[PSES] SV: [PSES] 802.11a (5GHz WiFi) requires CE Alert sign, right?
Declaration of Conformity with an alert sign (class 2) included. Then should a Notified Body number be included in the DoC as well, right? #Amund -Opprinnelig melding- Fra: Hooper, Nick [mailto:nick.hoo...@ul.com] Sendt: 1. august 2014 15:20 Til: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Emne: Re: [PSES] 802.11a (5GHz WiFi) requires CE Alert sign, right? I believe the intention is that the content of Article 49 Transposition of the RED 2014/53/EU should also be transposed [from the Directive] into each member state's national law In a recent meeting (July 2014) of the EU Commission TCAM group, a clarification on this subject was requested from the EU commission, and the following comment was made to the meeting - it is not a verbatim quote from the EU TCAM Chair. I am waiting for formal minutes of the meeting from the EU Commission which will be circulated to the RTTE CA membership. Member States shall apply the provisions of the RED from 16 June 2016 (even though certain Member States may adopt it earlier), and not before. Therefore, the situation will not arise where some Member States would have adopted the RED and others not. I also understand ETSI and CISPR have (at least draft) mandates from the EU to update the standards in light of the changes, such as receiver performance requirements, within the new RED, I expected these updates [to meet the requirements of the RED] will take many months. Regards Nick Hooper RTTE CA Chairman http://www.rtteca.com/ and I agree with John Woodgate -OOO - Own Opinions Only -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: 31 July 2014 20:53 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] 802.11a (5GHz WiFi) requires CE Alert sign, right? In message 6ea35dc06888465d8cb4cb752f5ef...@blupr03mb119.namprd03.prod.outlook.com , dated Thu, 31 Jul 2014, Crane, Lauren lauren.cr...@kla-tencor.com writes: I think the above means the RED is in transition and you may choose to follow it vs. the RTTED. The RED cannot be used until at least one EU Member State has adopted it into national law. I don't know whether this has happened yet. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Quid faciamus nisi sit? John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com This e-mail may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient: (1) you may not disclose, use, distribute, copy or rely upon this message or attachment(s); and (2) please notify the sender by reply e-mail, and then delete this message and its attachment(s). Underwriters Laboratories Inc. and its affiliates disclaim all liability for any errors, omissions, corruption or virus in this message or any attachments. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at
Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] 802.11a (5GHz WiFi) requires CE Alert sign, right?
In message 002601d075bd$e2612370$a7236a50$@westin-emission.no, dated Mon, 13 Apr 2015, Amund Westin am...@westin-emission.no writes: No, I wrote last July: The RED cannot be used until at least one EU Member State has adopted it into national law. I don't know whether this has happened yet. The Commission has now countermanded that, saying that ALL member states must have enacted before the RED effectively becomes law. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk When I turn my back on the sun, it's to look for a rainbow John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] 802.11a (5GHz WiFi) requires CE Alert sign, right?
Hello Amund, I don't know if your question relates to the RED timing conversation below (which I think has been fully answered by Nick); or if this is a new question relating to the general requirements of the RTTE Directive (and perhaps the RED in the future). So, I will assume it's a completely new question related to labelling and not related to RED timings. Let's talk RTTE.. The 'Class 2' and 'Alert Sign' aspect are separate from the requirements for using a Notified Body. A Notified Body is used when the harmonised test standards were not followed. If you completely apply (and comply with) harmonised standards, you can sign your own DoC without the need for a Notified Body. If you do not follow (or do not comply with) the harmonised test standard route, you must get a Notified Body opinion. If you do use a Notified Body and they give their opinion, positive or negative; regardless if it was voluntary or mandatory; you put their NB number with your CE Mark on your product, user manual and packaging. (No actual requirement to put it on the DoC). As a separate issue. If your product can be used anywhere in the EU and EFTA, etc., without restrictions, then it is Class 1 and the Alert Symbol is not needed. If it is not Class 1, then it becomes Class 2 and the Alert Symbol must be added after the CE Mark on the product, user manual and packaging. The two issues above are separate. You do not need a Notified Body just because it is a Class 2 device. Looking ahead to the RED. the concept will be the same; except.. There will be no Alert Symbol. The CE Mark will not need to appear in the user manual. The NB number will not be added to the labelling in the case of a Notified Body review and type examination certificate. I hope this helps but please feel free to ask more. Michael. -Original Message- From: Amund Westin [mailto:am...@westin-emission.no] Sent: 13 April 2015 03:46 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] SV: [PSES] 802.11a (5GHz WiFi) requires CE Alert sign, right? Declaration of Conformity with an alert sign (class 2) included. Then should a Notified Body number be included in the DoC as well, right? #Amund -Opprinnelig melding- Fra: Hooper, Nick [mailto:nick.hoo...@ul.com] Sendt: 1. august 2014 15:20 Til: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Emne: Re: [PSES] 802.11a (5GHz WiFi) requires CE Alert sign, right? I believe the intention is that the content of Article 49 Transposition of the RED 2014/53/EU should also be transposed [from the Directive] into each member state's national law In a recent meeting (July 2014) of the EU Commission TCAM group, a clarification on this subject was requested from the EU commission, and the following comment was made to the meeting - it is not a verbatim quote from the EU TCAM Chair. I am waiting for formal minutes of the meeting from the EU Commission which will be circulated to the RTTE CA membership. Member States shall apply the provisions of the RED from 16 June 2016 (even though certain Member States may adopt it earlier), and not before. Therefore, the situation will not arise where some Member States would have adopted the RED and others not. I also understand ETSI and CISPR have (at least draft) mandates from the EU to update the standards in light of the changes, such as receiver performance requirements, within the new RED, I expected these updates [to meet the requirements of the RED] will take many months. Regards Nick Hooper RTTE CA Chairman http://www.rtteca.com/ and I agree with John Woodgate -OOO - Own Opinions Only -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: 31 July 2014 20:53 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] 802.11a (5GHz WiFi) requires CE Alert sign, right? In message 6ea35dc06888465d8cb4cb752f5ef...@blupr03mb119.namprd03.prod.outlook.com , dated Thu, 31 Jul 2014, Crane, Lauren lauren.cr...@kla-tencor.com writes: I think the above means the RED is in transition and you may choose to follow it vs. the RTTED. The RED cannot be used until at least one EU Member State has adopted it into national law. I don't know whether this has happened yet. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Quid faciamus nisi sit? John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how
