Re: [PSES] power converters onboard yachts
Hello Ralph, Has anybody mentioned the EN 60945 standard to you? Clauses 9 & 10 are for EMC, however it covers a lot of other things in that standard for electrical equipment on ships. Larry K. Stillings Compliance Worldwide, Inc. Test Locally, Sell Globally and Launch Your Products Around the World! FCC - Wireless - Telecom - CE Marking - International Approvals - Product Safety 357 Main Street Sandown, NH 03873 (603) 887 3903 Fax 887-6445 complianceworldwide.com<https://complianceworldwide.com> <https://complianceworldwide.com> Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. Please advise immediately if you or your employer do not consent to Internet email for messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of my firm shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. From: Ralph McDiarmid Sent: Monday, September 16, 2024 12:34 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] power converters onboard yachts If a yacht is manufactured in the USA and then sails aboard to eventually dock at a port somewhere in the EU, does its onboard electronics require CE mark ? I'm thinking specifically of power converters connecting to shore power. Ralph This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/<https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/%20> Website: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/ Instructions: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)<https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html> List rules: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Mike Sherman at: msherma...@comcast.net<mailto:msherma...@comcast.net> Rick Linford at: linf...@ieee.org<mailto:linf...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher at: j.bac...@ieee.org<mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org> To unsubscribe from the EMC-PSTC list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC&A=1 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/ Website: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/ Instructions: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Mike Sherman at: msherma...@comcast.net Rick Linford at: linf...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: _ To unsubscribe from the EMC-PSTC list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC&A=1
Re: [PSES] power converters onboard yachts
Hmm. Assume a USA to Europe trans-ocean cruise ship. When it docks in Europe, do the onboard electronics need to have a CE mark? If I travel (business or pleasure) from the USA to Europe, must my phone, laptop, and other electronic products that travel with me need to have the CE mark? Are they inspected upon arrival? Are they confiscated or whatever if they don't have the CE mark? Likewise, if someone travels from Europe to the USA, must electrical products travelling with him bear a NRTL mark? I lived in Spain with some USA NRTL electrical products, but no mandate for the CE mark on them. Rich Bend, Oregon, USA From: James Pawson (U3C) Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2024 12:14 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] power converters onboard yachts Hi Ralph >From "The Blue Guide" 2.2. Making available on the market A product is made available on the market when supplied for distribution, consumption or use on the Union market in the course of a commercial activity https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=OJ:C:2022:247:FULL# :~:text=2.2.%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0Making,a%20commercial%20activity My reading would be: if it can, is likely, or is intended to be used in the EU then the CE mark would apply. One of our clients manufactures equipment for commercial yachts and his assessment on the general quality of electronic equipment, and its installation and wiring, on such vessels was less than complementary! All the best James James Pawson Managing Director & EMC Problem Solver Unit 3 Compliance Ltd EMC : Environmental & Vibration : Electrical Safety : CE & UKCA : Consultancy <http://www.unit3compliance.co.uk/> www.unit3compliance.co.uk | <mailto:ja...@unit3compliance.co.uk> ja...@unit3compliance.co.uk +44(0)1274 911747 | +44(0)7811 139957 2 Wellington Business Park, New Lane, Bradford, BD4 8AL Registered in England and Wales # 10574298 Office hours: Every morning my full attention is on consultancy, testing, and troubleshooting activities for our customers' projects. I'm available/contactable between 1300h to 1730h Mon/Tue/Thurs/Fri. For inquiries, bookings, and testing updates please send us an email on he...@unit3compliance.co.uk <mailto:he...@unit3compliance.co.uk> or call 01274 911747. Our lead times for testing and consultancy are typically 4-5 weeks. From: Dan Roman <0d75e04ed751-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org <mailto:0d75e04ed751-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org> > Sent: 16 September 2024 21:32 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] power converters onboard yachts Hmmm, I don't know for sure, but it is not placed on the market in the EU, it is just visiting. So no CE Marking for safety and EMC or whatever Directives and Regulations that apply to boats. Now, if it is eventually sold there, that is probably a different story. Not being familiar in the least with boating regulations, my "placed on the market" theory may not hold seawater. Dan From: Ralph McDiarmid [mailto:rmm.priv...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 16, 2024 12:34 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: [PSES] power converters onboard yachts If a yacht is manufactured in the USA and then sails aboard to eventually dock at a port somewhere in the EU, does its onboard electronics require CE mark ?I'm thinking specifically of power converters connecting to shore power. Ralph - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/ Website: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/ Instructions: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Mike Sherman at: msherma...@comcast.net Rick Linford at: linf...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: _ To unsubscribe from the EMC-PSTC list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC&A=1
Re: [PSES] power converters onboard yachts
Hi Ralph >From "The Blue Guide" 2.2. Making available on the market A product is made available on the market when supplied for distribution, consumption or use on the Union market in the course of a commercial activity https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=OJ:C:2022:247:FULL# :~:text=2.2.%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0Making,a%20commercial%20activity My reading would be: if it can, is likely, or is intended to be used in the EU then the CE mark would apply. One of our clients manufactures equipment for commercial yachts and his assessment on the general quality of electronic equipment, and its installation and wiring, on such vessels was less than complementary! All the best James James Pawson Managing Director & EMC Problem Solver Unit 3 Compliance Ltd EMC : Environmental & Vibration : Electrical Safety : CE & UKCA : Consultancy <http://www.unit3compliance.co.uk/> www.unit3compliance.co.uk | <mailto:ja...@unit3compliance.co.uk> ja...@unit3compliance.co.uk +44(0)1274 911747 | +44(0)7811 139957 2 Wellington Business Park, New Lane, Bradford, BD4 8AL Registered in England and Wales # 10574298 Office hours: Every morning my full attention is on consultancy, testing, and troubleshooting activities for our customers' projects. I'm available/contactable between 1300h to 1730h Mon/Tue/Thurs/Fri. For inquiries, bookings, and testing updates please send us an email on he...@unit3compliance.co.uk <mailto:he...@unit3compliance.co.uk> or call 01274 911747. Our lead times for testing and consultancy are typically 4-5 weeks. From: Dan Roman <0d75e04ed751-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org> Sent: 16 September 2024 21:32 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] power converters onboard yachts Hmmm, I don't know for sure, but it is not placed on the market in the EU, it is just visiting. So no CE Marking for safety and EMC or whatever Directives and Regulations that apply to boats. Now, if it is eventually sold there, that is probably a different story. Not being familiar in the least with boating regulations, my "placed on the market" theory may not hold seawater. Dan From: Ralph McDiarmid [mailto:rmm.priv...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 16, 2024 12:34 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: [PSES] power converters onboard yachts If a yacht is manufactured in the USA and then sails aboard to eventually dock at a port somewhere in the EU, does its onboard electronics require CE mark ?I'm thinking specifically of power converters connecting to shore power. Ralph _ This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/ <https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/%20> Website: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/ <https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/> Instructions: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) <https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html> List rules: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Mike Sherman at: msherma...@comcast.net <mailto:msherma...@comcast.net> Rick Linford at: linf...@ieee.org <mailto:linf...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher at: j.bac...@ieee.org <mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org> _ To unsubscribe from the EMC-PSTC list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC <https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC&A=1> &A=1 _ This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/ <https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/%20> Website: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/ <https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/> Instructions: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) <https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html> List rules: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Mike Sherman at: msherma...@comcast.net <mailto:msherma...@comcast.net> Rick Linford at: linf...@ieee.org <mailto:linf...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher at: j.bac...@ieee.org <mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org> _ To unsubscribe from the EMC-PSTC list,
Re: [PSES] power converters onboard yachts
Hmmm, I don't know for sure, but it is not placed on the market in the EU, it is just visiting. So no CE Marking for safety and EMC or whatever Directives and Regulations that apply to boats. Now, if it is eventually sold there, that is probably a different story. Not being familiar in the least with boating regulations, my "placed on the market" theory may not hold seawater. Dan From: Ralph McDiarmid [mailto:rmm.priv...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 16, 2024 12:34 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] power converters onboard yachts If a yacht is manufactured in the USA and then sails aboard to eventually dock at a port somewhere in the EU, does its onboard electronics require CE mark ?I'm thinking specifically of power converters connecting to shore power. Ralph _ This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/ <https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/%20> Website: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/ <https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/> Instructions: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) <https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html> List rules: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Mike Sherman at: msherma...@comcast.net <mailto:msherma...@comcast.net> Rick Linford at: linf...@ieee.org <mailto:linf...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher at: j.bac...@ieee.org <mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org> _ To unsubscribe from the EMC-PSTC list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC <https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC&A=1> &A=1 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/ Website: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/ Instructions: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Mike Sherman at: msherma...@comcast.net Rick Linford at: linf...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: _ To unsubscribe from the EMC-PSTC list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC&A=1
[PSES] power converters onboard yachts
If a yacht is manufactured in the USA and then sails aboard to eventually dock at a port somewhere in the EU, does its onboard electronics require CE mark ?I'm thinking specifically of power converters connecting to shore power. Ralph - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/ Website: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/ Instructions: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Mike Sherman at: msherma...@comcast.net Rick Linford at: linf...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: _ To unsubscribe from the EMC-PSTC list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC&A=1
