that would make your toes curl.
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From: John Cotman
Sent: 03/12/12 04:44 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Identifying Apparatus in Europe Declarations of Conformity
(DOCs)
Using a standard that gives a presumption of conformity has obvious benefits,
both
in Europe Declarations of
Conformity (DOCs)
Monrad
My understanding is that unless the DOC cites the current harmonized
standards, then a company must go to a notified body to get an
exception and cite that finding/exception in the DOC
That is not required - the use of a NB is completely
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From: Michael Derby micha...@acbcert.com
To: 'Charlie Blackham' char...@sulisconsultants.com,
EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Date: 03/13/2012 04:33 AM
Subject:RE: [PSES] Identifying Apparatus in Europe Declarations of
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In message
of3cd9390f.9696df42-on862579c0.003df660-862579c0.003e7...@mmm.com,
dated Tue, 13 Mar 2012, rehel...@mmm.com writes:
What if your equipment is multi-functional? Say a passport reader that
has a RFID mode (RTTE) as well as a functional mode to read UV inks or
invisible data (EMC).
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Subject: Re: [PSES] Identifying Apparatus in Europe Declarations of
Conformity (DOCs)
Monrad
My understanding is that unless the DOC cites the current harmonized
standards, then a company must go to a notified body to get an
exception and cite that finding/exception
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Date: 03/13/2012 07:27 AM
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Or a laptop (EMC) with a wireless mouse (RTTE)?
Presumably there?d be some wireless in the laptop as well J
Regards
Charlie
From: Robert Heller
Onderwerp: RE: [PSES] Identifying Apparatus in Europe Declarations of
Conformity (DOCs)
Not in my Abacus Model 1 ;)
Bob Heller
3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01
St. Paul, MN 55107-1208
Tel: 651-778-6336
Fax: 651-778-6252
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From:Charlie Blackham char
...@sulisconsultants.com]
Sent: 13 March 2012 12:27
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Identifying Apparatus in Europe Declarations of
Conformity (DOCs)
Or a laptop (EMC) with a wireless mouse (RTTE)?
Presumably there'd be some wireless in the laptop as well J
Regards
Charlie
Of course, you couldn’t have a wireless abacus. That’d be just a frame and a
pile of beads!
T
- Original Message -
From: Robert Heller
Sent: 03/13/12 12:32 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Identifying Apparatus in Europe Declarations of Conformity
(DOCs)
Not in my
In message
64D32EE8B9CBDD44963ACB076A5F6ABB0261B59C@Mailbox-Tech.lecotech.local,
dated Tue, 13 Mar 2012, Kunde, Brian brian_ku...@lecotc.com writes:
So when a directive says to apply harmonized standards, do we just
assume it means to apply standards harmonized to THAT directive? Is it
clear
*From:*Monrad Monsen [mailto:monrad.mon...@oracle.com]
*Sent:* 06 March 2012 00:10
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In message 4f5e1878.2000...@oracle.com, dated Mon, 12 Mar 2012, Monrad
Monsen monrad.mon...@oracle.com writes:
You made a very interesting statement ... especially for someone whose
e-mail address indicates that you are in Europe. You said:
You have also complicated the issue by supposing
.
Not sure if this clarifies or confuses the issue?
John C
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From: Monrad Monsen [mailto:monrad.mon...@oracle.com]
Sent: 12 March 2012 15:39
To: John Cotman
Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Identifying Apparatus in Europe Declarations of
Conformity (DOCs)
John,
You
John,
Regarding the question Are you implying that a notified body would
freely support a product not updating to comply with new revisions of
the harmonized standards?, you wrote:
Yes: It's possible. For example, an update might well require
emission testing above 1 GHz. If the product
In message 4f5e43dd.90...@oracle.com, dated Mon, 12 Mar 2012, Monrad
Monsen monrad.mon...@oracle.com writes:
By the way, the Europe Commission issued Decision 2010/571/EU on 24 Sep
2010 that announced expiration dates for several RoHS exemptions that
were within a year of the decision.
Article 7. You can put whatever standards you choose on your
DoC.
Regards
Charlie
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From: Monrad Monsen [mailto:monrad.mon...@oracle.com]
Sent: 12 March 2012 18:44
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Identifying Apparatus in Europe Declarations of Conformity
Monrad,
My comments were a generalization of requirements in several current Directives
and in future proposals. For instance, the recast of the LVD and EMCD proposes
a color picture of the apparatus is on the DOC. Some strongly interpret the
current Machinery Directive as requiring the serial
In message 4fe0.9060...@oracle.com, dated Mon, 5 Mar 2012, Monrad
Monsen monrad.mon...@oracle.com writes:
n contrast, I tend to believe that the DOC should identify the product
that it applies to. If a change was necessary, then somehow the DOC
should differentiate which portion of the
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Is there a statistical basis for the requirement to delineate individual
compliant units? That is, is this a recurring problem that has been identified?
Brian
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From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Monrad Monsen
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012
In message 8f13532a3bb8462eaf075973b38f9...@tamuracorp.com, dated Tue,
6 Mar 2012, Brian Oconnell oconne...@tamuracorp.com writes:
Is there a statistical basis for the requirement to delineate
individual compliant units? That is, is this a recurring problem that
has been identified?
Not
If authorities need to know anything, all they have to do is contact the
manufacturer and ask. My name and phone number is on every DOC we issue.
I don't see where having the serial number on the DOC tells anyone how many are
in the field even if you put a range of serial numbers. If you are
Brian,
I'm not sure what you are asking. In EMC emissions compliance, then
they do have a rule that 80% confidence that 80% of the products comply
based on EN55022. However, if you had to make a change to achieve that
compliance, then you should identify which products have this change to
Brian,
You wrote:
I don't see where having the serial number on the DOC tells
anyone how many are in the field even if you put a range of
serial numbers.
Please note that my proposal was for a serial number break-in which is
the first product serial number that implemented the needed change
Monrad,
I understand the rationale for specific delineation of units in the DoC. That
was not my question. Is there data that indicates a recurring pattern of
non-compliant units where knowledge of individual tracibility was required for
control and/or re-call?
As for for safety and RoHS,
-Original Message-
From: Brian Oconnell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 12:36 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Identifying Apparatus in Europe Declarations of Conformity
(DOCs)
Monrad,
I understand the rationale for specific delineation of units
: [PSES] Identifying Apparatus in Europe Declarations of
Conformity (DOCs)
Brian,
I'm a little confused here and obviously don't know the system but don't
your specifications control what any vendor is sending you? They either meet
them up front or you would test and evaluate before they can be excepted
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