Re: [PSES] Type F receptacle wiring

[Ted Eckert]

My information on the possibility of polarization comes from an old version of 
IEC 60083 that included the drawing below. This drawing was for Spain, covering 
what must have been a region that used the French plug. IEC 60083 also included 
the more familiar Schuko for Spain. The Wikipedia article linked previously 
states the following. "The French convention changed circa 2002 from nothing 
particular, to, if the earth pin was at the top then the line hole in the 
socket would be on the right looking at the socket." I think I misinterpreted 
the drawing. I originally thought the top part was the plug face. Now that I 
look at the context in the standard, the top drawing is the receptacle. This 
would confirm the Wikipedia statement.

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I always enjoy a discussion on this list server where my knowledge decreases as 
the discussion continues.

Ted Eckert
Microsoft Corporation

The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my 
employer.

From: John Woodgate 
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2019 3:22 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Type F receptacle wiring


Look at the text in the Wikipedia link you gave us, under the heading:

CEE 7/5 socket and CEE 7/6 plug (French; Type E)

and the next :

CEE 7/7 plug (compatible with E and F)

Polarization rules!

Best wishes

John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only

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On 2019-02-22 23:14, Richard Nute wrote:

Hi Doug:

The French, Belgian, and Schuko domestic connectors are non-polarized.

The British, North American, South Africa, some Japan domestic connectors are 
polarized.

Some domestic connectors in Norway and many in Japan have no PE.

Wikipedia discusses the various plugs and sockets, polarization, and earthing:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_power_plugs_and_sockets<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FAC_power_plugs_and_sockets=02%7C01%7Cted.eckert%40microsoft.com%7Cfbf7b79a0d724a475b3b08d6991c90bf%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636864745308174012=M%2Bnb9lw65nwZvacXxt2Z8lJ%2Bmun8MNkxYnWWi4lWj%2Bo%3D=0>

See the table near the end for both polarization and earthing.

Appliance couplers are polarized in North America, but not elsewhere.

Best regards,
Rich


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Re: [PSES] Type F receptacle wiring

[Richard Nute]

 

Note i to the table:

 

Plug can only be inserted one way with French CEE 7/5, but lack of wiring 
convention means that the system is not polarized.

 

Contradiction, or recognition that polarization (in France) was relatively 
recent (circa 2002)?  Note the “ 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed> citation needed” in 
the Wikipedia text.  Or, a generalization that includes the other countries 
that use the same plug and socket? 

 

Best regards,

Rich

 

 

From: John Woodgate  
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2019 3:22 PM
To: ri...@ieee.org; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Type F receptacle wiring

 

Look at the text in the Wikipedia link you gave us, under the heading:


CEE 7/5 socket and CEE 7/6 plug (French; Type E)


and the next :


CEE 7/7 plug (compatible with E and F)


Polarization rules!

Best wishes
John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk <http://www.woodjohn.uk> 
Rayleigh, Essex UK

On 2019-02-22 23:14, Richard Nute wrote:

 

Hi Doug:

 

The French, Belgian, and Schuko domestic connectors are non-polarized.  

 

The British, North American, South Africa, some Japan domestic connectors are 
polarized.

 

Some domestic connectors in Norway and many in Japan have no PE.

 

Wikipedia discusses the various plugs and sockets, polarization, and earthing:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_power_plugs_and_sockets

 

See the table near the end for both polarization and earthing.

 

Appliance couplers are polarized in North America, but not elsewhere.  

 

Best regards,

Rich 

 

 

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Re: [PSES] Type F receptacle wiring

[John Woodgate]

Look at the text in the Wikipedia link you gave us, under the heading:


   CEE 7/5 socket and CEE 7/6 plug (French; Type E)

and the next :


   CEE 7/7 plug (compatible with E and F)

Polarization rules!

Best wishes
John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk
Rayleigh, Essex UK

On 2019-02-22 23:14, Richard Nute wrote:


Hi Doug:

The French, Belgian, and Schuko domestic connectors are non-polarized.

The British, North American, South Africa, some Japan domestic 
connectors are polarized.


Some domestic connectors in Norway and many in Japan have no PE.

Wikipedia discusses the various plugs and sockets, polarization, and 
earthing:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_power_plugs_and_sockets

See the table near the end for both polarization and earthing.

Appliance couplers are polarized in North America, but not elsewhere.

Best regards,

Rich

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Re: [PSES] Type F receptacle wiring

[Richard Nute]

 

Hi Doug:

 

The French, Belgian, and Schuko domestic connectors are non-polarized.  

 

The British, North American, South Africa, some Japan domestic connectors are 
polarized.

 

Some domestic connectors in Norway and many in Japan have no PE.

 

Wikipedia discusses the various plugs and sockets, polarization, and earthing:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_power_plugs_and_sockets

 

See the table near the end for both polarization and earthing.

 

Appliance couplers are polarized in North America, but not elsewhere.  

 

Best regards,

Rich 

 

 

From: Doug Powell  
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2019 9:48 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Type F receptacle wiring

 

All,

 

I am searching for wiring information for the TYPE E CEE7/5, 250 Volt, 16 Amp 
receptacle for France and Belgium.  The earth pin is obvious and for some 
reason, I am unable to find information on the correct pins for Line and 
Neutral.  The receptacle has no makings to this effect.  One resource even says 
the left/right orientation is interchangeable since neutral is considered as 
live. The best I can find indicates neutral is on the left when viewing the 
reception from the front.  True?

 

Thanks!  -- Doug

 

 

Douglas E Powell

doug...@gmail.com <mailto:doug...@gmail.com> 
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Re: [PSES] Type F receptacle wiring

[Doug Powell]

Thanks all,

Very helpful and reassures me that I am not doing anything to get myself
into hot water.

Have a great weekend,

Doug

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On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 2:41 PM Ted Eckert <
07cf6ebeab9d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org> wrote:

> This is my understanding. If you are looking at the face of the plug, with
> the line and neutral pins pointing at you, and the hole for ground up,
> neutral should be on the left. As such, on the receptacle, with ground at
> the top, neutral should be on the right when looking at the front.
>
>
>
> That being said, I would expect it to be highly likely that the
> receptacles are not wired consistently.
>
>
>
> Ted Eckert
>
> Microsoft Corporation
>
>
>
> The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of
> my employer, LCIE or anybody who has actually wired a French outlet.
>
>
>
> *From:* John Woodgate 
> *Sent:* Friday, February 22, 2019 10:28 AM
> *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> *Subject:* Re: [PSES] Type F receptacle wiring
>
>
>
> The plug is not reversible in France and Belgium.
>
> Best wishes
>
> John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
>
> J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk 
> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.woodjohn.uk=02%7C01%7Cted.eckert%40microsoft.com%7C2cb6a8aac91d445fada408d698f376b9%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636864568775180819=jQd4EPi00Gmlgflm6t6luApDsIDIcM4NKNK0D4nicb8%3D=0>
>
> Rayleigh, Essex UK
>
> On 2019-02-22 18:13, John Allen wrote:
>
> Doug
>
>
>
> As I am sure that many others will confirm, that CEE 7 socket does NOT
> have any defined polarity for the Live/Line and Neutral contact tubes, and
> thus the Line/Live and Neutral wires to those contact tubes can & are
> connected either way around according to the “wim” of the installer –
> unlike N.America and the UK (for example) which do have defined polarities
> for some sockets .
>
>
>
> PS: researched this in detail about 20 yrs ago and I am quite sure that
> the situation has not changed since (as it had not changed in the decades
> before that).
>
>
>
> John E Allen
>
> W. London, UK
>
>
>
> *From:* Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com ]
> *Sent:* 22 February 2019 17:48
> *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> *Subject:* [PSES] Type F receptacle wiring
>
>
>
> All,
>
>
>
> I am searching for wiring information for the TYPE E CEE7/5, 250 Volt, 16
> Amp receptacle for France and Belgium.  The earth pin is obvious and for
> some reason, I am unable to find information on the correct pins for Line
> and Neutral.  The receptacle has no makings to this effect.  One resource
> even says the left/right orientation is interchangeable since neutral is
> considered as live. The best I can find indicates neutral is on the left
> when viewing the reception from the front.  True?
>
>
>
> Thanks!  -- Doug
>
>
>
>
>
> Douglas E Powell
>
> doug...@gmail.com
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01
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Re: [PSES] Type F receptacle wiring

[Ted Eckert]

This is my understanding. If you are looking at the face of the plug, with the 
line and neutral pins pointing at you, and the hole for ground up, neutral 
should be on the left. As such, on the receptacle, with ground at the top, 
neutral should be on the right when looking at the front.

That being said, I would expect it to be highly likely that the receptacles are 
not wired consistently.

Ted Eckert
Microsoft Corporation

The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my 
employer, LCIE or anybody who has actually wired a French outlet.

From: John Woodgate 
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2019 10:28 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Type F receptacle wiring


The plug is not reversible in France and Belgium.

Best wishes

John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only

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Rayleigh, Essex UK
On 2019-02-22 18:13, John Allen wrote:
Doug

As I am sure that many others will confirm, that CEE 7 socket does NOT have any 
defined polarity for the Live/Line and Neutral contact tubes, and thus the 
Line/Live and Neutral wires to those contact tubes can & are connected either 
way around according to the “wim” of the installer – unlike N.America and the 
UK (for example) which do have defined polarities for some sockets .

PS: researched this in detail about 20 yrs ago and I am quite sure that the 
situation has not changed since (as it had not changed in the decades before 
that).

John E Allen
W. London, UK

From: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com]
Sent: 22 February 2019 17:48
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject: [PSES] Type F receptacle wiring

All,

I am searching for wiring information for the TYPE E CEE7/5, 250 Volt, 16 Amp 
receptacle for France and Belgium.  The earth pin is obvious and for some 
reason, I am unable to find information on the correct pins for Line and 
Neutral.  The receptacle has no makings to this effect.  One resource even says 
the left/right orientation is interchangeable since neutral is considered as 
live. The best I can find indicates neutral is on the left when viewing the 
reception from the front.  True?

Thanks!  -- Doug


Douglas E Powell

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Re: [PSES] Type F receptacle wiring

[John Allen]

John W

 

IIRC, during that (long ago!) investigation of the socket polarity issue, I am 
sure that I checked the French NF-C15-100 wiring regs and the related official 
guides (and possibly the Belgian equivalents – but cannot be certain of that) – 
and I certainly never found anything that stated the required polarities for 
the contact tubes of the sockets.

 

John E Allen

W. London, UK

 

From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk] 
Sent: 22 February 2019 20:31
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Type F receptacle wiring

 

I am not so sure. The French/Belgian version may have been invented just to be 
different from the German, but it certainly allows a standardized wiring of the 
wall socket (neutral on the left with the earth pin at the bottom).  I suppose 
the subject would be addressed in the French and Belgian national versions of 
IEC 60364.  Does anyone here know?

Best wishes
John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk
Rayleigh, Essex UK

On 2019-02-22 20:23, John Allen wrote:

John

 

Regardless of whether or not a CEE 7 plug is (and, apart from that particular 
version of the CEE 7 plug, almost, if not all of them, are), or is not, 
reversible in a CEE 7 socket, the polarity of the socket contact tubes is 
indeterminable for the reasons I outlined earlier. 

 

Therefore, as far as a supplier of pluggable equipment is concerned, he cannot 
rely on socket + plug polarity being determinable and stable, and thus the 
Live/Neutral conductors entering the equipment can, and often are, “reversed” 
arbitrarily – that is one of the reasons why double-pole switching, & sometimes 
fusing, of such equipment is deemed necessary for safety reasons.

 

John E Allen

W. London, UK.

 

From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk] 
Sent: 22 February 2019 18:28
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Type F receptacle wiring

 

The plug is not reversible in France and Belgium.

Best wishes
John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk
Rayleigh, Essex UK

On 2019-02-22 18:13, John Allen wrote:

Doug

 

As I am sure that many others will confirm, that CEE 7 socket does NOT have any 
defined polarity for the Live/Line and Neutral contact tubes, and thus the 
Line/Live and Neutral wires to those contact tubes can & are connected either 
way around according to the “wim” of the installer – unlike N.America and the 
UK (for example) which do have defined polarities for some sockets .

 

PS: researched this in detail about 20 yrs ago and I am quite sure that the 
situation has not changed since (as it had not changed in the decades before 
that).

 

John E Allen

W. London, UK

 

From: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 22 February 2019 17:48
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Type F receptacle wiring

 

All,

 

I am searching for wiring information for the TYPE E CEE7/5, 250 Volt, 16 Amp 
receptacle for France and Belgium.  The earth pin is obvious and for some 
reason, I am unable to find information on the correct pins for Line and 
Neutral.  The receptacle has no makings to this effect.  One resource even says 
the left/right orientation is interchangeable since neutral is considered as 
live. The best I can find indicates neutral is on the left when viewing the 
reception from the front.  True?

 

Thanks!  -- Doug

 

 

Douglas E Powell

doug...@gmail.com
http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01

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Re: [PSES] Type F receptacle wiring

[John Woodgate]

I am not so sure. The French/Belgian version *may* have been invented 
just to be different from the German, but it certainly *allows* a 
standardized wiring of the wall socket (neutral on the left with the 
earth pin at the bottom). I suppose the subject would be addressed in 
the French and Belgian national versions of IEC 60364.  Does anyone here 
know?


Best wishes
John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk
Rayleigh, Essex UK

On 2019-02-22 20:23, John Allen wrote:


John

Regardless of whether or not a CEE 7 plug is (and, /apart from that 
particular version of the CEE 7 plug/, almost, if not all of them, 
are), or is not, reversible in a CEE 7 socket, the polarity of the 
socket contact tubes is indeterminable for the reasons I outlined 
earlier.


Therefore, as far as a supplier of pluggable equipment is concerned, 
he cannot rely on socket + plug polarity being determinable and 
stable, and thus the Live/Neutral conductors entering the equipment 
can, and often are, “reversed” arbitrarily – that is one of the 
reasons why double-pole switching, & sometimes fusing, of such 
equipment is deemed necessary for safety reasons.


John E Allen

W. London, UK.

*From:*John Woodgate [mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk]
*Sent:* 22 February 2019 18:28
*To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
*Subject:* Re: [PSES] Type F receptacle wiring

The plug is not reversible in France and Belgium.

Best wishes
John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
J M Woodgate and Associateswww.woodjohn.uk  <http://www.woodjohn.uk>
Rayleigh, Essex UK

On 2019-02-22 18:13, John Allen wrote:

Doug

As I am sure that many others will confirm, that CEE 7 socket does
NOT have any defined polarity for the Live/Line and Neutral
contact tubes, and thus the Line/Live and Neutral wires to those
contact tubes can & are connected either way around according to
the “wim” of the installer – unlike N.America and the UK (for
example) which do have defined polarities for some sockets .

PS: researched this in detail about 20 yrs ago and I am quite sure
that the situation has not changed since (as it had not changed in
the decades before that).

John E Allen

W. London, UK

*From:*Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* 22 February 2019 17:48
*To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
    *Subject:* [PSES] Type F receptacle wiring

All,

I am searching for wiring information for the TYPE E CEE7/5, 250
Volt, 16 Amp receptacle for France and Belgium.  The earth pin is
obvious and for some reason, I am unable to find information on
the correct pins for Line and Neutral. The receptacle has no
makings to this effect.  One resource even says the left/right
orientation is interchangeable since neutral is considered as
live. The best I can find indicates neutral is on the left when
viewing the reception from the front.  True?

Thanks!  -- Doug

Douglas E Powell

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John

 

Regardless of whether or not a CEE 7 plug is (and, apart from that particular 
version of the CEE 7 plug, almost, if not all of them, are), or is not, 
reversible in a CEE 7 socket, the polarity of the socket contact tubes is 
indeterminable for the reasons I outlined earlier. 

 

Therefore, as far as a supplier of pluggable equipment is concerned, he cannot 
rely on socket + plug polarity being determinable and stable, and thus the 
Live/Neutral conductors entering the equipment can, and often are, “reversed” 
arbitrarily – that is one of the reasons why double-pole switching, & sometimes 
fusing, of such equipment is deemed necessary for safety reasons.

 

John E Allen

W. London, UK.

 

From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk] 
Sent: 22 February 2019 18:28
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Type F receptacle wiring

 

The plug is not reversible in France and Belgium.

Best wishes
John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk
Rayleigh, Essex UK

On 2019-02-22 18:13, John Allen wrote:

Doug

 

As I am sure that many others will confirm, that CEE 7 socket does NOT have any 
defined polarity for the Live/Line and Neutral contact tubes, and thus the 
Line/Live and Neutral wires to those contact tubes can & are connected either 
way around according to the “wim” of the installer – unlike N.America and the 
UK (for example) which do have defined polarities for some sockets .

 

PS: researched this in detail about 20 yrs ago and I am quite sure that the 
situation has not changed since (as it had not changed in the decades before 
that).

 

John E Allen

W. London, UK

 

From: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 22 February 2019 17:48
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Type F receptacle wiring

 

All,

 

I am searching for wiring information for the TYPE E CEE7/5, 250 Volt, 16 Amp 
receptacle for France and Belgium.  The earth pin is obvious and for some 
reason, I am unable to find information on the correct pins for Line and 
Neutral.  The receptacle has no makings to this effect.  One resource even says 
the left/right orientation is interchangeable since neutral is considered as 
live. The best I can find indicates neutral is on the left when viewing the 
reception from the front.  True?

 

Thanks!  -- Doug

 

 

Douglas E Powell

doug...@gmail.com
http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01

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Re: [PSES] Type F receptacle wiring

[John Woodgate]

This variant of the CEE7 is not reversible in FR or BE wall sockets, 
because of the earth pin. I measured a moulded-on lead, and looking at 
the pins, with the hole for the earth pin at the bottom, the N pin is on 
the right.  I don't guarantee that all leads are like that, though.


Best wishes
John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk
Rayleigh, Essex UK

On 2019-02-22 17:48, Doug Powell wrote:

All,

I am searching for wiring information for the TYPE E CEE7/5, 250 Volt, 
16 Amp receptacle for France and Belgium.  The earth pin is obvious 
and for some reason, I am unable to find information on the correct 
pins for Line and Neutral.  The receptacle has no makings to this 
effect.  One resource even says the left/right orientation is 
interchangeable since neutral is considered as live. The best I can 
find indicates neutral is on the left when viewing the reception from 
the front.  True?


Thanks!  -- Doug


Douglas E Powell

doug...@gmail.com 
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Re: [PSES] Type F receptacle wiring

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The plug is not reversible in France and Belgium.

Best wishes
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J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk
Rayleigh, Essex UK

On 2019-02-22 18:13, John Allen wrote:


Doug

As I am sure that many others will confirm, that CEE 7 socket does NOT 
have any defined polarity for the Live/Line and Neutral contact tubes, 
and thus the Line/Live and Neutral wires to those contact tubes can & 
are connected either way around according to the “wim” of the 
installer – unlike N.America and the UK (for example) which do have 
defined polarities for some sockets .


PS: researched this in detail about 20 yrs ago and I am quite sure 
that the situation has not changed since (as it had not changed in the 
decades before that).


John E Allen

W. London, UK

*From:*Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* 22 February 2019 17:48
*To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
*Subject:* [PSES] Type F receptacle wiring

All,

I am searching for wiring information for the TYPE E CEE7/5, 250 Volt, 
16 Amp receptacle for France and Belgium.  The earth pin is obvious 
and for some reason, I am unable to find information on the correct 
pins for Line and Neutral.  The receptacle has no makings to this 
effect.  One resource even says the left/right orientation is 
interchangeable since neutral is considered as live. The best I can 
find indicates neutral is on the left when viewing the reception from 
the front.  True?


Thanks!  -- Doug

Douglas E Powell

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Doug

 

As I am sure that many others will confirm, that CEE 7 socket does NOT have any 
defined polarity for the Live/Line and Neutral contact tubes, and thus the 
Line/Live and Neutral wires to those contact tubes can & are connected either 
way around according to the “wim” of the installer – unlike N.America and the 
UK (for example) which do have defined polarities for some sockets .

 

PS: researched this in detail about 20 yrs ago and I am quite sure that the 
situation has not changed since (as it had not changed in the decades before 
that).

 

John E Allen

W. London, UK

 

From: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 22 February 2019 17:48
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Type F receptacle wiring

 

All,

 

I am searching for wiring information for the TYPE E CEE7/5, 250 Volt, 16 Amp 
receptacle for France and Belgium.  The earth pin is obvious and for some 
reason, I am unable to find information on the correct pins for Line and 
Neutral.  The receptacle has no makings to this effect.  One resource even says 
the left/right orientation is interchangeable since neutral is considered as 
live. The best I can find indicates neutral is on the left when viewing the 
reception from the front.  True?

 

Thanks!  -- Doug

 

 

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[PSES] Type F receptacle wiring

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All,

I am searching for wiring information for the TYPE E CEE7/5, 250 Volt, 16
Amp receptacle for France and Belgium.  The earth pin is obvious and for
some reason, I am unable to find information on the correct pins for Line
and Neutral.  The receptacle has no makings to this effect.  One resource
even says the left/right orientation is interchangeable since neutral is
considered as live. The best I can find indicates neutral is on the left
when viewing the reception from the front.  True?

Thanks!  -- Doug


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