Re: [Emc-users] BLDC Hal component

2015-02-01 Thread Kirk Wallace
... snip I think that the servos + resolvers will work a fair bit better than steppers. I was rather upset when I found that my ebay bargain servos had resolvers, but now I am something of a fan of the devices. I have to agree, if they are used correctly with good electronics to drive them,

Re: [Emc-users] BLDC Hal component

2015-02-01 Thread andy pugh
On 1 February 2015 at 16:25, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com wrote: However, they are inflexible in their application, and must be specifically tuned to meet the drive system requirements I wonder what that means, and if it is even true? -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it.

Re: [Emc-users] BLDC Hal component

2015-02-01 Thread Jon Elson
On 02/01/2015 10:36 AM, andy pugh wrote: On 1 February 2015 at 16:25, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com wrote: However, they are inflexible in their application, and must be specifically tuned to meet the drive system requirements I wonder what that means, and if it is even true? I've

Re: [Emc-users] BLDC Hal component

2015-02-01 Thread andy pugh
On 1 February 2015 at 17:05, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com wrote: I know very little about resolvers, but I think it means that resolvers are analog so one needs to determine what the 100% and 0% signal values are, and values in between (to deal with linearity) to convert to data.

Re: [Emc-users] BLDC Hal component

2015-02-01 Thread Karlsson Wang
It might simply be because resolvers are analog which considered to be old technology. It is useful to have some extra resolution above the accuracy for the control loop and I think resolvers usually have higher resolution. I read many times digital control loops are faster but quite a lot of

Re: [Emc-users] BLDC Hal component

2015-02-01 Thread Jon Elson
On 02/01/2015 11:05 AM, Kirk Wallace wrote: On 02/01/2015 08:36 AM, andy pugh wrote: On 1 February 2015 at 16:25, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com wrote: However, they are inflexible in their application, and must be specifically tuned to meet the drive system requirements I wonder

Re: [Emc-users] BLDC Hal component

2015-02-01 Thread Karlsson Wang
...@mastercut.co.za Cc: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: 2015-01-30 15:34:16 Subject: Re: Re[4]: [Emc-users] BLDC Hal component On 30 January 2015 at 13:16, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote: He said I should covert to steppers for the sake of cost

Re: [Emc-users] BLDC Hal component

2015-02-01 Thread Kirk Wallace
On 02/01/2015 08:36 AM, andy pugh wrote: On 1 February 2015 at 16:25, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com wrote: However, they are inflexible in their application, and must be specifically tuned to meet the drive system requirements I wonder what that means, and if it is even true? I

Re: [Emc-users] BLDC Hal component

2015-02-01 Thread Karlsson Wang
http://www.leinelinde.com/Products/ I took a fast look: Encoder http://www.leinelinde.com/Documents/Brochure/700_Series_eng.pdf with up to 10 000 ppr equal to a little bit less than 14 bits resolution which I assume be more or less equal to accuracy. Resolver

Re: [Emc-users] BLDC Hal component

2015-02-01 Thread andy pugh
On 1 February 2015 at 23:39, dave dengv...@charter.net wrote: The technology for converting resolvers to digital has gotten much cheaper True, I ended up writing the Mesa resolver and 3-phase PWM drivers and the bldc component to get my mill working. I guess it was a bit harder until I did all

Re: [Emc-users] BLDC Hal component

2015-02-01 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 01 February 2015 13:41:03 Karlsson Wang did opine And Gene did reply: It might simply be because resolvers are analog which considered to be old technology. It is useful to have some extra resolution above the accuracy for the control loop and I think resolvers usually have higher

Re: [Emc-users] BLDC Hal component

2015-02-01 Thread dave
On 02/01/2015 09:49 AM, andy pugh wrote: On 1 February 2015 at 17:05, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com wrote: I know very little about resolvers, but I think it means that resolvers are analog so one needs to determine what the 100% and 0% signal values are, and values in between (to

Re: [Emc-users] BLDC Hal component

2015-01-30 Thread andy pugh
On 30 January 2015 at 16:10, Rene Hopf reneh...@mac.com wrote: 200V @ 10A with resolvers looks like a good candidate for my brushless Driver. I just remembered that Granite Drives have a (very cheap) adaptor to allow use of Resolvers with the Argon drives too. You would almost certainly end up

Re: [Emc-users] BLDC Hal component

2015-01-30 Thread Jon Elson
On 01/30/2015 07:47 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote: I have a feeling that these have resolver and hall sensors as there is huge number of wires on the plug. More that what a resolver will need. Ahh, then our resolver converter would also work will with them. The resolver converter's A-B-Z

Re: [Emc-users] BLDC Hal component

2015-01-30 Thread Jon Elson
On 01/30/2015 06:54 AM, andy pugh wrote: On 30 January 2015 at 12:33, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote: 196V @ 8.5A and looks like a resolver feedback. These are the Lafert. The others I have not seen yet. That sounds a lot like what I have on my mill. Pico-systems have a 160V

Re: [Emc-users] BLDC Hal component

2015-01-30 Thread Rene Hopf
Hi, 200V @ 10A with resolvers looks like a good candidate for my brushless Driver. We are making very good progress at the moment. https://github.com/rene-dev/stmbl If anyone is interested in PCBs, let me know, I will order some in a few weeks. Rene On 30 Jan 2015, at 15:48, andy pugh

Re: [Emc-users] BLDC Hal component

2015-01-30 Thread Marius Liebenberg
I was about to have some made for myself but I will wait for your to be done. -- Original Message -- From: Rene Hopf reneh...@mac.com To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: 2015-01-30 18:10:40 Subject: Re: [Emc-users] BLDC Hal component Hi, 200V

Re: [Emc-users] BLDC Hal component

2015-01-30 Thread Marius Liebenberg
-- Original Message -- From: andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com To: Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za; Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: 2015-01-30 16:48:42 Subject: Re: [Emc-users] BLDC Hal component On 30 January 2015 at 14:41, Marius Liebenberg

Re: [Emc-users] BLDC Hal component

2015-01-30 Thread Gregg Eshelman
On 1/30/2015 7:48 AM, andy pugh wrote: On 30 January 2015 at 14:41, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote: It's actually Pluk n lat vir jou eie gat It's like Dutch isn't it? English but spelt really badly :-) Pluck a lath for your own back I like the Polish Not My Circus, Not My

Re: [Emc-users] BLDC Hal component

2015-01-30 Thread andy pugh
On 30 January 2015 at 13:47, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote: I have a feeling that these have resolver and hall sensors as there is huge number of wires on the plug. More that what a resolver will need. That's interesting and opens up the possibility of using a number of

Re: [Emc-users] BLDC Hal component

2015-01-30 Thread Marius Liebenberg
-- Original Message -- From: andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com To: Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za Cc: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: 2015-01-30 15:57:43 Subject: Re: Re[6]: [Emc-users] BLDC Hal component On 30 January 2015 at 13:47, Marius

Re: [Emc-users] BLDC Hal component

2015-01-30 Thread Belli Button
Maak 'n lat vir jou eie gat? -Original Message- From: Marius Liebenberg [mailto:mar...@mastercut.co.za] Sent: 30 January 2015 15:17 To: andy pugh Cc: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] BLDC Hal component We have a saying in my language that roughly translated

Re: [Emc-users] BLDC Hal component

2015-01-30 Thread Marius Liebenberg
-- Original Message -- From: Belli Button be...@iafrica.com To: 'Marius Liebenberg' mar...@mastercut.co.za; 'Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)' emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: 2015-01-30 16:02:49 Subject: RE: [Emc-users] BLDC Hal component Maak 'n lat vir jou eie gat? It's

Re: [Emc-users] BLDC Hal component

2015-01-30 Thread andy pugh
On 30 January 2015 at 14:41, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote: It's actually Pluk n lat vir jou eie gat It's like Dutch isn't it? English but spelt really badly :-) Pluck a lath for your own back -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto

[Emc-users] BLDC Hal component

2015-01-30 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Will the parport be fast enough for this driver or does one need special hardware? If so, what is recommended? - Regards / Groete Marius D. Liebenberg +27 82 698 3251 +27 12 746 6064 --

Re: [Emc-users] BLDC Hal component

2015-01-30 Thread Marius Liebenberg
@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: 2015-01-30 12:14:43 Subject: Re: [Emc-users] BLDC Hal component On 30 January 2015 at 09:31, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote: Will the parport be fast enough for this driver or does one need special hardware? If so, what is recommended? It is possible to use

Re: [Emc-users] BLDC Hal component

2015-01-30 Thread andy pugh
On 30 January 2015 at 09:31, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote: Will the parport be fast enough for this driver or does one need special hardware? If so, what is recommended? It is possible to use the parport. Someone has managed to spin some Fanuc motors with the Parport and AMC

Re: [Emc-users] BLDC Hal component

2015-01-30 Thread andy pugh
On 30 January 2015 at 12:33, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote: 196V @ 8.5A and looks like a resolver feedback. These are the Lafert. The others I have not seen yet. That sounds a lot like what I have on my mill. Pico-systems have a 160V / 20A servo drive that can probably be

Re: [Emc-users] BLDC Hal component

2015-01-30 Thread Marius Liebenberg
@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: 2015-01-30 14:54:06 Subject: Re: Re[2]: [Emc-users] BLDC Hal component On 30 January 2015 at 12:33, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote: 196V @ 8.5A and looks like a resolver feedback. These are the Lafert. The others I have not seen yet. That sounds a lot like what

Re: [Emc-users] BLDC Hal component

2015-01-30 Thread andy pugh
On 30 January 2015 at 13:16, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote: He said I should covert to steppers for the sake of cost and I said No lets try and make the servos work. I think that the servos + resolvers will work a fair bit better than steppers. I was rather upset when I found

Re: [Emc-users] BLDC Hal component

2015-01-30 Thread Marius Liebenberg
-- Original Message -- From: andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com To: Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za Cc: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: 2015-01-30 15:34:16 Subject: Re: Re[4]: [Emc-users] BLDC Hal component On 30 January 2015 at 13:16, Marius

Re: [Emc-users] BLDC Hal component

2015-01-30 Thread Marius Liebenberg
-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: 2015-01-30 15:34:16 Subject: Re: Re[4]: [Emc-users] BLDC Hal component On 30 January 2015 at 13:16, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote: He said I should covert to steppers for the sake of cost and I said No lets try and make the servos work. I

Re: [Emc-users] BLDC Hal component

2015-01-30 Thread andy pugh
On 30 January 2015 at 10:40, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote: If the parport is not the best option, what would you suggest? One obviously is Mesa but are there others that you know of? I initially wrote the component to support the 7i39, and then extended it for the 8i20, so

Re: [Emc-users] BLDC Hal component

2015-01-30 Thread Marius Liebenberg
-- Original Message -- From: andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com To: Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za; Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: 2015-01-30 13:10:14 Subject: Re: [Emc-users] BLDC Hal component On 30 January 2015 at 10:40, Marius Liebenberg

Re: [Emc-users] BLDC Hal component

2015-01-30 Thread Marius Liebenberg
-- Original Message -- From: andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com To: Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za; Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: 2015-01-30 14:09:39 Subject: Re: [Emc-users] BLDC Hal component I have Lafert motors and another make

Re: [Emc-users] BLDC Hal component

2015-01-30 Thread andy pugh
I have Lafert motors and another make of what I am told are BLDC motors. No drives at the moment hence my search for relevant information. What current, voltage and feedback type are they? -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto