Re: [Emc-users] Using a PC in extended temperature ranges and mobile application

2011-07-17 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2011/7/17 Dave : > > I don't know about using gasoline what if a technician who is > smoking opens the control panel.. 8-0 > The gasoline part was not meant to be serious :))) I just remembered that my car had fuel pump right in gasoline tank and the wires were not sealed, which just proves th

Re: [Emc-users] Tool length offset for non-trivial kins

2011-07-17 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2011/7/17 Andrew : > I have to think more about correct offset > implementation... it should only influence the rotation point. I'm > afraid it should be similar to 5axiskins with extra W axis. I do not > like this way at all. > I think that this tool length offset should be added/subtracted to tr

Re: [Emc-users] Using a PC in extended temperature ranges and mobile application

2011-07-17 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Jaap Stolk wrote: > it's actually called "silicone potting", a google image search turns > up many examples. Be careful that it's the electrical-compatible---ordinary commercial silicon RTV compounds release acetic acid and will corrode metals (connectors, wires

Re: [Emc-users] Using a PC in extended temperature ranges and mobile application

2011-07-17 Thread gene heskett
On Sunday, July 17, 2011 07:25:15 PM dave did opine: > On Sat, 2011-07-16 at 23:10 -0700, Karl Cunningham wrote: > > Dave wrote: > > > I'd like to use as many off the shelf devices as possible - PC > > > boards etc... if possible. > > > > > > Being a typical customer, they want to keep the costs

Re: [Emc-users] Using a PC in extended temperature ranges and mobile application

2011-07-17 Thread Dave
On 7/17/2011 7:07 AM, andy pugh wrote: > On 17 July 2011 03:01, andy pugh wrote: > > >> The display is likely to be the problem. You might even want to >> consider a CRT, because at least then condensation can't get behind >> the glass. >> > Thinking about this some more, you might need

Re: [Emc-users] Using a PC in extended temperature ranges and mobile application

2011-07-17 Thread Dave
On 7/17/2011 9:25 AM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: > 2011/7/17 Dave: > >> When you say "gel", do you mean the desiccant gel beads? That is >> very interesting.. >> > That can be any mineral oil - they are not conductive. There are many > vids on Youtube, how PCs are put in oil and they keep

[Emc-users] Using a PC in extended temperature ranges and mobile application

2011-07-17 Thread k...@gmail.com
If you go with a standard PC motherboard, I would get a can of clear lacquer and apply 2 coats to both sides of the board and components. I have aging industrial electronics in my shop that get weird in summer when humidity peaks. I have successfully eliminated -some- of the weirdness by sealing ou

Re: [Emc-users] Using a PC in extended temperature ranges and mobile application

2011-07-17 Thread Karl Cunningham
Jaap Stolk wrote: > On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Dave wrote: >> When you say "gel", do you mean the desiccant gel beads? > > No, like gene, I meant something like this: > http://fongyong.en.alibaba.com/product/431565542-212336882/RTV_2_electrical_electronic_silicone_potting_casting_compounds_

Re: [Emc-users] Using a PC in extended temperature ranges and mobile application

2011-07-17 Thread Karl Cunningham
Jaap Stolk wrote: > On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Dave wrote: >> When you say "gel", do you mean the desiccant gel beads? > > No, like gene, I meant something like this: > http://fongyong.en.alibaba.com/product/431565542-212336882/RTV_2_electrical_electronic_silicone_potting_casting_compounds_

Re: [Emc-users] Using a PC in extended temperature ranges and mobile application

2011-07-17 Thread Jaap Stolk
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Dave wrote: > When you say "gel", do you mean the desiccant gel beads? No, like gene, I meant something like this: http://fongyong.en.alibaba.com/product/431565542-212336882/RTV_2_electrical_electronic_silicone_potting_casting_compounds_sealant.html Although they

Re: [Emc-users] Jog keys for axis A in AXIS

2011-07-17 Thread andy pugh
On 4 July 2011 07:34, Erik Christiansen wrote: > Since there is no Ctrl-key, would a general solution for all > applications be handy? As we're running X, if AXIS is in use, then an > easy way to globally map keys is to add an entry to ~/.Xmodmap. Would it > be convenient to use the Alt (Meta) ke

Re: [Emc-users] Using a PC in extended temperature ranges and mobile application

2011-07-17 Thread dave
On Sat, 2011-07-16 at 23:10 -0700, Karl Cunningham wrote: > Dave wrote: > > I'd like to use as many off the shelf devices as possible - PC boards > > etc... if possible. > > > > Being a typical customer, they want to keep the costs down but they also > > want it to work and operate reliably. > >

Re: [Emc-users] A question

2011-07-17 Thread gene heskett
On Sunday, July 17, 2011 11:00:29 AM Stephen Wille Padnos did opine: > gene heskett wrote: > > On Saturday, July 16, 2011 10:46:42 AM andy pugh did opine: > >> On 16 July 2011 05:39, Farzin Kamangar wrote: > >>> � � � � � � � �Can you give me some information how can I go ahead > >>> for EMC? Do

Re: [Emc-users] Using a PC in extended temperature ranges and mobile application

2011-07-17 Thread gene heskett
On Sunday, July 17, 2011 10:51:23 AM Dave did opine: > On 7/17/2011 5:36 AM, Jaap Stolk wrote: > > I have seen electronics on sea buoys. It's mounted in a simple PVC > > box, then all wires are connected, then it is filled to the edge with > > some silicone gel, after setting, the lid is screwed o

Re: [Emc-users] A question

2011-07-17 Thread Stephen Wille Padnos
gene heskett wrote: > On Saturday, July 16, 2011 10:46:42 AM andy pugh did opine: > > >> On 16 July 2011 05:39, Farzin Kamangar wrote: >> >>> � � � � � � � �Can you give me some information how can I go ahead for >>> EMC? Do I need to write a driver for that? Where is the interface >>> d

Re: [Emc-users] Tool length offset for non-trivial kins

2011-07-17 Thread Andrew
2011/7/17 Viesturs Lācis : > Create a HAL pin in Your kinematics module and arrange all the > inverse/forward kins calculation. > > And then in HAL file instead of setting a certain value for that pin > You should just link it with motion.tooloffset.z > I have been using the first option - creating

Re: [Emc-users] Using a PC in extended temperature ranges and mobile application

2011-07-17 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2011/7/17 Dave : > > When you say "gel", do you mean the desiccant gel beads?      That is > very interesting.. That can be any mineral oil - they are not conductive. There are many vids on Youtube, how PCs are put in oil and they keep working. Even gasoline is non-conductive, so You can submerge

Re: [Emc-users] Tool length offset for non-trivial kins

2011-07-17 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2011/7/17 Andrew : > > Can existing pin motion.tooloffset.z be used instead? > How can I get its value in kinematics file? Of course, You can! Create a HAL pin in Your kinematics module and arrange all the inverse/forward kins calculation. And then in HAL file instead of setting a certain value

Re: [Emc-users] Using a PC in extended temperature ranges and mobile application

2011-07-17 Thread Dave
On 7/17/2011 5:36 AM, Jaap Stolk wrote: > I have seen electronics on sea buoys. It's mounted in a simple PVC > box, then all wires are connected, then it is filled to the edge with > some silicone gel, after setting, the lid is screwed on. Even all > heatsinks are completely submerged in the gel. >

Re: [Emc-users] Using a PC in extended temperature ranges and mobile application

2011-07-17 Thread Dave
On 7/17/2011 12:48 AM, dave wrote: > On Sun, 2011-07-17 at 01:30 +, James Reed wrote: > >> You can do the same thing electricians do in an explosion-proof enclosure. >> The idea of an explosion proof enclosure is not to prevent the vapors from >> entering the enclosure, but to contain an

Re: [Emc-users] Using a PC in extended temperature ranges and mobile application

2011-07-17 Thread andy pugh
On 17 July 2011 03:01, andy pugh wrote: > The display is likely to be the problem. You might even want to > consider a CRT, because at least then condensation can't get behind > the glass. Thinking about this some more, you might need to use a CRT, as LCD displays stop working when they get cold

Re: [Emc-users] Using a PC in extended temperature ranges and mobile application

2011-07-17 Thread Dave
On 7/16/2011 10:21 PM, Kent A. Reed wrote: > Dave, I wouldn't waste my time trying to beef up a consumer-grade > computer. There are many industrial- and military-grade i86 computers > available commercially that you could start from. > > The rub is your characterization "Being a typical customer,

Re: [Emc-users] Using a PC in extended temperature ranges and mobile application

2011-07-17 Thread Dave
On 7/16/2011 10:18 PM, gene heskett wrote: > On Saturday, July 16, 2011 10:03:15 PM Dave did opine: > > >> Hi Guys.. >> >> I am considering using EMC2 (or part of it) in a mobile application that >> defines the term "rugged". >> >> The application itself is pretty simple so I am not worried abo

Re: [Emc-users] Using a PC in extended temperature ranges and mobile application

2011-07-17 Thread Dave
I have seen conformal coating but I have no experience applying it. I would think it could create hot spots on some motherboards if it was not carefully applied. Does anyone have any experience in testing for condensation issues? I have done simple temperature tests on some systems to check f

Re: [Emc-users] Using a PC in extended temperature ranges and mobile application

2011-07-17 Thread Dave
I've worked on explosion proof systems so the idea of using what we called "seal-offs" is a good idea to contain the air in the cabinets. Dave On 7/16/2011 9:30 PM, James Reed wrote: > You can do the same thing electricians do in an explosion-proof enclosure. > The idea of an explosion proof e

[Emc-users] Tool length offset for non-trivial kins

2011-07-17 Thread Andrew
Thinking of true 5-axis machining with hexapod, I found that important thing here is how EMC2 handles tool length offset. With XYZAB kinematics I'd prefer to always have AB rotations around TCP. But it proved that setting Z tool offset does not change the rotation center (obviously genhexkins is no

Re: [Emc-users] Using a PC in extended temperature ranges and mobile application

2011-07-17 Thread Jaap Stolk
I have seen electronics on sea buoys. It's mounted in a simple PVC box, then all wires are connected, then it is filled to the edge with some silicone gel, after setting, the lid is screwed on. Even all heatsinks are completely submerged in the gel.