Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC documentation in russian

2012-12-17 Thread Mark Wendt
On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 5:42 PM, Rafael Skodlar ra...@linwin.com wrote: What is interesting is that Americans having European roots did not adopt metric system while Japanese did long time ago. -- Rafael You don't understand the ideas and ideals behind the USA. The USA became the USA to

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC documentation in russian

2012-12-17 Thread andy pugh
On 17 December 2012 10:00, Mark Wendt wendt.m...@gmail.com wrote: You don't understand the ideas and ideals behind the USA. The USA became the USA to get away from Europe. I thought it was to get away from Britain? And changing to the French units would have been a logical part of that. In

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC documentation in russian

2012-12-17 Thread Mark Wendt
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 6:25 AM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: You don't understand the ideas and ideals behind the USA. The USA became the USA to get away from Europe. I thought it was to get away from Britain? And changing to the French units would have been a logical part of that.

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC documentation in russian

2012-12-16 Thread Mark Wendt
On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 4:56 PM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: snippage I am not using the outputs, which offends my sensibilities slightly. Thanks Andy. You owe me a new keyboard for that one... ;-) Made my morning! -- atp Mark

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC documentation in russian

2012-12-16 Thread Mark Wendt
On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 11:31 PM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: andy pugh wrote: Not even using a 9mm? Yeah, the military has been totally metric for quite some time. All guns were metric during the Vietnam war, now everything is metric, tools, maps, parts. Autos are all metric

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC documentation in russian

2012-12-16 Thread Mark Wendt
On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 11:33 PM, dave dengv...@charter.net wrote: Even when I was a GI, Berlin crisis. the maps were partially metric. X,Y grid was Km but the heights were still in feet. ;-) Dave Hmmm, back when I was flying F-4's for Uncle Sam, our charts were all done in nautical miles.

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC documentation in russian

2012-12-16 Thread Peter Blodow
Hello Przemek, yeah, you are right. The world is changing to more commerce, less character rapidly. I think this started when the iron curtain fell - strangely enough, the communist system seems to have been the last part on manhood to keep up ethics and moral standards. I'm not going for more

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC documentation in russian

2012-12-16 Thread dave
On Sun, 2012-12-16 at 01:39 -0500, cogoman wrote: On 12/15/2012 04:23 PM, Ben Potter wrote: I've got a machine with much the same limit (1200 line) - which is somewhat frustrating at times. I couldn't figure out a way to (easily and cheaply) convert it over to linuxcnc without replacing the

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC documentation in russian

2012-12-16 Thread andy pugh
On 16 December 2012 16:42, dave dengv...@charter.net wrote: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ResolverToQuadratureConverter Interesting idea and gives you three channels. I will just point out again that I am no longer trying to use this. There a a number of reasons, not all related to

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC documentation in russian

2012-12-16 Thread Rafael Skodlar
On 12/15/2012 08:33 PM, dave wrote: On Sat, 2012-12-15 at 22:31 -0600, Jon Elson wrote: andy pugh wrote: On 15 December 2012 20:07, Rafael Skodlar ra...@linwin.com wrote: One thing that Americans are terribly conservative about is standards. They will not adopt metric system, not even at

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC documentation in russian

2012-12-16 Thread Ron Ginger
What is interesting is that Americans having European roots did not adopt metric system while Japanese did long time ago. -- Rafael The US did adopt the metric system. The Metric Conversion Act of 1975 (Public Law 94-168) passed by Congress. The Metric Act established the U.S. Metric Board

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC documentation in russian

2012-12-15 Thread Peter Blodow
Przemek, when I want to build (or also keep) up a business I have to be reliable for the customers and grant continuity for my products. Therefore, I have to demand just the same from my suppliers. I will have to put a lot of money into my business, in most cases from loans, and have to keep

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC documentation in russian

2012-12-15 Thread Przemek Klosowski
Peter, when I want to build (or also keep) up a business I have to be reliable for the customers and grant continuity for my products. Therefore, I have to demand just the same from my suppliers. I will have to put a lot of money into my business, in most cases from loans, and have to keep

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC documentation in russian

2012-12-15 Thread andy pugh
On 15 December 2012 09:56, Peter Blodow p.blo...@dreki.de wrote: when I want to build (or also keep) up a business I have to be reliable for the customers and grant continuity for my products. There is an argument that because _any_ programmer can support/fix/modify LinuxCNC that it is more

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC documentation in russian

2012-12-15 Thread Jon Elson
cogoman wrote: I realize many of the technical terms will be left out or translated incorrectly, but sometimes it's enough for someone to get the gist of it. I found a web site that had a page on a certain class A amplifier. The page was in French, and when the page referenced the

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC documentation in russian

2012-12-15 Thread Rafael Skodlar
Hi Peter, On 12/15/2012 01:56 AM, Peter Blodow wrote: Przemek, when I want to build (or also keep) up a business I have to be reliable for the customers and grant continuity for my products. Therefore, I have to demand just the same from my suppliers. I will have to put a lot of money into

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC documentation in russian

2012-12-15 Thread Jon Elson
andy pugh wrote: On 15 December 2012 09:56, Peter Blodow p.blo...@dreki.de wrote: when I want to build (or also keep) up a business I have to be reliable for the customers and grant continuity for my products. There is an argument that because _any_ programmer can

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC documentation in russian

2012-12-15 Thread cogoman
On 12/15/2012 02:14 PM, andy pugh wrote: when I want to build (or also keep) up a business I have to be reliable for the customers and grant continuity for my products. There is an argument that because_any_ programmer can support/fix/modify LinuxCNC that it is more supportable in the long

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC documentation in russian

2012-12-15 Thread andy pugh
On 15 December 2012 20:07, Rafael Skodlar ra...@linwin.com wrote: One thing that Americans are terribly conservative about is standards. They will not adopt metric system, not even at the gun point. Not even using a 9mm? -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it.

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC documentation in russian

2012-12-15 Thread Ben Potter
-Original Message- From: cogoman [mailto:cogo...@optimum.net] Sent: 15 December 2012 20:55 To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC documentation in russian I work with a CNC machine that uses an old Bandit controller. Even though it doesn't do

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC documentation in russian

2012-12-15 Thread Rafael Skodlar
On 12/15/2012 12:57 PM, andy pugh wrote: On 15 December 2012 20:07, Rafael Skodlar ra...@linwin.com wrote: One thing that Americans are terribly conservative about is standards. They will not adopt metric system, not even at the gun point. Not even using a 9mm? they opt for .45 since

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC documentation in russian

2012-12-15 Thread Ben Potter
-Original Message- From: Rafael Skodlar [mailto:ra...@linwin.com] Sent: 15 December 2012 21:27 To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC documentation in russian On 12/15/2012 12:57 PM, andy pugh wrote: I haven't looked into LCNC specifically so I can't

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC documentation in russian

2012-12-15 Thread andy pugh
On 15 December 2012 21:23, Ben Potter b...@bpuk.org wrote: I've got a machine with much the same limit (1200 line) - which is somewhat frustrating at times. I couldn't figure out a way to (easily and cheaply) convert it over to linuxcnc without replacing the existing drives and resolvers I

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC documentation in russian

2012-12-15 Thread andy pugh
On 15 December 2012 21:27, Rafael Skodlar ra...@linwin.com wrote: On the other hand, if the text for UI comes from separate files it would be relatively easy to make translations. It is easy, and it has been done. If your PC is set to any of Romanina, Finnish, Polish, Serbian, Slovakian,

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC documentation in russian

2012-12-15 Thread dave
On Sat, 2012-12-15 at 12:07 -0800, Rafael Skodlar wrote: massive snip Well, that would not happen without help from the USA to rebuild West Germany after the war. At least the rate of reconstruction would be much slower for whole EU. Remember that huge number of men were killed in the war

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC documentation in russian

2012-12-15 Thread dave
On Sat, 2012-12-15 at 21:23 +, Ben Potter wrote: -Original Message- From: cogoman [mailto:cogo...@optimum.net] Sent: 15 December 2012 20:55 To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC documentation in russian I work with a CNC machine

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC documentation in russian

2012-12-15 Thread Jon Elson
Ben Potter wrote: Oddly enough, there was a post from Tim James earlier today about a conversion chip which looks like it may allow me to use the original resolvers - bringing the pain of conversion down to tolerable levels. I've been making resolver to quadrature converters for several

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC documentation in russian

2012-12-15 Thread dave
On Sat, 2012-12-15 at 22:31 -0600, Jon Elson wrote: andy pugh wrote: On 15 December 2012 20:07, Rafael Skodlar ra...@linwin.com wrote: One thing that Americans are terribly conservative about is standards. They will not adopt metric system, not even at the gun point. Not

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC documentation in russian

2012-12-15 Thread cogoman
On 12/15/2012 04:23 PM, Ben Potter wrote: I've got a machine with much the same limit (1200 line) - which is somewhat frustrating at times. I couldn't figure out a way to (easily and cheaply) convert it over to linuxcnc without replacing the existing drives and resolvers - which made it a

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC documentation in russian

2012-12-14 Thread John Thornton
That is my thoughts exactly, why clutter up the repo with untranslated docs. All the master docs and the html indexes use the English docs unless it is a real translated chapter in the case of the Spanish docs. On 12/13/2012 4:19 PM, Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote: On 12/13/12 15:11 , John

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC documentation in russian

2012-12-14 Thread andy pugh
On 14 December 2012 11:50, John Thornton bjt...@gmail.com wrote: That is my thoughts exactly, why clutter up the repo with untranslated docs I wonder if it would make sense to feed the documents through an auto-translator? It wouldn't be a clean translation, but it might be enough for a

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC documentation in russian

2012-12-14 Thread andy pugh
On 14 December 2012 11:59, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder if it would make sense to feed the documents through an auto-translator? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duolingo Perhaps? http://www.ted.com/talks/luis_von_ahn_massive_scale_online_collaboration.html -- atp If you can't

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC documentation in russian

2012-12-14 Thread John Thornton
You would have to do that paragraph by paragraph making sure not to translate links... There was an attempt to do this in the past and the comment I received was the translation was pure rubbish. The problem seems to be the translators don't speak geek! On 12/14/2012 5:59 AM, andy pugh wrote:

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC documentation in russian

2012-12-14 Thread Chris Radek
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:59:11AM +, andy pugh wrote: I wonder if it would make sense to feed the documents through an auto-translator? One of our primary output formats is html, and the up-to-date English docs are on www.linuxcnc.org. If any user wants to read these through the google

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC documentation in russian

2012-12-14 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/12/14 Andrey stormbringe...@mail.ru: Viesturs, if you read in Russian you can find something here : http://www.cnc-club.ru/forum/viewforum.php?f=15 Thank You! -- Viesturs If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC documentation in russian

2012-12-14 Thread Peter Blodow
Gentlemen, let me explain why this translation business is so complicated. I have translated novels from English to German years ago (for earning money) and l know what I'm talking about. I have also translated a couple hundred sentences of EMC code some months ago (and never seen any of them

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC documentation in russian

2012-12-14 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Peter Blodow p.blo...@dreki.de wrote: Fifth, considering the fact that LinuxCNC has apparently turned into a widely commercially used system in the US (I can tell from the mail group threads) which cannot work in Germany, there are not many serious users

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC documentation in russian

2012-12-14 Thread cogoman
On 12/13/2012 02:29 PM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: But my initial question was about documentation so that I could give the guy something to read and then he would ask me questions rather than I try to figure out, what is the best way to start explaining things. I was surprised that most babelfish

[Emc-users] LinuxCNC documentation in russian

2012-12-13 Thread Viesturs Lācis
Hello! Is there any chance that somebody might have translated LinuxCNC documentation to russian language? I am particularly looking for basic introductions, Getting started guide, because I am now installing a machine at client's site and wanted to give the operator some reading to get familiar

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC documentation in russian

2012-12-13 Thread Sebastian Kuzminsky
On 12/13/12 11:35 , Viesturs Lācis wrote: Is there any chance that somebody might have translated LinuxCNC documentation to russian language? We do not have an official Russian translation of our docs, unfortunately, and I don't know of any unofficial translations floating around. Patches are

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC documentation in russian

2012-12-13 Thread andy pugh
On 13 December 2012 18:35, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any chance that somebody might have translated LinuxCNC documentation to russian language? You don't fancy doing the Latvian translation then? Actually, in all seriousness, translating the _software_ into

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC documentation in russian

2012-12-13 Thread Andrew
2012/12/13 Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.comhttps://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?view=cmfs=1tf=1to=viesturs.la...@gmail.com Hello! Is there any chance that somebody might have translated LinuxCNC documentation to russian language? I am particularly looking for basic introductions,

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC documentation in russian

2012-12-13 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/12/13 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com: On 13 December 2012 18:35, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any chance that somebody might have translated LinuxCNC documentation to russian language? You don't fancy doing the Latvian translation then? Actually, in all

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC documentation in russian

2012-12-13 Thread Sebastian Kuzminsky
On 12/13/12 12:29 , Viesturs Lācis wrote: 2012/12/13 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com: http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a=tree;f=src/po;h=b8792851093add9da9cdae22f094c4875514efb0;hb=HEAD Thanks for the link, now I understand, what it takes to add another language to LinuxCNC. Just

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC documentation in russian

2012-12-13 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/12/13 Sebastian Kuzminsky s...@highlab.com: Translating LinuxCNC is definitely not a weekend project. It's an ongoing effort to keep the translation up-to-date, LinuxCNC is a moving target as the user-visible messages and the English documentation changes. BTW can I change the language

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC documentation in russian

2012-12-13 Thread Kent A. Reed
On 12/13/2012 2:29 PM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: 2012/12/13 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com: On 13 December 2012 18:35, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any chance that somebody might have translated LinuxCNC documentation to russian language? You don't fancy doing the

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC documentation in russian

2012-12-13 Thread Sebastian Kuzminsky
On 12/13/12 15:11 , John Thornton wrote: Actually there is no translated docs in German or Polish and only a few chapters have been translated to Spanish. Has nothing at all been translated to German and Polish?! If so we should drop them! -- Sebastian Kuzminsky

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC documentation in russian

2012-12-13 Thread Jon Elson
Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote: On 12/13/12 11:35 , Viesturs Lācis wrote: Is there any chance that somebody might have translated LinuxCNC documentation to russian language? We do not have an official Russian translation of our docs, unfortunately, and I don't know of any unofficial