Re: [PSES] Protect An EMI Receiver

2011-12-27 Thread Doug Powell
. And don't forget to correct your readings for this. It may seem counter intuitive, but using a small value pad and then turning on the preamp has worked well for me. All the best in the New Year, Doug Powell Sent with Xobni Mobile - http://xobni.com/mobile Sent from my Verizon Wireless

Re: [PSES] Protect An EMI Receiver

2011-12-27 Thread Doug Powell
level. 0 Hz - 30 MHz Doug Powell Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: doug...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 16:47:18 To: Grace Lingraceli...@gmail.com; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Reply-To: doug...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PSES] Protect An EMI Receiver

Re: [PSES] Protect An EMI Receiver

2011-12-27 Thread Doug Powell
contractors and operating these devices while under load can cause huge inductive spikes on the LISN. - Doug Powell Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Ken Javor ken.ja...@emccompliance.com Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 12:03:23 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG

Re: [PSES] Protect An EMI Receiver

2011-12-27 Thread Doug Powell
The CISPR 16, 5 uH LISN. Doug Powell Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Ken Javor ken.ja...@emccompliance.com Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 13:40:13 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Reply-To: Ken Javor ken.ja...@emccompliance.com Subject: Re: [PSES

Re: [PSES] A compliance archival query

2012-01-03 Thread Doug Powell
Sharepoint is a good solution, so long as the servers on the back-end have a robust backup system. In the last couple of years I went through some difficulty in proving this was true for my ISO 17025 lab certification efforts. The problem I found was the I.T. department policies, or rather

[PSES] Experts and Wisdom

2012-01-03 Thread Doug Powell
All, With some folks retiring and others I know are changing careers (recently termed “retooling”), I had some pensive thoughts about losing many folks who are experts in the field or those with great wisdom. So it occurs to me, I would like to hear your favorite quotes on Wisdom and

Re: [PSES] EMC-PSTC Email List Subscriber Status as of January 4, 2012

2012-01-16 Thread Doug Powell
The numbers are down somewhat. I seem to recall the late 1990s we were about 800 strong. Doug Douglas E Powell doug...@gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Date:

Re: [PSES] EMC-PSTC Email List Subscriber Status as of January 4, 2012

2012-01-16 Thread Doug Powell
of the economy? Ed Price El Cajon, CA USA -Original Message- From: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 6:58 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EMC-PSTC Email List Subscriber Status as of January 4, 2012 The numbers are down

[PSES] Discovery warns of catastrophic failure of lithium-ion batteries : Johns Hopkins University – The Gazette

2012-01-17 Thread Doug Powell
This discovery has a lot of potential. A self-monitoring battery could easily signal for help or open an interlock. If caught early enough, a thermal runaway might be averted. This could be especially important on large devices like electric vehicles or charge controllers.

Re: [PSES] Is this common knowledge - Electrical Ratings

2012-01-28 Thread Doug Powell
This discussion has become interesting. Possibly ratings are common knowledge and possibly not. I'm sure everyone has an awareness of ratings, but do they have an understanding? And if they don't, do ratings serve any purpose for the end user? I suggest most people understand they must

[PSES] IEC 6010-1 vs MIL STD

2012-01-31 Thread Doug Powell
Hi all, Is there a particular U.S. Military standard which could be considered an approximate equivalent to IEC 61010-1? Sometimes military and commercial standards do parallel in some ways. Thanks! Doug Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -

Re: [PSES] Rating Label Nomenclature for Auto Voltage Select Devices

2012-02-07 Thread Doug Powell
To my knowledge there is no internationally accepted symbol specifically for this. However, the ! symbol in a triangle directs the user to refer to documentation before installing/using. In the user documents is where you would detail this info in the language of the region. Doug Douglas E

[PSES] EN/IEC 61010-1 Ed. 3 - Color Coding

2012-02-15 Thread Doug Powell
All, It seems there is a change in 61010-1 regarding the exclusive use to green / yellow color coded parts. In the past these colors were reserved solely for the use of the protective conductor, and protective bonding devices. This is generally true of safety standards based in or harminozed to

Re: [PSES] EU wiring code low voltage / medium voltage transition

2012-02-22 Thread Doug Powell
I realize this is not an authoritive page with regard to codes and standards but it has a good synopsis of the grid and power distribution. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_power_distribution Check the graphic on General layout of electricity networks -doug Douglas E Powell

Re: [PSES] Mains voltage in Europe

2012-03-21 Thread Doug Powell
These voltages, and more, all exist today. It depends on the system to which you are connected. The 110 is from a 220 split phase feed. Often this is from of a secondary of a delta connected transformer. Normally 120v is derived from a 208v three phase wye system. It is from one of the

Re: [PSES] receiving/approval processes under fire

2012-03-29 Thread Doug Powell
Excellent advice Rich. I am a proponent of “design for compliance” and have been for years. Getting involved early solves more than you can possibly know; if possible do it at the napkin design stage. Here is a list of ideas that immediately come to mind, there's probably much more. 1)

[PSES] So, what is up with the CENELEC website?

2012-04-03 Thread Doug Powell
For many years I have consistently seen broken web pages and defective search screens at CENELEC. Just today I tried again and several of their pages say: Service Temporarily Unavailable The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems.

[PSES] Fwd: So, what is up with the CENELEC website?

2012-04-05 Thread Doug Powell
I received many replies, public and private, and many people have assisted me, thank you! In particular, Gert Gremmen in The Netherlands was able to create a trouble ticket on the CENELEC web site and here is the response. I for one, will be flagging my shortcut to CENELEC with their expected

Re: [PSES] Color of Mains Wiring

2012-04-06 Thread Doug Powell
The man who taught me compliance said internal wires could be any color. This was back in the days of VDE 0160. And my certs went through LGA Nurnberg The exception was of course the ground circuit. There was strong direction to avoid confusion with DC circuits, especially the Red for

Re: [PSES] Color of Mains Wiring

2012-04-07 Thread Doug Powell
I think there is some variance in standards for green/yellow colors. I believe IEC 60204-1 has some guidance on the actual color mix, also standards for HAR wire should have this. The rule I have seen is for more than just a trace of color. Nominally the green/yellow mix should be 50%/50%.

Re: [PSES] ad code injection?

2012-04-10 Thread Doug Powell
I'm afraid these old solutions will not work for long. The new trend is all about the next level in tracking your browsing habits and targeted advertising. ALL web browsers are susceptible, that is if you want to keep modicum of functionality on the web these days. The list of susceptible

[PSES] IEC/EN 61010-1

2012-04-25 Thread Doug Powell
The in the acoustics section 12.5 of 61010-1 are the concepts of operator and bystander positions. The standard clearly states dimensions for the test room, yet it does not clearly state what distances are for personnel. Let's assume a control panel is mounted in a rack system, at eye-level, and

Re: [PSES] IEC/EN 61010-1

2012-04-25 Thread Doug Powell
the floor. The Other Brian *From:* emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] *On Behalf Of *Doug Powell *Sent:* Wednesday, April 25, 2012 12:47 PM *To:* emc-pstc *Subject:* IEC/EN 61010-1 The in the acoustics section 12.5 of 61010-1 are the concepts of operator and bystander positions

[PSES] PV test lab for efficiency

2012-05-04 Thread Doug Powell
All, I am seeking information on availability of a test lab, qualified to do CEC efficiency testing (Sandia protocol) for Solar PV with power capability of up to 500 kW. Preference is an accredited lab able to write a letter of attestation. Location is only of secondary concern. -- Thanks,

Re: [PSES] e-standard.org The cheapest standards in the world

2012-05-07 Thread Doug Powell
I set up a gmail account and went through the steps to buy a couple standards. The site seems to have a functioning shopping cart software and the privacy report says they are using https://payment_fashionpay_com/sslpayment as their shopping cart software. A quick InterNIC check of

[PSES] Hipot with in-circuit voltage limiting devices IEC 61010-1 3rd Ed.

2012-05-09 Thread Doug Powell
A change was made in 3rd Ed. for routine mains hipot tests while clamping devices are still in the circuit; specifically clause F.3.2 (Ed. 3). The standard states the test can be carried out at 0.9 times the clamping voltage of the device and not less than twice the working voltage. Edition 2

Re: [PSES] Hipot with in-circuit voltage limiting devices IEC 61010-1 3rd Ed.

2012-05-10 Thread Doug Powell
a nominal voltage of 650/0.9 = 720 V. Sounds like a letter to the Chair and Secretary of TC 66 is needed to resolve this matter. Regards Mick On 10/05/2012 00:27, Doug Powell wrote: A change was made in 3rd Ed. for routine mains hipot tests while clamping devices are still in the circuit

Re: [PSES] Hipot with in-circuit voltage limiting devices IEC 61010-1 3rd Ed.

2012-05-10 Thread Doug Powell
, 2012 12:00 PM *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG *Cc:* Doug Powell *Subject:* Re: [PSES] Hipot with in-circuit voltage limiting devices IEC 61010-1 3rd Ed. Doug, I wouldn't credit the TC 66 has having MOV component knowledge, just perceptions. Since my last message I have sent

Re: [PSES] Hipot with in-circuit voltage limiting devices IEC 61010-1 3rd Ed.

2012-05-10 Thread Doug Powell
The routine voltage test on mains is mandatory, but the method has options. This is how I read the standard. -- Thanks, -doug Douglas E Powell doug...@gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 2:04 PM, John Woodgate j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk wrote: In message

[PSES] Off the shelf or brick smps

2012-05-21 Thread Doug Powell
My question for today. What is the typical test setup for radiated EMC measurements of general purpose off the shelf switching power supply; is the resistor test load tightly coupled to the output terminals of the PSU or is it on a long wire and taken down the 80 cm of the table and out of the

Re: [PSES] EN 60950-1 INaccessible parts

2012-05-31 Thread Doug Powell
Gert, It would seem a motherboard is SELV circuitry and not subject to functional spacings or a dielectric test. Or am I misunderstanding your application? Doug Douglas E Powell doug...@gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original

[PSES] IEC 61010-1 6.7.1.4

2012-06-15 Thread Doug Powell
This is my Friday Question: What exactly is the point of IEC 61010-1:2010 section 6.7.1.4? It mentions requirements depend on factors in 6.7.1.1 a) to d), which by the way is true for all insulation, then provides a four paragraph tutorial on types of construction, electric strength, gaps,

[PSES] Ergonomics Aspects - arrangement of TERMINALS in IEC 61010:2010

2012-07-03 Thread Doug Powell
Greetings all, I would like someone to verify my thoughts in IEC 61010-1:2010 section 16.2 d) Ergonomics Aspects - arrangement of TERMINALS. This clause is a bit obscure (possibly incomplete) and to be honest makes no sense in the ways I have seen it used so far. This new section 16 is all

Re: [PSES] OSHA - NRTL audit question

2012-07-03 Thread Doug Powell
Brian, NRTLs are under to oversight of OSHA, although I was not aware they would do field surveys like this. See: http://www.osha.gov/dts/otpca/nrtl/ -- Thanks, -doug Douglas E Powell doug...@gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Brian Oconnell

Re: [PSES] ELF

2012-07-07 Thread Doug Powell
Being as he said no interest in E-Fields, I imagine it's about human exposure limits. And as always, it depends on where which jurisdiction is making requirements. Doug Douglas E Powell Compliance Engineering and Consulting http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 -Original Message- From:

Re: [PSES] Original Signed Reports Versus Digital Scanned Reports for EMC Technical Files

2012-07-09 Thread Doug Powell
Monrad, I am not aware of any need to save hard copy reports, especially after enough time has elapsed. Document retention in the EU for liability directive is still 10 years (you might double check that). Otherwise, I have been doing electronic submittals (of safety reports) to my

[PSES] IEC 61010-1:2010 section 5.4.4

2012-07-18 Thread Doug Powell
I'm curious, Why is this paragraph added near the end of the section? *If equipment conforming to IEC 60950 is used with equipment conforming to this standard, and if there is a HAZARD due to moisture or liquids, the instructions for use shall specify any additional precautions necessary.*

Re: [PSES] Ergonomics Aspects - arrangement of TERMINALS in IEC 61010:2010

2012-07-30 Thread Doug Powell
Douglas E Powell doug...@gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 On Jul 3, 2012, at 10:54 AM, Doug Powell doug...@gmail.comwrote: Greetings all, I would like someone to verify my thoughts in IEC 61010-1:2010 section 16.2 d) Ergonomics Aspects - arrangement of TERMINALS. This clause

Re: [PSES] Ergonomics Aspects - arrangement of TERMINALS in IEC 61010:2010

2012-07-30 Thread Doug Powell
existing CB reports to see how CABs are interpreting this mess that is called 61010-1. Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Doug Powell Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 7:59 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org; EMC-PSTC@listserv.ieee.org Subject

Re: [PSES] Ergonomics Aspects - arrangement of TERMINALS in IEC 61010:2010

2012-07-30 Thread Doug Powell
] On Behalf Of Doug Powell Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 10:36 AM To: Doug Nix Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Ergonomics Aspects - arrangement of TERMINALS in IEC 61010:2010 Brian and Doug, Thanks for the reply. My assertion is that 61010-1 section 16 is titled Hazards resulting from

[PSES] Ignition sources and exposure time

2012-08-15 Thread Doug Powell
Maybe I should have saved this for a Friday question, but here goes. This is a general question regarding ignition sources and exposure time. In reviewing the flammability (UL 94) tests and the hot wire ignition (UL 746) tests, it seems 30 seconds is the magic number for igniting the sample

Re: [PSES] Ignition sources and exposure time

2012-08-15 Thread Doug Powell
know...) More comments? -doug On 8/15/12, John Woodgate j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk wrote: In message cabyvtvny1rjvr5g8moofwhm43wpbooszi0yrefkimxx6dvg...@mail.gmail.com, dated Wed, 15 Aug 2012, Doug Powell doug...@gmail.com writes: For example the UL 94 test is a 30 second exposure to a 50W flame

Re: [PSES] EC vs EU suffix

2012-08-16 Thread Doug Powell
And the CE mark, what happens to it? CE = Communauté Européenne -- Thanks, -doug Douglas E Powell doug...@gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 On 8/16/12, peter_kelle...@dell.com peter_kelle...@dell.com wrote: EU = European Union EC = European Community The Treaty of Lisbon

Re: [PSES] EC vs EU suffix

2012-08-16 Thread Doug Powell
[mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Doug Powell Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 2:30 PM To: peter_kelle...@dell.com Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EC vs EU suffix And the CE mark, what happens to it? CE = Communauté Européenne -- Thanks, -doug Douglas E Powell

Re: [PSES] EC vs EU suffix

2012-08-16 Thread Doug Powell
] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 2:44 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EC vs EU suffix Conformité Européenne -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Doug Powell Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 2:30 PM To: peter_kelle

Re: [PSES] Light Bulb provokquium

2012-08-24 Thread Doug Powell
Personal opinion only... Make the alternative bulbs economically competitive and dump the legislation. -- Thanks, -doug Douglas E Powell doug...@gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 On 8/24/12, Pearson, John john.pear...@polycom.com wrote: Hi Any opinions on this?

Re: [PSES] Light Bulb provokquium

2012-08-24 Thread Doug Powell
] Light Bulb provokquium In message CAByvTVPDdQ343GbF8=AxXZSgajd7cvH1Q=P2zp98Q+QHAD-=c...@mail.gmail.com, dated Fri, 24 Aug 2012, Doug Powell doug...@gmail.com writes: Make the alternative bulbs economically competitive and dump the legislation. Chicken and egg; the industry wouldn't have spend

Re: [PSES] Light Bulb provokquium

2012-08-24 Thread Doug Powell
Very true, all new inventions do cost more at first. That's why investors were invented. Now a few companies have learned how to get various legal entities to mandate their products find a market. -doug On 8/24/12, Ken Javor ken.ja...@emccompliance.com wrote: The EMC Compliance screen room

Re: [PSES] another cell phone battery

2012-08-28 Thread Doug Powell
Blazing Saddles http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc

Re: [PSES] Capacitor rating for mains useage

2012-08-31 Thread Doug Powell
Ken, Even though they may have a DC rating that exceeds the AC Peak of the line. There are more factors. Line rated caps also have surge ratings, typically in the kV range. Derek mentioned the X an Y series and surge is one of the main attributes of this type. I once had an RF engineer

[PSES] A curiosity question

2012-09-04 Thread Doug Powell
All, I have noticed many IEC publications (in PDF) have a series of symbol embedded in varying locations on every page. They consist of string of punctuation marks. This sample string is somewhat randomized but it is representative. -``--`-`,,`,,,`,`,,`,`,,`--,,`-`,`,`,`,,`--- Is this

[PSES] MOV failure detection

2012-09-23 Thread Doug Powell
Aside from all the regulatory issues of leakage current and nasty failure modes of MOVs. What methods have been used to detect a failed transient suppression device in equipment? Or, is there some expectation the devices will survive a warranty period and that alone is good enough? Seems

Re: [PSES] MOV failure detection

2012-09-23 Thread Doug Powell
Fred, While MOVs tend to be messy and TSBs can short both of these devices can fail in an open state as well. Or, the device shorts and a protection fuse may open. At which time the transient device is open, protection it afforded is gone and the equipment continues to operate. This is the

Re: [PSES] MOV failure detection

2012-09-24 Thread Doug Powell
Don, Voltage sensing the fuse is useful on any line which has enough voltage with respect to earth. The MOV tied to the neutral is much more difficult to detect in this way. However, I would venture to say that this MOV is not subjected to so many impulses as the other. The line-to-line

Re: [PSES] MOV failure detection

2012-09-24 Thread Doug Powell
Don, I say this because one of the foreseeable operating modes in several standards is the reversal of line and neutral. This can also become an undetectable situation in many product designs. IN addition, most EMI filter designers who incorporate MOVs will place them symmetrically on Line and

Re: [PSES] MOV failure detection

2012-09-25 Thread Doug Powell
True enough. However I have seen when MOVs have been directly connected to earth when Recognized using UL 1449. If not, there are schemes where spark gaps are placed in series to limit leakage. Spark gaps do have their own special concerns. -doug http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01

[PSES] What's the deal with Wire Nuts?

2012-10-08 Thread Doug Powell
At the risk of redundancy, I would like to re-open a question from 2008 What's the deal with Wire Nuts? http://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/msg56599.html The original discussion seems to track well with my own opinion on the use of these wiring devices, but this is based my

Re: [PSES] Question about power line harmonics testing

2012-10-09 Thread Doug Powell
I know of IEC 61000-3-2:2005-11, 3rd edition. Is it possibly a typo? Doug Douglas E Powell Independent Compliance Consultant 970-646-3732 http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 -Original Message- From: Knighten, Jim L jim.knigh...@teradata.com Date:

Re: [PSES] What's the deal with Wire Nuts?

2012-10-09 Thread Doug Powell
-Original Message- From: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 10:45 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] What's the deal with Wire Nuts? At the risk of redundancy, I would like to re-open a question from 2008 What's the deal with Wire Nuts? http

Re: [PSES] Revisions

2012-11-09 Thread Doug Powell
I am not aware of regulatory requirement that HW and SW numbers must be somehow synchronized, even for functional safety. However, whatever numbering scheme you choose must be traceable to the model and shipped serial number. This is becoming even more important a companies start using more of

Re: [PSES] Why use an MOV?

2012-12-15 Thread Doug Powell
In the case of IEC 61010-1 Ed 3, it is possible to reduce clearance requirements utilizing Annex K. In another case, say you have a brick power supply approve for use in OV Cat II but your application has an extended environmental condition of OV Cat III. In order to use this power supply,

Re: [PSES] Why use an MOV?

2012-12-16 Thread Doug Powell
I would think the device only needs to pass the required surge testing of EN61000-4-5 as well as associated EFT/Burst and Ringwave, if required. Doug Douglas E Powell http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 --Original Message-- From: Richard Nute To: Doug Powell To: EMC-PSTC ReplyTo

Re: [PSES] Why use an MOV?

2012-12-16 Thread Doug Powell
the device only needs to pass the required surge testing of EN61000-4-5 as well as associated EFT/Burst and Ringwave, if required. Doug Douglas E Powell http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 --Original Message-- From: Richard Nute To: Doug Powell To: EMC-PSTC ReplyTo: Richard Nute

Re: [PSES] Why use an MOV?

2012-12-16 Thread Doug Powell
John, The susceptible components in a filter are the Y and X capacitors. Y are for line to earth connections. These are typically rated and certified as Y1, Y2, etc. This rating is specific to the surge withstand capability in the IEC component test standard. Similarly the X capacitors

Re: [PSES] Why use an MOV?

2012-12-17 Thread Doug Powell
John, It appears 60936 may be withdrawn, try EN 132400. In any case, I believe filters are generally safety certified without use of MOVs, not mandatory. I have asked vendors to add these to a custom filter and to the requirements of other product standards such as EN 60950, EN 61010-1 or EN

Re: [PSES] Why use an MOV?

2012-12-17 Thread Doug Powell
John, Sorry, typo. So now I'm not certain I understand what you are asking. Can you clarify? Doug Douglas E Powell http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 -Original Message- From: John Woodgate j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012

Re: [PSES] Ball drop test and Impact hammer test ... IEC60950-1 2005 and UL, CSA variation

2013-01-08 Thread Doug Powell
Typically the spring loaded impact hammer is 0.5 Joules, the 50mm steel sphere is 5.0 Joules when doing the vertical or pendulum drop. Doug Douglas E Powell http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 -Original Message- From: sudhakar wasnik

Re: [PSES] Ball drop test and Impact hammer test ... IEC60950-1 2005 and UL, CSA variation

2013-01-08 Thread Doug Powell
Yes you can, just make sure it meets IK08 requirements in mass, size and is calibrated. You can either purchase the IEC/EN 62262 reference document for impact testing or use this link for guidance, the data is accurate http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EN_62262 All the best, Doug Douglas E

Re: [PSES] Telescopes

2013-01-21 Thread Doug Powell
Derek, I could be wrong, but I don't believe there is a product standard for telescopes in general. But if you have a motor-driven tracking system, there will be something needed for this portion of the product; for CE marking and entry into Europe. This will include electrical / mechanical

Re: [PSES] NRTL North of the 40th parallel - Off Topic

2013-03-04 Thread Doug Powell
Interesting discussion about the 40th parallel. As it turns out the exploration of the American territories in years past has often involved this line. I personally drive across this delimiter every day, traveling to and from work. My workplace in Louisville Colorado is at latitude 39.96745

Re: [PSES] 3D passive glasses

2013-04-16 Thread Doug Powell
Scott, I would think this is a toy. They may also be considered an accessory to audio/video equipment, although there is nothing electrical about the device itself. They certainly would have child appealing aspects. Just my personal thoughts on this, Doug Keep your face always toward the

Re: [PSES] USB output limitation

2013-05-27 Thread Doug Powell
All, Regardless of a connector's ampacity, you should always refer to the USB specification and its limits. I cannot vouch for how much current a manufacturer may decide to put on the port, but if they exceed the USB standard, they are outside the spec. Conversely manufacturers sometimes

Re: [PSES] USB charging

2013-05-27 Thread Doug Powell
Nice article. It begs the question, is this the new de facto standard for powering digital appliances? Doug Douglas E Powell http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 -Original Message- From: Curt McNamara mcnam...@umn.edu Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 12:39:08 To:

[PSES] Keytek PK1001D diff probe

2013-07-10 Thread Doug Powell
All, Does anyone happen to know where I can find a specificaiton or data sheet for the Keytek PK1001D 6kV differential probe that includes the input impedance? I thought this would be easy but it's turning into a challenge. Thanks, -doug -

Re: [PSES] Lock washers for bolted bonding connections

2013-07-18 Thread Doug Powell
To my knowledge, IEC-based standards do not specify this. If there is a requirement, possibly a local governing entity has required this. Sometimes the national code of a EU member country imposes additional requirements.

Re: [PSES] Standards Dates

2013-08-08 Thread Doug Powell
Once you purchase the standard, all information about this current edition is included in the front matter including effect effective dates. That is, dates when it becomes mandatory. Thanks -doug

Re: [PSES] Standards Dates

2013-08-12 Thread Doug Powell
There is an additional wrinkle. Although the 3rd edition of 61010-1 is available in North American at some NRTLs. There are virtually no Part 2 standards available to go with it. Technically you cannot use a Part 2 intended for edition 2 with edition 3. The committees are now under the gun to

Re: [PSES] Standards free, by law, in the USA?

2013-08-26 Thread Doug Powell
Seems to me the proper people were notified and due diligent has been exercised. If they cannot seem to get all of their ducks into one row, it is an issue they must deal with. thanks, –doug Douglas E Powell doug...@gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01

Re: [PSES] Spark Gap PCB Layout on AC Mains

2013-09-06 Thread Doug Powell
Brian, I am personally opposed to such an idea. The first time I saw this was circa 1982 on an electronic security system; designed to tie into the public telephone network. The manufacturer wanted additional protection above the outdoor surge protector. The design involved two parallel

Re: [PSES] Spark Gap PCB Layout on AC Mains

2013-09-06 Thread Doug Powell
From: Joe RandolphSent: Friday, September 6, 2013 1:05 PMTo: Doug Powell; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGSubject: Re: [PSES] Spark Gap PCB Layout on AC Mains Hi Doug: You mention

Re: [PSES] Spark Gap PCB Layout on AC Mains

2013-09-06 Thread Doug Powell
doug...@gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 From: Joe Randolph Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 11:34 AM To: Doug Powell ; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Spark Gap PCB Layout on AC Mains Hi Doug: I think we are in agreement about some of the pitfalls of spark gaps

Re: [PSES] Using an IEC60950 power supply to power an EN61010 equipment

2013-09-24 Thread Doug Powell
Gary,One other concern you should be aware of. With 60950, the majority of products are evaluated to Overvoltage Category II, while it is possible that your 61010-1 product is evaluated to OV Cat III. This will have a significant effect on determination of your minimum clearance requirements as

Re: Thermocouple alternative?

2002-01-07 Thread Doug Powell
John, In my company, I often run into this problem and a non-contact or infrared thermometer is not always pratical. Like you, I also had to resort to momentary turn off to get accurate readings. In one instance, I had magentic fields strong enough to cause damage to the instrument. There

Re: [PSES] For indoor use only

2013-09-28 Thread Doug Powell
Title: For indoor use only For the restricting of use by children, the latest editions of IEC Standards are including foreseeable risk as a potential hazard. In concept, this would include use of an appliance by children when used in household or other places when children are present. Factors

[PSES] Job titles

2013-09-30 Thread Doug Powell
All,Of all the people on this forum I'm certain we all share to some extent the same quandary.I am currently searching for work either as full time or as contract. Part of the coaching I received is to develop a 30 second elevator speech to describe myself to almost anyone. One of the

Re: [PSES] Job titles

2013-10-04 Thread Doug Powell
: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 6:18 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Job titles All, Of all the people on this forum I'm certain we all share to some extent the same quandary. I am currently searching for work either as full time

Re: [PSES] Standards copyright lawsuit

2013-10-07 Thread Doug Powell
CortlandI am not certain you speed limit example explains the point you are trying to make.Here in Colorado we have the Colorado Revised Statutes, or CRS. In these laws are all the requirements for citizens to follow so they are in compliance with the law. In practice posted speed limits are akin

Re: [PSES] What is a Test Plan?

2013-10-10 Thread Doug Powell
Anthony,If you are testing to one of the various IEC safety standards or an IEC-derived standard or CISPR standards, there are many official test report forms (TRF) available on the IECEE website. You can ask your agency for a copy. I would suggest that any table or entry in the TRF requiring

Re: [PSES] Rated Power vs Active Input Power per 61000-3-2

2013-10-10 Thread Doug Powell
Grace, The term active power is sometimes used instead of real power, both mean the same thing and both are contrasted with reactive power. As John states, the rated power is the manufacturer's own claim and sometimes there is very little real science that goes into this number. In the

Re: [PSES] Rated Power vs Active Input Power per 61000-3-2

2013-10-11 Thread Doug Powell
All, This is topic that often confuses people and I have personally wrangled with it for many years. In that time, I have developed a procedure which have served me well enough. In the end it comes down to validation by testing. This product engineer may have “calculated” a rating or even

Re: [PSES] Test computers

2013-10-15 Thread Doug Powell
Am I missing something (always possible). Is the test computer in the RF test field or outside the test field?If only required for the test setup and not part of the device under test and you are doing radiated emissions and immunity, a long I/O cable with a bunch of ferrite and / or a decoupling

Re: [PSES] AC input test voltages - requirement for grounded phase?

2013-10-23 Thread Doug Powell
Pat,I find it is far easier if you ask them to justify a non-standard mains configuration. And stick to your position.Too often it is easy to get caught in a conflict where the person who is responsible for a product has a test failure and wants to blame the test setup, the standard or anything

Re: [PSES] Definition of accessible parts

2013-11-02 Thread Doug Powell
Title: Definition of accessible parts Generally speaking hot surfaces and electrically accessible should not be confused. They are both hazards however. The standards I usually work with talk about touch on hot surfaces. Whereas an accessible surface is one which may become energized as a result

Re: [PSES] Rejected Manufacturer Declarations

2013-11-14 Thread Doug Powell
All, It is interesting that both Turkey and Poland were mentioned, these are to my knowledge not full members of the European community. Could they be nearing full membership and over-exercising due diligence? It is possible they want to see a certificate with all the page border filigree.

Re: [PSES] Job Opening for EMC Engineer

2013-11-18 Thread Doug Powell
Egide, As you mention, EMC is not something you find on every curriculum. I am aware of the University of Science and Technology at Rolla Missouri offering courses in EMC, they have a very good lab and may indeed offer degree work. I noticed your LinkedIn profile shows you as being about 5

Re: [PSES] Rejected Manufacturer Declarations

2013-11-18 Thread Doug Powell
All, Differences between EEC, EC, and EU. Upon the entry into force of the Maastricht Treaty in 1993, the EEC was renamed the European Community (EC) to reflect that it covered a wider range of policy. This was also when the three European Communities, including the EC, were collectively

Re: [PSES] Puzzle

2013-12-07 Thread Doug Powell
Derek,Have you stopped all data clocks? This may tell you is the noise is from an external source.If you have done this and still have a high RE, I would suggest your entire setup has become a 1/4 stub antenna for something external It is apparently optimized for near 200 MHz or some

Re: [PSES] Puzzle

2013-12-07 Thread Doug Powell
Sorry to be so verbose, there is one other idea.If you have placed ferrite on the cable , try moving it up and down the length of the cable. Using the idea of an antenna, it is possible you have place the ferrite in an ineffective point. A null in the wavelength. -doug

Re: [PSES] Puzzle

2013-12-07 Thread Doug Powell
All,John's comment about "improved", devices prompted a thought. Often these so called improvements involve making devices faster and more efficient. This speed increase has to do with reverse recovery times of diodes and storage time of switching transistors (slew rates). The reciprocal of 200

Re: [PSES] Wire lug nomenclature meaning?

2013-12-09 Thread Doug Powell
Lauren, I would say this is an internal designation, specific to your client. Not an uncommon thing. It may be they have a design manual intended for their suppliers to use and explains all these acronyms. thanks, –doug Douglas E Powell http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 From: Crane,

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