Re: AW: Define Continuous DC Voltage

2001-11-15 Thread Rich Nute
Hi John: Also consider that the rectifier will very probably fail due to excessive reverse voltage under the fault condition, thus allowing fault current to flow through the transformer winding. Will the rectifier fail open or short? This SELV grounding scheme certainly doesn't

Re: AW: Define Continuous DC Voltage

2001-11-15 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Rich Nute ri...@sdd.hp.com wrote (in 20042313.paa09...@epgc196.sdd.hp.com) about 'AW: Define Continuous DC Voltage', on Wed, 14 Nov 2001: When the fault occurs between the mains and the ungrounded SELV pole, 240 volts will appear across the aggregate 1.25-ohm

Re: AW: Define Continuous DC Voltage

2001-11-14 Thread Rich Nute
Hi John: I presume that the fault current path for the ungrounded SELV pole must be routed through the SELV source to ground as that path is the lowest impedance path to ground. It seems to me that the fault current would have to pass through the transformer winding. In

Re: AW: Define Continuous DC Voltage

2001-11-14 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Rich Nute ri...@sdd.hp.com wrote (in 20041710.jaa08...@epgc196.sdd.hp.com) about 'AW: Define Continuous DC Voltage', on Wed, 14 Nov 2001: A SELV circuit can be grounded. As a result of connecting the SELV to ground, the name of the circuit may change to PELV or FELV

Re: AW: Define Continuous DC Voltage

2001-11-14 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Rich Nute ri...@sdd.hp.com wrote (in 20041912.laa08...@epgc196.sdd.hp.com) about 'AW: Define Continuous DC Voltage', on Wed, 14 Nov 2001: I presume that the fault current path for the ungrounded SELV pole must be routed through the SELV source to ground as that path

FW: AW: Define Continuous DC Voltage

2001-11-14 Thread robertj
Subject: Re: AW: Define Continuous DC Voltage I read in !emc-pstc that Rich Nute ri...@sdd.hp.com wrote (in 20040041.qaa06...@epgc196.sdd.hp.com) about 'AW: Define Continuous DC Voltage', on Tue, 13 Nov 2001: Hi John: SELV can protect under single fault conditions. BUT, as I tried

Re: AW: Define Continuous DC Voltage

2001-11-14 Thread Rich Nute
Hi John: SELV can protect under single fault conditions. BUT, as I tried to explain, under some conditions, it can allow a single fault *to persist undetected*, until eventually a second, unrelated fault occurs which then results in a serious hazard. This is a

Re: AW: Define Continuous DC Voltage

2001-11-14 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that John Woodgate j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk wrote (in bhmfeca9hj87e...@jmwa.demon.co.uk) about 'AW: Define Continuous DC Voltage', on Wed, 14 Nov 2001: I said quite clearly that failure of double or reinforced insulation is acceptable because failure of it has an acceptably low

Re: AW: Define Continuous DC Voltage

2001-11-14 Thread Rich Nute
Hi Vito: Could either of you clarify why a double insulated SELV circuit can not be grounded? Is it a 60950 based or based on some other performance(?) based requirements? This requires a bit of history. I don't have all of the history, but I can fill in some of the blanks. IEC

Re: AW: Define Continuous DC Voltage

2001-11-14 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that vit...@aol.com wrote (in 117.79cc5a2.29233849@ aol.com) about 'AW: Define Continuous DC Voltage', on Tue, 13 Nov 2001: Could either of you clarify why a double insulated SELV circuit can not be grounded? Is it a 60950 based or based on some other performance(?) based

Re: AW: Define Continuous DC Voltage

2001-11-14 Thread VitoGL
John, Rich; Could either of you clarify why a double insulated SELV circuit can not be grounded? Is it a 60950 based or based on some other performance(?) based requirements? thx, vgl In a message dated Tue, 13 Nov 2001 7:51:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, Rich Nute ri...@sdd.hp.com writes:

Re: AW: Define Continuous DC Voltage

2001-11-14 Thread Rich Nute
Hi John: SELV can protect under single fault conditions. BUT, as I tried to explain, under some conditions, it can allow a single fault *to persist undetected*, until eventually a second, unrelated fault occurs which then results in a serious hazard. This is a problem of the

Re: AW: Define Continuous DC Voltage

2001-11-13 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Rich Nute ri...@sdd.hp.com wrote (in 20031830.kaa06...@epgc196.sdd.hp.com) about 'AW: Define Continuous DC Voltage', on Tue, 13 Nov 2001: Hi John: I have never been very keen on the concept of SELV, and I am glad to see that others are now recognizing

Re: AW: Define Continuous DC Voltage

2001-11-12 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Horst Haug innova...@t-online.de wrote (in nebbjgdeklhmddlcffinceancoaa.innova...@t-online.de) about 'AW: Define Continuous DC Voltage', on Sun, 11 Nov 2001: Enclosed are results of a SELV reliability test. The output inductance was shorted with no load

AW: Define Continuous DC Voltage

2001-11-11 Thread Horst Haug
Enclosed are results of a SELV reliability test. The output inductance was shorted with no load and the ripple increased. In 1.2.13.4 (IEC60950) DC voltage is defined as a voltage with a peak to peak value less 10 % of the DC voltage. In the enclosed file you see the ripple with Peak 49,6 Vpmax