RE: NARTE safety engineer certification
From: Arthur Michael [mailto:amich...@safetylink.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 4:28 PM Patience, Little Grasshoppre, Patience. What follows is my opinion. Yours might be different. You misinterpret my meaning, Art, though I was a bit vague. My pleas for a response were a test, not a cry for help. If NARTE can't send a canned response to a simple request on the first contact, the appearance is that they don't have their act together enough for their certification to be of much value. My confidence remains uninspired and I presently doubt that I'll bother to give NARTE any money to obtain their certification. I don't need another magazine subscription, I have enough credit cards and I'm not interested in purchasing NARTE merchandise, even at a discount. Perhaps those on the list that have obtained NARTE certification in another discipline can enlighten me on other, perhaps less tangible benefits. Regards, Peter L. Tarver, PE The Krusty Grump This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: NARTE safety engineer certification
Hello Peter, I believe the plan is to make the official announcement of the NARTE Product Safety Engineer Cert'n program at the IEEE EMC Symposium (Boston-August). Patience, Little Grasshoppre, Patience. I do agree that the earlier announcement may have been a bit premature (and perhaps NARTE was overwhelmed by the response). Best regards, Art Michael -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- |http://www.safetylink.com | || | The Safety Link is the most comprehensive collection | |of product safety and standards links on the WEB| || | Int'l Product Safety News | |(It's our 15th Anniversary 1988-2003 | | P.O.Box 1561 - WWW | |Middletown CT 06457-8061 U.S.A. | | Phone: (860) 344-1651 Fax: (860) 346-9066 | | email: i...@safetylink.com| -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- [ On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, Peter L. Tarver wrote: I received what amounts to a courtesy response from NARTE this morning. It only took four weeks and as many weekly pleas for a response, including boosting the importance of the last e-mail. My confidence in the value of NARTE's program is uninspired. Regards, Peter L. Tarver, PE Product Safety Manager Sanmina-SCI Homologation Services San Jose, CA peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com From: Peter L. Tarver Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 6:03 AM Out of curiosity, I wrote NARTE directly regarding the below, to see what benefit they believe NARTE certification would offer someone who already has experience in product safety and a PE Registration. It's been a week and they have not responded. Perhaps that's their answer. Regards, Peter L. Tarver, PE Product Safety Manager Sanmina-SCI Homologation Services San Jose, CA peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com From: gr...@test4safety.com Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 2:48 PM It’s also worth noting that NARTE will begin the Grandfathering phase for their Certified Product Safety Engineer/Technician award: you can get more information by registering on the 501(c)(iii) (Charity) site of www.eGlobalEd.Org Best regards Gregg --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: NARTE safety engineer certification
I received what amounts to a courtesy response from NARTE this morning. It only took four weeks and as many weekly pleas for a response, including boosting the importance of the last e-mail. My confidence in the value of NARTE's program is uninspired. Regards, Peter L. Tarver, PE Product Safety Manager Sanmina-SCI Homologation Services San Jose, CA peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com From: Peter L. Tarver Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 6:03 AM Out of curiosity, I wrote NARTE directly regarding the below, to see what benefit they believe NARTE certification would offer someone who already has experience in product safety and a PE Registration. It's been a week and they have not responded. Perhaps that's their answer. Regards, Peter L. Tarver, PE Product Safety Manager Sanmina-SCI Homologation Services San Jose, CA peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com From: gr...@test4safety.com Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 2:48 PM It’s also worth noting that NARTE will begin the Grandfathering phase for their Certified Product Safety Engineer/Technician award: you can get more information by registering on the 501(c)(iii) (Charity) site of www.eGlobalEd.Org Best regards Gregg This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
FW: NARTE safety engineer certification
Gregg, My intention was certainly NOT to inflame. My sincere, whole-hearted apology. Your time, effort, and financial committment to creating/providing a certification for safety engineers will certainly be appreciated by all. I certainly appreciate it. This is a noble committment and a noble cause. Uninformed, I certainly was (and I don't think I was alone). Until I received this email from you, I did not know this was taking place. I appreciate your detailed description of what has been going on with eGlobal Education Partnership, as I'm sure many others on this list are interested as well. Apparently, others have inquired, and also received no response or acknowledgement, from you or NARTE. Once again, no flame intended. As far as uninformed liable is concerned, I believe this to be an oxy-moron. Liable involves some kind of malicious intent to destroy which was definitely not the case. Might I suggest, since you are preparing a workshop for the IEEE in Boston, that you provide some details to this list, so that we all might be informed. Lack of communication and information always seems to cause problems, while having information leads to confidence and assurance. I believe we all would benefit from information you have on this program. I hope that you can provide some for our benefit. I also hope that you accept my public apology, there was never any flame intended. If not, please feel free to contact me off-line to resolve the issue. Thanks, Mike Cantwell, PE, NCE Cantwell Engineering LLC 1232 Rio Grande Dr. Allen, TX 75013 Tel: (214) 547-1666 Cell: (469) 831-8701 mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org or mailto:mcantw...@leapfroginet.com AIM: CantwellEMC From: Gregg Kervill [mailto:gr...@test4safety.com]On Behalf Of gr...@eglobaled.org Sent: Wednesday, 09 July, 2003 12:17 PM To: 'Mike Cantwell' Cc: ri...@ieee.org; j.bac...@ieee.org Subject: RE: NARTE safety engineer certification Importance: High Mike, The word HOAX is more than a little inflammatory - and when used against a legitimate IRS certified 501 (c) (iii) legal issues are raised. For your information:- * I have been working with NARTE on this safety engineer certification project since the mid 90's * I formed the non-profit (eGlobal Education Partnership) at considerable cost and nine months of legal negotiations with the IRS - it has become extremely difficult to get the (c)(iii) designation. * I have created a board that includes the Director of a key US government institute plus and members of large corporations and government departments in the US - New Zealand - China and elsewhere - I am sure that this group - who are devoting their time for the advancement of you and others will be delight to be branded as participants in a HOAX publicly by you. * I am currently developing free regulatory training material that will be hosted on the eGlobal Education Partnership site - for the betterment of engineers world-wide In short I have put several thousand hours of my time PLUS many thousands of dollars into developing eGlobal and do not intend to let it be destroyed by uninformed liable. I believe that a PUBLIC apology would be a good starting place. Gregg Kervill DipIM, MIMgt, MIEEE Member of IEEE-EMCS Education Committee Member of World Congress on IT committee (WCIT2006.org) From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Mike Cantwell Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 9:32 AM To: Emc-Pstc Subject: RE: NARTE safety engineer certification I responded to the website below (which does not seem to be related to NARTE) and also got no response. I do believe this is a HOAX. From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Peter L. Tarver Sent: Wednesday, 02 July, 2003 7:03 AM To: 'emc-pstc' Subject: NARTE safety engineer certification Out of curiosity, I wrote NARTE directly regarding the below, to see what benefit they believe NARTE certification would offer someone who already has experience in product safety and a PE Registration. It's been a week and they have not responded. Perhaps that's their answer. Regards, Peter L. Tarver, PE Product Safety Manager Sanmina-SCI Homologation Services San Jose, CA peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com From: gr...@test4safety.com Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 2:48 PM It's also worth noting that NARTE will begin the Grandfathering phase for their Certified Product Safety Engineer/Technician award: you can get more information by registering on the 501(c)(iii) (Charity) site of www.eGlobalEd.Org Best regards Gregg This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p
RE: NARTE safety engineer certification
Hi Kurt et al – Happy belated 4th – you were right – a little RR and visiting a client in West Texas. I shall be giving a workshop at IEEE Boston and supporting the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society and NARTE. All correspondence sent to grandfat...@eglobaled.org is automatically copied to NARTE and details of the NARTE certification and grandfathering will be sent when it is available. To reduce bandwidth please send ONLY ONCE and do not send to NARTE separately – otherwise you may receive multiple correspondence. Thanks and best regards Gregg From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Kurt Fischer Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 1:14 PM To: Scott Barrows; Peter L. Tarver; emc-pstc Subject: RE: NARTE safety engineer certification Hi Scott and all, The web site is reputable and the organization is run by Greg Kervill who may be on vacation / travel and not responding to the emails right now. Whomever is interested in this program I suggest you contact Greg and/or NARTE. Regards, Kurt
NARTE safety engineer certification
Out of curiosity, I wrote NARTE directly regarding the below, to see what benefit they believe NARTE certification would offer someone who already has experience in product safety and a PE Registration. It's been a week and they have not responded. Perhaps that's their answer. Regards, Peter L. Tarver, PE Product Safety Manager Sanmina-SCI Homologation Services San Jose, CA peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com From: gr...@test4safety.com Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 2:48 PM It’s also worth noting that NARTE will begin the Grandfathering phase for their Certified Product Safety Engineer/Technician award: you can get more information by registering on the 501(c)(iii) (Charity) site of www.eGlobalEd.Org Best regards Gregg This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: NARTE safety engineer certification
I responded to the website below (which does not seem to be related to NARTE) and also got no response. I do believe this is a HOAX. From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Peter L. Tarver Sent: Wednesday, 02 July, 2003 7:03 AM To: 'emc-pstc' Subject: NARTE safety engineer certification Out of curiosity, I wrote NARTE directly regarding the below, to see what benefit they believe NARTE certification would offer someone who already has experience in product safety and a PE Registration. It's been a week and they have not responded. Perhaps that's their answer. Regards, Peter L. Tarver, PE Product Safety Manager Sanmina-SCI Homologation Services San Jose, CA peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com From: gr...@test4safety.com Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 2:48 PM It’s also worth noting that NARTE will begin the Grandfathering phase for their Certified Product Safety Engineer/Technician award: you can get more information by registering on the 501(c)(iii) (Charity) site of www.eGlobalEd.Org Best regards Gregg This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: NARTE safety engineer certification
Hi Peter: Out of curiosity, I wrote NARTE directly regarding the below, to see what benefit they believe NARTE certification would offer someone who already has experience in product safety and a PE Registration. It's been a week and they have not responded. Perhaps that's their answer. I asked for their registration forms. I have yet the hear from them. Best regards, Rich This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: NARTE safety engineer certification
Hi Pete, Funny you should mention that - It has been a year since this was decided and getting info is like pulling teeth. I have yet to hear back from this latest ad also. Website was cool!! Scott - Original Message - From: Peter L. Tarver mailto:peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com To: 'emc-pstc' mailto:emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 9:03 AM Subject: NARTE safety engineer certification Out of curiosity, I wrote NARTE directly regarding the below, to see what benefit they believe NARTE certification would offer someone who already has experience in product safety and a PE Registration. It's been a week and they have not responded. Perhaps that's their answer. Regards, Peter L. Tarver, PE Product Safety Manager Sanmina-SCI Homologation Services San Jose, CA peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com From: gr...@test4safety.com Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 2:48 PM It's also worth noting that NARTE will begin the Grandfathering phase for their Certified Product Safety Engineer/Technician award: you can get more information by registering on the 501(c)(iii) (Charity) site of www.eGlobalEd.Org Best regards Gregg This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: NARTE safety engineer certification
I to responded to the organization and have yet to hear back. However, mine request was only a few days ago. Bryan. From: Scott Barrows To: Peter L. Tarver; 'emc-pstc' Sent: 7/2/03 11:38 AM Subject: Re: NARTE safety engineer certification Hi Pete, Funny you should mention that - It has been a year since this was decided and getting info is like pulling teeth. I have yet to hear back from this latest ad also. Website was cool!! Scott - Original Message - From: Peter L. Tarver mailto:peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com To: 'emc-pstc' mailto:emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 9:03 AM Subject: NARTE safety engineer certification Out of curiosity, I wrote NARTE directly regarding the below, to see what benefit they believe NARTE certification would offer someone who already has experience in product safety and a PE Registration. It's been a week and they have not responded. Perhaps that's their answer. Regards, Peter L. Tarver, PE Product Safety Manager Sanmina-SCI Homologation Services San Jose, CA peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com mailto:peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com From: gr...@test4safety.com mailto:gr...@test4safety.com Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 2:48 PM It's also worth noting that NARTE will begin the Grandfathering phase for their Certified Product Safety Engineer/Technician award: you can get more information by registering on the 501(c)(iii) (Charity) site of www.eGlobalEd.Org http://www.eGlobalEd.Org Best regards Gregg This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org mailto:majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com mailto:emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com mailto:emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org mailto:ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: NARTE safety engineer certification
Hi Scott and all, The web site is reputable and the organization is run by Greg Kervill who may be on vacation / travel and not responding to the emails right now. Whomever is interested in this program I suggest you contact Greg and/or NARTE. Regards, Kurt From: Scott Barrows [mailto:sbarr...@curtis-straus.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 8:38 AM To: Peter L. Tarver; 'emc-pstc' Subject: Re: NARTE safety engineer certification Hi Pete, Funny you should mention that - It has been a year since this was decided and getting info is like pulling teeth. I have yet to hear back from this latest ad also. Website was cool!! Scott - Original Message - From: Peter L. Tarver mailto:peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com To: 'emc-pstc' mailto:emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 9:03 AM Subject: NARTE safety engineer certification Out of curiosity, I wrote NARTE directly regarding the below, to see what benefit they believe NARTE certification would offer someone who already has experience in product safety and a PE Registration. It's been a week and they have not responded. Perhaps that's their answer. Regards, Peter L. Tarver, PE Product Safety Manager Sanmina-SCI Homologation Services San Jose, CA peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com From: gr...@test4safety.com Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 2:48 PM It's also worth noting that NARTE will begin the Grandfathering phase for their Certified Product Safety Engineer/Technician award: you can get more information by registering on the 501(c)(iii) (Charity) site of www.eGlobalEd.Org Best regards Gregg This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
