website: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/ <https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/> Instructions: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) <https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html> List rules: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Mike Sherman at: msherma...@comcast.net <mailto:msherma...@comcast.net> Rick Linford at: linf...@ieee.org <mailto:linf...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher at: j.bac...@ieee.org <mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org> _ To unsubscribe from the EMC-PSTC list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC <https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC=1> =1 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/ Website: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/ Instructions: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Mike Sherman at: msherma...@comcast.net Rick Linford at: linf...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: _ To unsubscribe from the EMC-PSTC list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC=1
[PSES] DoC - reference to ROHS directive
I have the last 10+ years made reference to ROHS directive 2011/65/EU in the DoC. Now, I have been told to switch to 2015/863/EU? Is that correct? >From what I see on the EU web site, 2015/863 is a Commission Delegated Directive, amending Annex II to Directive 2011/65/EU As I understand, 2011/65/EU is still in charge, and is the directive to be listed in the DoC. Comments? BR Amund - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/ Website: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/ Instructions: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Mike Sherman at: msherma...@comcast.net Rick Linford at: linf...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: _ To unsubscribe from the EMC-PSTC list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC=1
