Re: [PSES] Was there ever a comparison between IEC 60950-1 and IEC 62368-1 (current edition preferable)? And any rationale for any of the changes

2017-12-06 Thread Brian O'Connell
The ISO and IEC should develop and publish the rationale along with the release of the standard itself. Avoid forcing the data fit an existent conjecture. ANSI, SCC, CENELEC, etc should never harmonize a new standard without the engineering rationale. As for a comparative tabulations - they

Re: [PSES] Was there ever a comparison between IEC 60950-1 and IEC 62368-1 (current edition preferable)? And any rationale for any of the changes

2017-12-06 Thread Ted Eckert
It appears that my copy of 60950-1 is a bit old. It was hand written on a vellum scroll. My company antiquities director prohibits me from cutting off a piece for spectrographic analysis. Ted Eckert Microsoft Corporation The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of

Re: [PSES] Was there ever a comparison between IEC 60950-1 and IEC 62368-1 (current edition preferable)? And any rationale for any of the changes

2017-12-06 Thread John Woodgate
And if you print the standards, they are both made of paper. But it doesn't help. Steep learning curve! John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2017-12-06 19:48, Ted Eckert wrote: A spectrographic analysis of a plum and coconut

Re: [PSES] Was there ever a comparison between IEC 60950-1 and IEC 62368-1 (current edition preferable)? And any rationale for any of the changes

2017-12-06 Thread Ted Eckert
A spectrographic analysis of a plum and coconut might find them to be quite similar. https://www.improbable.com/airchives/paperair/volume1/v1i3/air-1-3-apples.html Ted Eckert Microsoft Corporation The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. From:

Re: [PSES] Was there ever a comparison between IEC 60950-1 and IEC 62368-1 (current edition preferable)? And any rationale for any of the changes

2017-12-06 Thread Doug Powell
Back in the day, the question was asked: "What's the difference between an elephant and a plum?" Answer: "They're exactly the same, except the elephant." On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 12:19 PM, Pete Perkins < 0061f3f32d0c-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org> wrote: > Leo, > > > > The

Re: [PSES] Was there ever a comparison between IEC 60950-1 and IEC 62368-1 (current edition preferable)? And any rationale for any of the changes

2017-12-06 Thread Pete Perkins
Leo, The requirements in 62368-1 are supported by the rationale document 62368-2 which more fully explains the basis for the requirements in the standard. It has been put together to help standards committees - such as yours - understand these. There

Re: [PSES] Was there ever a comparison between IEC 60950-1 and IEC 62368-1 (current edition preferable)? And any rationale for any of the changes

2017-12-06 Thread JIM WIESE
The short answer is they are about the same as a coconut and a plum, particularly in regards to telecommunications criteria (Now called ES1, ES2, ES3, ID#'s, and communications circuits, not SELV and TNV anymore), gets worse once 62368-3 is published in a few months. Jim Wiese Senior

Re: [PSES] Was there ever a comparison between IEC 60950-1 and IEC 62368-1 (current edition preferable)? And any rationale for any of the changes

2017-12-06 Thread John Woodgate
Re 'rationale', there is some information in Clause 0 of 62368-1 and in IEC 62368-2. But 60950-1 and 62368-1 are fundamentally different, because most of the provisions of 60950-1 were derived from experience and ad-hoc reasoning  but those of 62368-1 are derived from structured reasoning

Re: [PSES] Was there ever a comparison between IEC 60950-1 and IEC 62368-1 (current edition preferable)? And any rationale for any of the changes

2017-12-05 Thread IBM Ken
Hi Leo! ECMA released a Technical Report (TR-106) in February 2013, so be forewarned that it only compares IEC60950-1, 2nd ed (2005) to the *1st* (2010) edition of 62368-1. A significant number of clauses were moved or renumbered between 1st and 2nd edition (enough that it made it difficult to

Re: [PSES] Was there ever a comparison between IEC 60950-1 and IEC 62368-1 (current edition preferable)? And any rationale for any of the changes

2017-12-05 Thread Brian O'Connell
ECMA TR106, but was done for 1st ed only. Brian From: Leo Eisner [mailto:l...@eisnersafety.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 4:40 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Was there ever a comparison between IEC 60950-1 and IEC 62368-1 (current edition preferable)? And any