Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-07-15 Thread John Woodgate
In message OFE9DD0726.68368FB0-ON88257D15.007F7EB3-88257D15.007F95B3@US.Schneider-E lectric.com, dated Mon, 14 Jul 2014, ralph.mcdiar...@schneider-electric.com writes: Linear techniques these days are costly, heavy or just unfashionable. Or mysterious to some of the recent graduate engineers

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-07-15 Thread CR
On 7/15/2014 2:19 AM, John Woodgate wrote: Linear techniques these days are costly, heavy or just unfashionable. Or mysterious to some of the recent graduate engineers today? That's a consequence of 'unfashionable'. It's a consequence of efficiency standards. I may be fixing EMI problems

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-07-15 Thread John Woodgate
In message 53c53ed7.80...@earthlink.net, dated Tue, 15 Jul 2014, CR k...@earthlink.net writes: On 7/15/2014 2:19 AM, John Woodgate wrote: Linear techniques these days are costly, heavy or just unfashionable. Or mysterious to some of the recent graduate engineers today? That's a consequence

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-07-14 Thread McDiarmid, Ralph
| Regulatory Compliance Engineering From: John Woodgate j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG, Date: 06/04/2014 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp In message a8f260b4d69943a6a1ef4c01b782b

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread John Woodgate
In message 538ea5c5.6070...@emcesd.com, dated Tue, 3 Jun 2014, Douglas Smith d...@emcesd.com writes: I just posted my latest Technical Tidbit a few hours ago using a class D stereo amplifier to illustrate a potential problem whereby emission test standards may understate the emissions from a

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
Hi Dough I am not sure that this increased current contributes to radiation, as it might be only a capacitive coupled local current that flows back from the cabling through the conductive table to EUT. By lifting the EUT that loop capacitance becomes smaller and so the current. It might even

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread Pettit, Ghery
] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp Hi Everyone, I just posted my latest Technical Tidbit a few hours ago using a class D stereo amplifier to illustrate a potential problem whereby emission test standards may understate

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread Mike Violette
@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp Hi Everyone, I just posted my latest Technical Tidbit a few hours ago using a class D stereo amplifier to illustrate a potential problem whereby emission test standards

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread Richard Nute
On 6/4/2014 9:47 AM, Mike Violette wrote: Class B limits are amazingly conservative, to which large populations of devices ascribe. Try using an ordinary AM radio beside a compact fluorescent lamp as on a beside table. - This

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread Charlie Blackham
-Original Message- From: Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org] Sent: 04 June 2014 18:02 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp On 6/4/2014 9:47 AM, Mike Violette wrote: Class B limits

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread Rick Busche
04, 2014 11:02 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp On 6/4/2014 9:47 AM, Mike Violette wrote: Class B limits are amazingly conservative, to which large populations of devices

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread Dward
, 2014 10:02 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp On 6/4/2014 9:47 AM, Mike Violette wrote: Class B limits are amazingly conservative, to which large populations of devices ascribe. Try

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread Pettit, Ghery
04, 2014 10:26 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp Do we still have AM? Someone once called that was Ancient Modulation. :) I suspect that in a few years fluorescent lamps will give

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread Pettit, Ghery
: Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp I do not want to speak for Mike Violette, but what I think he is referring to by interference is the fact that, while the FCC could care less if two part 15 devices interfered with each

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread Mike Violette
...@ieee.org] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 10:02 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp On 6/4/2014 9:47 AM, Mike Violette wrote: Class B limits are amazingly conservative, to which

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread John Woodgate
In message 538f50f1.3090...@ieee.org, dated Wed, 4 Jun 2014, Richard Nute ri...@ieee.org writes: Class B limits are amazingly conservative, to which large populations of devices ascribe. Try using an ordinary AM radio beside a compact fluorescent lamp as on a beside table. IS a CFL a

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread John Woodgate
In message a8f260b4d69943a6a1ef4c01b782b...@blupr01mb147.prod.exchangelabs.com, dated Wed, 4 Jun 2014, Rick Busche rick.bus...@qnergy.com writes: As a side note, do LED lamps create EMI concerns? Yes, or rather their feed circuits do: anything that uses switching technology does. Linear

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread Sykes, Bob
-led-lighting.html -Bob Sykes -Original Message- From: Rick Busche [mailto:rick.bus...@qnergy.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 1:26 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread Mike Violette
Message- From: Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 10:02 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp On 6/4/2014 9:47 AM, Mike Violette wrote

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
: woensdag 4 juni 2014 19:26 Aan: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Onderwerp: Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp Do we still have AM? Someone once called that was Ancient Modulation. :) I suspect that in a few years fluorescent

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread Ed Price
] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 10:26 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp Do we still have AM? Someone once called that was Ancient Modulation. :) I suspect that in a few years

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread Charlie Blackham
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp Charlie, FCC Class B protection distance is 3m, where Class A is 10m. This establishes their relationship. Class B = X dBuV measured at 3m

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread Pettit, Ghery
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Rick Busche [mailto:rick.bus...@qnergy.com] Verzonden: woensdag 4 juni 2014 19:26 Aan: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Onderwerp: Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp Do we still have AM? Someone once

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread Dward
AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp Charlie, FCC Class B protection distance is 3m, where Class A is 10m. This establishes their relationship. Class B = X dBuV measured at 3m

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread Gary McInturff
] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 11:15 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp We (pilots) even use it for less than critical communications. :-) Ghery S. Pettit -Original Message

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
-Original Message- From: Pettit, Ghery [mailto:ghery.pet...@intel.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 11:15 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp We (pilots) even use it for less

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread Sundstrom, Mike
...@cetest.nl] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 1:06 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp Airplanes use AM for critical communications between airport and plane. A reliable connection

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread Sykes, Bob
: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 2:12 PM To: Sykes, Bob; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp Bob I've always read it as being a measurement distance. The FCC/CISPR limits are (more or less) the same

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread John Woodgate
In message 000a01cf8024$494154b0$dbc3fe10$@pctestlab.com, dated Wed, 4 Jun 2014, Dward dw...@pctestlab.com writes: Currently the rules are very specific about the year of CISPR 22 that can be used. 15.38 specifically states that the reference to CISPR pub 22 only applies to the 1997 third

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread Ted Eckert
...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 12:40 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp In message 000a01cf8024$494154b0$dbc3fe10$@pctestlab.com, dated Wed, 4 Jun 2014, Dward dw

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread Pettit, Ghery
@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp No, I not German but Dutch ... This was me http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhnGIxrepEI Gert -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Gary McInturff

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread Pettit, Ghery
: Sundstrom, Mike [mailto:mike.sundst...@garmin.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 12:11 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp I'm pretty sure that: The only reason the FAA is still

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread Pettit, Ghery
Subject: Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp I thought that version was available on papyrus scrolls also. Ted Eckert Compliance Engineer Microsoft Corporation ted.eck...@microsoft.com The opinions expressed are my own

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread John Woodgate
In message a6c794aac3df43f79e3a96a2a8754...@bl2pr03mb372.namprd03.prod.outlook.com , dated Wed, 4 Jun 2014, Ted Eckert ted.eck...@microsoft.com writes: I thought that version was available on papyrus scrolls also. Only the French text. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread Summers, Chet
: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 12:55 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp I thought that version was available on papyrus scrolls also. Ted Eckert Compliance Engineer Microsoft Corporation

Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-04 Thread Dward
, 2014 12:40 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp In message 000a01cf8024$494154b0$dbc3fe10$@pctestlab.com, dated Wed, 4 Jun 2014, Dward dw...@pctestlab.com writes: Currently the rules

[PSES] radiated emissions testing may understate actual emissions, an example using a class D stereo amp

2014-06-03 Thread Douglas Smith
Hi Everyone, I just posted my latest Technical Tidbit a few hours ago using a class D stereo amplifier to illustrate a potential problem whereby emission test standards may understate the emissions from a digital device. Here goes: Abstract: Radiated