Re: [Emc-users] Ethernet runs to barns and such

2008-12-28 Thread Jack Coats
I have a friend who is 'netting' his farm. He is putting in about 3000' of fiber. This keeps away nasty ground loop problems. He has also set up proper router protocols between his terrestial wireless provider (about 5 miles away, line of site) and a Satellite internet provider, so

Re: [Emc-users] Ethernet runs to barns and such

2008-12-28 Thread Leslie Newell
That is distributing broadband over the power line network. What was being discussed here was purely for local distribution and very little noise will get back up the power line. In general the meter has enough inductance to block most of the signal. Les Rafael Skodlar wrote: 3. Broadband

Re: [Emc-users] Ethernet, rtai, and rtnet

2008-12-28 Thread Kenneth Lerman
Remember that the issue on ethernet will not be throughput; it will be latency. I'm sure Jon can give you a profile of what he is doing. How many bytes in a send packet? How many bytes is a receive packet? Cycle time? I assume it would be acceptable to do something like: 1 -- Receive M byte

Re: [Emc-users] Ethernet runs to barns and such

2008-12-28 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Gentlemen, I have used BPL in my home for years. I am connected through it now. I have wireless now but have not changed this box as it just works. My children played all their internet games through it without a single complaint about speed or quality. They increased their speed by adding

Re: [Emc-users] Ethernet, rtai, and rtnet

2008-12-28 Thread Jon Elson
Kenneth Lerman wrote: Remember that the issue on ethernet will not be throughput; it will be latency. I'm sure Jon can give you a profile of what he is doing. How many bytes in a send packet? How many bytes is a receive packet? Cycle time? OK, the current latency is VERY short per

Re: [Emc-users] Ethernet runs to barns and such

2008-12-28 Thread Jon Elson
Stuart Stevenson wrote: Gentlemen, I have used BPL in my home for years. I am connected through it now. I have wireless now but have not changed this box as it just works. snip I don't know if this has interfered with any ham operators near me. If my home adapters interfere how

Re: [Emc-users] Ethernet runs to barns and such

2008-12-28 Thread perotter
-Original Message- From: Stuart Stevenson stus...@gmail.com Sent: Dec 28, 2008 10:45 AM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Ethernet runs to barns and such Gentlemen, I have used BPL in my home for years. I am connected

Re: [Emc-users] Ethernet, rtai, and rtnet

2008-12-28 Thread Stephen Wille Padnos
Jon Elson wrote: Kenneth Lerman wrote: Remember that the issue on ethernet will not be throughput; it will be latency. I'm sure Jon can give you a profile of what he is doing. How many bytes in a send packet? How many bytes is a receive packet? Cycle time? OK, the current latency

Re: [Emc-users] Plasma Torch

2008-12-28 Thread ad...@mmri.us
Grow up. John Thornton wrote: General questions are the hardest to answer. They are even harder to answer when your not asking about the subject of the mailing list. Best plasma torch or best price... pick any one. I use a Hypertherm 1250 and it was the best one for me. You have to

Re: [Emc-users] Plasma Torch

2008-12-28 Thread Ray Henry
Ho! Wah! We got a piss ant here, 'eh. On Sun, 2008-12-28 at 20:07 -0500, ad...@mmri.us wrote: Grow up. John Thornton wrote: General questions are the hardest to answer. --

Re: [Emc-users] Ethernet, rtai, and rtnet

2008-12-28 Thread Sebastian Kuzminsky
Stephen Wille Padnos wrote: A standard ethernet frame has to be 512 bits (64 bytes) long. This includes ethernet framing info, and I think the net payload is 46 bytes for a minimum packet. This is aside from any UDP/IP or TCP/IP addressing or protocol information. So you probably need at

Re: [Emc-users] Bad motherboard capacitors?

2008-12-28 Thread Jim Coleman
If you can replace caps, i dont see why one couldnt build one of these. Probably turn out cheaper than a commercial unit and be plenty accurate for most of us troubleshooting. http://ludens.cl/Electron/esr/esr.html On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 8:35 PM, Greg Michalski

Re: [Emc-users] Plasma Torch

2008-12-28 Thread ad...@mmri.us
About says it all. Ray Henry wrote: Ho! Wah! We got a piss ant here, 'eh. On Sun, 2008-12-28 at 20:07 -0500, ad...@mmri.us wrote: Grow up. John Thornton wrote: General questions are the hardest to answer.

Re: [Emc-users] Ethernet, rtai, and rtnet

2008-12-28 Thread Jon Elson
Stephen Wille Padnos wrote: I don't know the specifics of how to deal with the incoming packets on the PC (or the specifics of how to send them, for that matter :) ), but I'm pretty sure data throughput won't be an issue. Latency is unlikely to be either, unless there's some very complex

Re: [Emc-users] Ethernet, rtai, and rtnet

2008-12-28 Thread Jon Elson
Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote: Stephen Wille Padnos wrote: A standard ethernet frame has to be 512 bits (64 bytes) long. This includes ethernet framing info, and I think the net payload is 46 bytes for a minimum packet. This is aside from any UDP/IP or TCP/IP addressing or protocol

Re: [Emc-users] Ethernet, rtai, and rtnet

2008-12-28 Thread Kenneth Lerman
Jon, Don't use rtnet. Just use ethernet point to point to replace a parallel port. Then there is NO net stack. Just use raw ethernet packets. Overhead is then a few dozen bytes. Ken Jon Elson wrote: Stephen Wille Padnos wrote: I don't know the specifics of how to deal with the incoming

Re: [Emc-users] Ethernet, rtai, and rtnet

2008-12-28 Thread Stephen Wille Padnos
Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote: Stephen Wille Padnos wrote: A standard ethernet frame has to be 512 bits (64 bytes) long. This includes ethernet framing info, and I think the net payload is 46 bytes for a minimum packet. This is aside from any UDP/IP or TCP/IP addressing or protocol

Re: [Emc-users] Ethernet, rtai, and rtnet

2008-12-28 Thread Stephen Wille Padnos
Jon Elson wrote: Stephen Wille Padnos wrote: I don't know the specifics of how to deal with the incoming packets on the PC (or the specifics of how to send them, for that matter :) ), but I'm pretty sure data throughput won't be an issue. Latency is unlikely to be either, unless there's

Re: [Emc-users] Ethernet, rtai, and rtnet

2008-12-28 Thread Stephen Wille Padnos
Stephen Wille Padnos wrote: [snip] bound on data size, which gives an upper bound on transmit duration. Uh, an upper bound on servo cycle rate. Geez. - Steve -- ___

Re: [Emc-users] Ethernet, rtai, and rtnet

2008-12-28 Thread Jon Elson
Kenneth Lerman wrote: Jon, Don't use rtnet. Just use ethernet point to point to replace a parallel port. Then there is NO net stack. Just use raw ethernet packets. Overhead is then a few dozen bytes. OK, but is there an ethernet driver that is callable within the rt environment? I may

Re: [Emc-users] Ethernet, rtai, and rtnet

2008-12-28 Thread Jon Elson
Stephen Wille Padnos wrote: I agree with Ken - you don't need RTNet unless you want to have multiple slave devices and all that stuff. It could still be useful since the master defines the timebase (at least in one mode, AFAIK), so the master could send one sync packet, then have all the

Re: [Emc-users] Bad motherboard capacitors?

2008-12-28 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 28 December 2008, Jim Coleman wrote: If you can replace caps, i dont see why one couldnt build one of these. Probably turn out cheaper than a commercial unit and be plenty accurate for most of us troubleshooting. http://ludens.cl/Electron/esr/esr.html That circuit is similar to the