Re: [PSES] EMC tests called up in Safety standards

2018-03-21 Thread Richard Nute
Pete Perkins said: "Historically, the HV impulse tests applied are safety tests." Safety-wise, HV tests of safeguard insulations are to determine that the safeguard insulations will withstand the normally-occurring transient voltages that occur on the mains circuits. I wouldn't call

Re: [PSES] EMC tests called up in Safety standards

2018-03-21 Thread Peter Tarver
Further to Scott’s post, the required illumination is at 20V/m at the EUT, rather than the more commonly used 10 V/m (I don’t know the 60335-1 requirement). As Scott mentions, the intent in this case is to make certain the inverter remains functional, less so that it remain in a safe condition

Re: [PSES] EMC tests called up in Safety standards

2018-03-21 Thread Douglas Smith
STSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EMC tests called up in Safety standards Hello all, Thanks for all the interesting replies, much appreciated. All the best James From: Gert Gremmen; ce-test < g.grem...@cetest.nl [g.grem...@cetest.nl] > Sent: 21 March 2018 11:07 To: EMC-PST

Re: [PSES] EMC tests called up in Safety standards

2018-03-21 Thread Scott Aldous
on (U3C) <ja...@unit3compliance.co.uk> > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 21, 2018 4:41 AM > > *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > *Subject:* Re: [PSES] EMC tests called up in Safety standards > > > > Hello all, > > > > Thanks for all the interesting replies, much appreci

Re: [PSES] EMC tests called up in Safety standards

2018-03-21 Thread Pete Perkins
01 IEEE Life Fellow <mailto:p.perk...@ieee.org> p.perk...@ieee.org From: James Pawson (U3C) <ja...@unit3compliance.co.uk> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 4:41 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EMC tests called up in Safety standards Hello all, Thanks

Re: [PSES] EMC tests called up in Safety standards

2018-03-21 Thread James Pawson (U3C)
Hello all, Thanks for all the interesting replies, much appreciated. All the best James From: Gert Gremmen; ce-test <g.grem...@cetest.nl> Sent: 21 March 2018 11:07 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EMC tests called up in Safety standards The EMC tests as

Re: [PSES] EMC tests called up in Safety standards

2018-03-21 Thread John Woodgate
If I remember correctly, the text in 60335 was prompted by an incident in Denmark where a toaster incorrectly switched on due to EMI. Since the work was done under pressure, it might not have been done in the most appropriate way, but the end-result is as intended. John Woodgate OOO-Own

Re: [PSES] EMC tests called up in Safety standards

2018-03-21 Thread Gert Gremmen; ce-test
The EMC tests as called out in 60335  are safety tests, contrary to those called out under the EMCD that are functional tests only. For Europe , one can discuss about the necessity of those tests, as the EMCD  requires testing in all operating modes including OFF or standby and  as long as one

[PSES] AW: [PSES] EMC tests called up in Safety standards

2018-03-20 Thread Dürrer Bernd
regards, Bernd Von: James Pawson (U3C) [mailto:ja...@unit3compliance.co.uk] Gesendet: Dienstag, 20. März 2018 10:28 An: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Betreff: [PSES] EMC tests called up in Safety standards Hello experts, I note that EN 60335-1 (household and similar appliances) specifically calls

Re: [PSES] EMC tests called up in Safety standards

2018-03-20 Thread John Woodgate
One would normally expect immunity to be covered in a product-family performance standard applying to the whole family, which would be a TC59 publication in this case. But such a standard does not exist; however there is a product-family safety standard applying to the whole family, which is

[PSES] EMC tests called up in Safety standards

2018-03-20 Thread James Pawson (U3C)
Hello experts, I note that EN 60335-1 (household and similar appliances) specifically calls up EMC immunity tests in clause 19.11.4 where the controls for the EUT are set in the "off position" and a set of immunity tests are applied. For something that controls a heating element, I can see why