Re: [PSES] EU harmonised standard of EN 62368-1 Ed3 : 2020 for General Product Safety Directive

2022-11-02 Thread MIKE SHERMAN 


 
 
  
   Scott —
  
  
   
  
  
   I am not aware of any policy or practice of eliminating transition periods. 
   
  
  
   
  
  
   My reference is the official list of harmonized standards for each directive on the EU website. I trust that more than the CENELEC dates in the beginning of the EN standards. 
   
   
  
  
   Mike
  
  
   
On 11/01/2022 9:50 PM Scott Xe  wrote:
   
   

   
   

   
   

 Dear Mike,
 
  
 
 
  Appreciate your spotting out the essential part that was over-looked.  As explained in above reply, it seems a full version of EN 62368-1 : 2020 is still applied.  Did EU remove the transitional period for any updates/amendments recently?  From now on, all listed standards take effect immediately.
 
 
  
 
 
  Regarding the development of EN 62368-1, the 3rd edition likely skips in LVD and RED.  We are awaiting further detail about the 4th edition in 2023.
 
 
  
 
 
  Thanks and regards,
 
 
  
 
 
  Scott
 



 
  On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 at 00:56, MIKE SHERMAN  wrote:
  
 
 
  
  
   
Scott -- 

   
   

   
   

 
  Go to page 63 of the OJ from August 16
 
 
  https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=OJ:L:2022:213:FULL=EN
 
 
  and look at item 21
 
 
  “However, the publication of those references should be limited to the clauses 3.3.19 ‘Sound exposure’ and 10.6 ‘Safeguard against acoustic energy sources’, given that the purpose of Commission Decision 2009/490/EC is limited to ensuring that exposure to sound from personal music players does not pose a risk to hearing.”
 
 
  So it looks like this is a very limited adoption of only PART of the third edition for the sole purpose of personal music players.
 
 
  
 
 
  Here also is some information about 62368-1 that I gleaned from the IEEE ISPCE Symposium in San Diego in September:
 
 
  
   -2nd edition: has a "dow" Date of Withdrawal of January 2023; reportedly there is a CENELC vote going on right now to extend that (18 months?) so it can continue to be valid as we wait for the 4th edition
  
  
   -3rd edition is still dead [as a harmonized standard for LVD]
  
  
   -4th edition is being voted on, perhaps in January 2023, and so may soon be approved simultaneously by both IEC and CENELEC. Reportedly the committee has been working closely with the EU to avoid the problems that sunk the 3rd edition as a viable harmonized EN standard.
  
  
   
  
  
   Mike Sherman
  
  
   Sherman PSC LLC
  
 

   
   

 On 11/01/2022 9:45 AM Scott Xe  wrote:


 


 


 
  
   Dear All, 
   
  
  
   
  
  
   On 16 Aug 2022, OJEU listed EN 62368-1 2020 without a deadline of an enforcement date.  Normally it will have a transitional period of 18 or 24 months.  Does it mean to take effect immediately without a transitional period from EN 62368-1 Ed2 : 2014 to EN 62368-1 Ed 3 : 2020? 
   
  
  
   
   Thanks and regards,
   Scott
  
 
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Re: [PSES] EU harmonised standard of EN 62368-1 Ed3 : 2020 for General Product Safety Directive

2022-11-01 Thread Scott Xe 
Dear Mike,

Appreciate your spotting out the essential part that was over-looked.  As
explained in above reply, it seems a full version of EN 62368-1 : 2020 is
still applied.  Did EU remove the transitional period for any
updates/amendments recently?  From now on, all listed standards take effect
immediately.

Regarding the development of EN 62368-1, the 3rd edition likely skips in
LVD and RED.  We are awaiting further detail about the 4th edition in 2023.

Thanks and regards,

Scott

On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 at 00:56, MIKE SHERMAN  wrote:

> Scott --
>
> Go to page 63 of the OJ from August 16
>
> https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=OJ:L:2022:213:FULL=EN
> and look at item 21
> “However, the publication of those references should be limited to the
> clauses 3.3.19 ‘Sound exposure’ and 10.6 ‘Safeguard against acoustic energy
> sources’, given that the purpose of Commission Decision 2009/490/EC is
> limited to ensuring that exposure to sound from personal music players does
> not pose a risk to hearing.”
> So it looks like this is a very limited adoption of only PART of the third
> edition for the sole purpose of personal music players.
>
> Here also is some information about 62368-1 that I gleaned from the IEEE
> ISPCE Symposium in San Diego in September:
> -2nd edition: has a "dow" Date of Withdrawal of January 2023; reportedly
> there is a CENELC vote going on right now to extend that (18 months?) so it
> can continue to be valid as we wait for the 4th edition
> -3rd edition is still dead [as a harmonized standard for LVD]
> -4th edition is being voted on, perhaps in January 2023, and so may soon
> be approved simultaneously by both IEC and CENELEC. Reportedly the
> committee has been working closely with the EU to avoid the problems that
> sunk the 3rd edition as a viable harmonized EN standard.
>
> Mike Sherman
> Sherman PSC LLC
>
> On 11/01/2022 9:45 AM Scott Xe  wrote:
>
>
> Dear All,
>
> On 16 Aug 2022, OJEU listed EN 62368-1 2020 without a deadline of an
> enforcement date.  Normally it will have a transitional period of 18 or 24
> months.  Does it mean to take effect immediately without a transitional
> period from EN 62368-1 Ed2 : 2014 to EN 62368-1 Ed 3 : 2020?
>
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
> Scott
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Re: [PSES] EU harmonised standard of EN 62368-1 Ed3 : 2020 for General Product Safety Directive

2022-11-01 Thread Scott Xe 
Hi Charlie,

You are right the edition 2 has not been listed in GPSD.  The 2022/1401
decision amending 2019/1698 decision states that row 66 and 67 are replaced
by EN IEC 62368-1 : 2020 and EN IEC 62368-1 : 2020/A11 : 2020.  The row 66
and 67 of 2019/1698 are referenced to EN 60065 and 60950-1.  Thus they are
repealed.

I might over interpreted the decision to make the product in compliance
with full EN 62368-1 Ed3 : 2020 standard.  Thanks for your guidance!  At
least, it may meet EN 60065 or 60950-1 depending on product type plus
clauses 3.3.19 ‘Sound exposure’ and 10.6 ‘Safeguard against acoustic energy
sources’.  Since both EN 60065 and 60950-1 have been replaced with EN
62368-1 : 2020, should the conformity test use a full version of EN 62368-1
: 2020 instead of 2 clauses only?

Cheers!

Scott

On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 at 00:39, Charlie Blackham 
wrote:

> Scott
>
>
>
> I’m fairly certain that EN 62368-1:2014 was never listed under the GPSD –
> only the LVD – 60065 and 60950 remained listed.
>
>
>
> The listing of the 2020 version of 62368-1 is accompanied by the following
> “whereas”:
>
>
> By letter M/452 of 28 September 2009, the Commission made a request to the
> European Committee for Electrotechnical Standardization (‘Cenelec’) to draw
> up European standards for personal music players. On the basis of this
> request, Cenelec adopted standard EN IEC 62368-1:2020 on ‘Audio/video,
> information and communication technology equipment – Part 1: Safety
> requirements’ and, further to that, the amendment EN IEC
> 62368-1:2020/A11:2020. EN IEC 62368-1:2020 is proposed with its amendment
> A11:2020, which complies with the general safety requirement set out in
> Directive 2001/95/EC. Its reference should be published in the *Official
> Journal of the European Union* replacing the references EN 60065:2002
> ‘Audio, video and similar electronic apparatus – Safety requirements’ and
> EN 60950-1:2006 ‘Information technology equipment – Safety -- Part 1:
> General requirements’. However, the publication of those references should
> be limited to the clauses 3.3.19 ‘Sound exposure’ and 10.6 ‘Safeguard
> against acoustic energy sources’, given that the purpose of Commission
> Decision 2009/490/EC is limited to ensuring that exposure to sound from
> personal music players does not pose a risk to hearing.
>
>
>
> And the listing states
>
> *Notice: this publication concerns only clauses 3.3.19 “Sound exposure”
> and 10.6 “Safeguard against acoustic energy sources” of EN IEC
> 62368-1:2020/A11:2020.*
>
>
>
> Best regards
>
> Charlie
>
>
>
> *Charlie Blackham*
>
> *Sulis Consultants Ltd*
>
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>
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>
> *From:* Scott Xe 
> *Sent:* 01 November 2022 14:45
> *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> *Subject:* [PSES] EU harmonised standard of EN 62368-1 Ed3 : 2020 for
> General Product Safety Directive
>
>
>
> Dear All,
>
>
>
> On 16 Aug 2022, OJEU listed EN 62368-1 2020 without a deadline of an
> enforcement date.  Normally it will have a transitional period of 18 or 24
> months.  Does it mean to take effect immediately without a transitional
> period from EN 62368-1 Ed2 : 2014 to EN 62368-1 Ed 3 : 2020?
>
>
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
> Scott
>
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Re: [PSES] EU harmonised standard of EN 62368-1 Ed3 : 2020 for General Product Safety Directive

2022-11-01 Thread MIKE SHERMAN 
Scott --

Go to page 63 of the OJ from August 16
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=OJ:L:2022:213:FULL=EN
and look at item 21
“However, the publication of those references should be limited to the clauses 
3.3.19 ‘Sound exposure’ and 10.6 ‘Safeguard against acoustic energy sources’, 
given that the purpose of Commission Decision 2009/490/EC is limited to 
ensuring that exposure to sound from personal music players does not pose a 
risk to hearing.”
So it looks like this is a very limited adoption of only PART of the third 
edition for the sole purpose of personal music players.

Here also is some information about 62368-1 that I gleaned from the IEEE ISPCE 
Symposium in San Diego in September:
-2nd edition: has a "dow" Date of Withdrawal of January 2023; reportedly there 
is a CENELC vote going on right now to extend that (18 months?) so it can 
continue to be valid as we wait for the 4th edition
-3rd edition is still dead [as a harmonized standard for LVD]
-4th edition is being voted on, perhaps in January 2023, and so may soon be 
approved simultaneously by both IEC and CENELEC. Reportedly the committee has 
been working closely with the EU to avoid the problems that sunk the 3rd 
edition as a viable harmonized EN standard.

Mike Sherman
Sherman PSC LLC

> On 11/01/2022 9:45 AM Scott Xe  wrote:
> 
> 
> Dear All,
> 
> On 16 Aug 2022, OJEU listed EN 62368-1 2020 without a deadline of an 
> enforcement date.  Normally it will have a transitional period of 18 or 24 
> months.  Does it mean to take effect immediately without a transitional 
> period from EN 62368-1 Ed2 : 2014 to EN 62368-1 Ed 3 : 2020?
> 
> 
> Thanks and regards,
> 
> Scott
> 
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Re: [PSES] EU harmonised standard of EN 62368-1 Ed3 : 2020 for General Product Safety Directive

2022-11-01 Thread Charlie Blackham 
Scott

I’m fairly certain that EN 62368-1:2014 was never listed under the GPSD – only 
the LVD – 60065 and 60950 remained listed.

The listing of the 2020 version of 62368-1 is accompanied by the following 
“whereas”:

By letter M/452 of 28 September 2009, the Commission made a request to the 
European Committee for Electrotechnical Standardization (‘Cenelec’) to draw up 
European standards for personal music players. On the basis of this request, 
Cenelec adopted standard EN IEC 62368-1:2020 on ‘Audio/video, information and 
communication technology equipment – Part 1: Safety requirements’ and, further 
to that, the amendment EN IEC 62368-1:2020/A11:2020. EN IEC 62368-1:2020 is 
proposed with its amendment A11:2020, which complies with the general safety 
requirement set out in Directive 2001/95/EC. Its reference should be published 
in the Official Journal of the European Union replacing the references EN 
60065:2002 ‘Audio, video and similar electronic apparatus – Safety 
requirements’ and EN 60950-1:2006 ‘Information technology equipment – Safety -- 
Part 1: General requirements’. However, the publication of those references 
should be limited to the clauses 3.3.19 ‘Sound exposure’ and 10.6 ‘Safeguard 
against acoustic energy sources’, given that the purpose of Commission Decision 
2009/490/EC is limited to ensuring that exposure to sound from personal music 
players does not pose a risk to hearing.

And the listing states
Notice: this publication concerns only clauses 3.3.19 “Sound exposure” and 10.6 
“Safeguard against acoustic energy sources” of EN IEC 62368-1:2020/A11:2020.

Best regards
Charlie

Charlie Blackham
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From: Scott Xe 
Sent: 01 November 2022 14:45
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] EU harmonised standard of EN 62368-1 Ed3 : 2020 for General 
Product Safety Directive

Dear All,

On 16 Aug 2022, OJEU listed EN 62368-1 2020 without a deadline of an 
enforcement date.  Normally it will have a transitional period of 18 or 24 
months.  Does it mean to take effect immediately without a transitional period 
from EN 62368-1 Ed2 : 2014 to EN 62368-1 Ed 3 : 2020?



Thanks and regards,

Scott
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[PSES] EU harmonised standard of EN 62368-1 Ed3 : 2020 for General Product Safety Directive

2022-11-01 Thread Scott Xe 
Dear All,

On 16 Aug 2022, OJEU listed EN 62368-1 2020 without a deadline of an
enforcement date.  Normally it will have a transitional period of 18 or 24
months.  Does it mean to take effect immediately without a transitional
period from EN 62368-1 Ed2 : 2014 to EN 62368-1 Ed 3 : 2020?


Thanks and regards,

Scott

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