[PSES] IEC 61000-4-8: Tolerance values for coil current values

2019-01-17 Thread Richard Georgerian
Greeting colleagues, In IEC 61000-4-8, Table 4 (see below), are there any tolerance values specified for the Current values for coils to achieve the specific Level, for example, +/-30% of 1.15 or +/-3dB of 1.15? I did not see any guidance as to the tolerances that might be applied to Table 4.

Re: [PSES] Brexit requirements for UK manufacturers.

2019-01-17 Thread John Woodgate
The UK can and will recognize the CE Mark after Brexit (if and when), but British manufactures will not be allowed to put it on their products, because it is 'Conformité Européen'. Best wishes John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK

Re: [PSES] Brexit requirements for UK manufacturers.

2019-01-17 Thread Richard Nute
Andy answered my question in posting the reference: Products that have undergone the complete process of manufacturing and conformity assessment (i.e. which are ready for placing on the market) can still be placed on the UK market with a CE Marking after 29 March 2019. Rich -

Re: [PSES] Brexit requirements for UK manufacturers.

2019-01-17 Thread John Woodgate
I suspect that only applies during the 'transition period', simply to avoid an instant change in the requirements. If it were a permanent arrangement, no 'UK Mark' would ever be required. Best wishes John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh,

Re: [PSES] Brexit requirements for UK manufacturers.

2019-01-17 Thread Dennis Ward
Simple answer – because the requirements of the EU are all necessarily the requirements of other regimes. CE shows an assumption of compliance to EU, it does not show or assume compliance to any other regime unless that regime has identical requirements or unless that regime is willing to

[PSES] Product Safety Specialist required near Toronto

2019-01-17 Thread Kevin J Harris
Dear Colleagues In our Concord (suburb north of Toronto, Canada) location we have an opening for a product safety specialist for our small A2LA accredited product safety laboratory. We are looking not only for someone who is familiar with testing to EN/IEC 60950 and IEC 62368 but equally

Re: [PSES] Brexit requirements for UK manufacturers.

2019-01-17 Thread Dennis Ward
Ops should be “…the requirements of the EU are NOT all necessarily….” Dennis Ward This communication and its attachements contain information from PCTEST Engineering Laboratory, Inc., and is intended for the exclusive use of the recipient(s) named above. It may contain information that is

[PSES] CISPR11 Rad Magnetic Field Emissions Limits

2019-01-17 Thread Kunde, Brian
Reference CISPR11/EN55011:2016 version. If you are an expert at the Radiated Emissions test from 150Khz -30Mhz for Class A Group 2 equipment, I could really use your help. I haven't done this test in over 25 years. I refurbished our Active Loop antenna and placed it 10 meters from the EUT. I

Re: [PSES] Brexit requirements for UK manufacturers.

2019-01-17 Thread John Woodgate
This is an important issue. It's one thing for the UK to accept European standards (ENs) /*as standards*, /but the European Court decision that ENs are 'part of EU law' changes the picture considerably.  If UK continues to endorse ENs as BS ENs after the transition period, it is accepting EU

Re: [PSES] CISPR11 Rad Magnetic Field Emissions Limits

2019-01-17 Thread John Woodgate
Well, no it isn't. The definition of the decibel is based on power, and is only extended to voltage and current by adding the assumption that the resistance is constant.  There is no formally-correct way of extending it to resistance and even less to impedance. There is a fatal flaw:  Consider

Re: [PSES] Brexit requirements for UK manufacturers.

2019-01-17 Thread Laura Stevens
Hi Andrew, Your summarization of the changes was very helpful. The replacement of the CE mark by a UK mark caught my attention. Are you aware of any documentation released by the UK on what the new UK mark may look like? Thank you *Laura Stevens* Sr. Compliance Engineer 2221 W Camden Road,

Re: [PSES] IEC 61000-4-8: Tolerance values for coil current values

2019-01-17 Thread John Woodgate
This applies to most standards - no tolerances. Instead, the measurement uncertainty has to be estimated, and in some cases it must not exceed a specified value. Best wishes John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2019-01-17 17:21,

Re: [PSES] Brexit requirements for UK manufacturers.

2019-01-17 Thread Richard Nute
* CE mark is replaced by UK mark. Hmm. I wonder why the UK or any country can’t recognize the CE mark as indicative of the relevant performance of the product? Rich - This message is from the IEEE

Re: [PSES] CISPR11 Rad Magnetic Field Emissions Limits

2019-01-17 Thread Ken Javor
You are making too much of it. If the limit is in terms of dBuA/m, you use the loop magnetic field antenna factor, which is 51.5 dB less efficient than the loop electric field antenna factor. Of course, this is based on a far field assumption, and that is all you have available. But the

Re: [PSES] CISPR11 Rad Magnetic Field Emissions Limits

2019-01-17 Thread John Woodgate
To fill in, that 51.5 dB  = 375.84 numerically and comes from the impedance of free space, 120*π = 376.99 ohms. which is actually 51.5266 expressed in 'decibels'. Actually, expressing an impedance in 'decibels' is a illegal operation 'but it works, so why bother?'. Best wishes John Woodgate

Re: [PSES] CISPR11 Rad Magnetic Field Emissions Limits

2019-01-17 Thread Ken Javor
It would be completely correct to say that the 51.5 dB factor is dB above one ohm, which is the difference in magnetic and electric field units. Ken Javor Phone: (256) 650-5261 From: John Woodgate Reply-To: John Woodgate Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 22:11:50 + To: Subject: Re: [PSES] CISPR11

Re: [PSES] Brexit requirements for UK manufacturers.

2019-01-17 Thread Andrew Wood
Just to clear up a bit of confusion (whilst staying well clear of politics) The link given by Scott ie

Re: [PSES] Brexit requirements for UK manufacturers.

2019-01-17 Thread Andrew Wood
Ian I don't know if you have seen the guidelines on this page? https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/trading-goods-regulated-under-the-new-approach-if-theres-no-brexit-deal/trading-goods-regulated-under-the-new-approach-if-theres-no-brexit-deal Andy From: McBurney, Ian Sent: 16 January

Re: [PSES] CISPR11 Rad Magnetic Field Emissions Limits

2019-01-17 Thread Cortland Richmond
The bottom line here is that the usual emission standards don't take into account that the non-radiating near H-field falls off as the cube of distance (an issue with BPL, remember) and the wave impedance in this area is nowhere near 120 Ohms.   Measuring at 3 meters using 51.5 dB as a

Re: [PSES] Brexit requirements for UK manufacturers.

2019-01-17 Thread Nyffenegger, Dave
And another answer, North America doesn’t recognize the CE mark, not only because of standards differences but they don’t trust manufacturer self-certification. They want certification by nationally recognized independent labs, for US OSHA recognized. -Dave From: Dennis Ward

Re: [PSES] Brexit requirements for UK manufacturers.

2019-01-17 Thread Pete Perkins
Andrew, Thanx for the pointer to this proposed comprehensive Brexit update to the UK Legislation. This was a lot of work pulling this together. Hopefully it will be used to provide a smooth transition from the present CE marked equipment to the new UK marking.

[PSES] KDB 896810

2019-01-17 Thread DEREK WALTON
Good day folks, does anyone have a copy of this KDB they can forward please. I made the mistake of relying on the US government to host the information. Thanks, Derek. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering

Re: [PSES] KDB 896810

2019-01-17 Thread Scott Douglas
Derek, Try here: *http://tinyurl.com/y8lgbzmy *Scott On 1/17/2019 5:47 PM, DEREK WALTON wrote: Good day folks, does anyone have a copy of this KDB they can forward please. I made the mistake of relying on the US government to host the information. Thanks, Derek. -