andy pugh wrote:
> Are you talking about retrofitting LinuxCNC to a used CNC machine here?
> Many old CNC machines have good iron but broken/old/rubbish
> controllers. A controller-only retrofit of those machines can be
> fairly quick and fairly cheap.
>
One comment. Many machines from perhaps
k...@gmail.com wrote:
> There is a bit of talk on some machine shop forums, arguments perhaps, that
> retrofitting a machine is a waste of time.
> And that it's time and money well spent to just buy a good used
> machine and move on with making money with it.
> Any comments on this from the list?
>
here my findings running a CNC machine shop full time
we now have 4 machines on Linuxcnc (3x Laths all hardinge , 1x VMC
leadwell) soon to be 5 (will be a 2nd VMC) all around 1985up machines ,
these machines had good solid Iron (something some of the newer ones
lack), with only a few needed serv
On 13 May 2012 21:12, Roger Holmquist wrote:
>> 1) differential analogue ports: in 4, out 4 ,resolution 12 bits,
>> sample rate 10 Ms / s
That might be tricky, what's the application?
--
atp
If you can't fix it, you don't own it.
http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto
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> Well, I have read your arguments and I guess I'm in!
>
>
> I think I will start with the 2-core Intel atom board Viesturs
> mentioned.
> And then we have the pheripherals, here is my very preliminary
> wish-list, (not much knowledge of my lathe control-interfaces ):
>
>
> PCI:
> 1) diff
2012/5/13 andy pugh :
> On 13 May 2012 20:34, Viesturs Lācis wrote:
>
>> which means that nobody owns
>> it and thus there is nobody to hold responsible for something. That is
>> the only drawback of opensource I have seen so far.
>
> You can sell this as a feature, in some ways. If there is a pro
On 13 May 2012 20:34, Viesturs Lācis wrote:
> which means that nobody owns
> it and thus there is nobody to hold responsible for something. That is
> the only drawback of opensource I have seen so far.
You can sell this as a feature, in some ways. If there is a problem
then _any_ programmer they
2012/5/13 Stuart Stevenson :
>
> Part of the LinuxCNC problem is the person signing the check trusts Fanuc
> or Allan Bradley because it is familiar and safe.
In this context every new startup machine tool maker faces the market
unawareness - people do not know it, so are not very trustful, not to
If we could get rid of the two or three gripes LinuxCNC would easily be the
control of choice for almost anything.
How long did it take for the IBM pc to lose the lead. I used to hear a
snooty 'I have an IBM' when discussing PCs.
How long has it taken Linux to even be in the same sentence as Window
Of course there are some people and businesses for which a retrofit will
make no sense. For our organization (community group with almost no
capital to speak of but lots of volunteer time/interest), our LinuxCNC
retrofits have been great. We are a group of hackers, many of whom
subscribe to the "
Stuart, I think that I will mark Your email for later reference,
because it perfectly explains the same situation I was 3 years ago as
a result of which I am now making my living on building cnc machines
or retrofitting existing ones and LinuxCNC is the only and exclusive
controller for me.
Sometim
2012/5/13 Stephen Dubovsky :
> On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Viesturs Lācis
> wrote:
>
>> LinuxCNC is advanced enough that the functionality of the retrofitted
>> machine will totally match capabilities of brand new machine.
>>
>>
> LinuxCNC isn't the problem. The old iron is. And it has noth
I don't want to start a war with this BUT almost all the these opinions are
done by people with the desire to buy new machines or sell new machines.
Over one half the machines in my two shops were purchased new. The new
machines are no faster or productive than new machines. In fact, last
Friday I
USD10,000 equals 1 to 3 control repairs. A retrofit can be less than 10k
and avoid current and further control repairs.
A retrofit to replace a control that repair parts are unavailable for makes
all kinds of sense.
On one of my machines with a functioning control (year model 1998 and the
control r
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Viesturs Lācis wrote:
> LinuxCNC is advanced enough that the functionality of the retrofitted
> machine will totally match capabilities of brand new machine.
>
>
LinuxCNC isn't the problem. The old iron is. And it has nothing to do w/
the condition of old iron.
2012/5/13 dave :
>
> It depends on the final usage. If you are commercial paying 10K to
> refit a machine it may not make much sense.
Could You, please, explain, why not?
If the overall condition of mechanics of machine is very good, the
controller is dead (could be some minor issues with mechanic
On Sat, 12 May 2012 15:03:43 -0700
Tux Lab wrote:
> Used cnc machines are so common and fairly inexpensive, retrofitting
> with EMC doesn't make that much sense once you factor in the amount of
> time it take to do a retofit. However, if a replacement machine cost
> hundreds of thousands, or if
On Sat, 12 May 2012 22:30:13 -0400
BRIAN GLACKIN wrote:
> >
> >
>
>
>
> > I think this has a lot to do with a focus on production and not on
> > the techie side.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
>
> I can appreciate this. Unfortunately, this can be a blind side for
> the business. The gentleman I spok
>
>
> I think this has a lot to do with a focus on production and not on the
> techie side.
>
> Dave
>
>
I can appreciate this. Unfortunately, this can be a blind side for the
business. The gentleman I spoke with that had the unit said they had not
run it in three years and rather than do so
On Sat, 12 May 2012 13:26:51 -0400
BRIAN GLACKIN wrote:
> I have seen recently a local machine shop "throw away" an Index
> Vertical Mill with a dead control for $300 on Craigslist. I was the
> second caller THe mill was identical to one sold on government
> liqudators for $2,500 several mo
what is this 'spare time' that you mention? i'm intrigued.
--- On Sat, 5/12/12, cogoman wrote:
> From: cogoman
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] OT-Retrofitting machines
> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"
> Date: Saturday, May 12, 2012, 8:36 AM
>
On 12 May 2012 23:03, Tux Lab wrote:
> Used cnc machines are so common and fairly inexpensive, retrofitting
> with EMC doesn't make that much sense once you factor in the amount of
> time it take to do a retofit.
Are you talking about retrofitting LinuxCNC to a used CNC machine here?
Many old CNC
Used cnc machines are so common and fairly inexpensive, retrofitting
with EMC doesn't make that much sense once you factor in the amount of
time it take to do a retofit. However, if a replacement machine cost
hundreds of thousands, or if you are doing 10 or 20 machines, then
retrofitting can proba
this thread?
http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/cnc-machining/old-cnc-machine-retrofit-success-stories-245900/
Converting from a proprietary expensive control that is a black box and
expensive to fix to a open source open hardware pc based control seems
like a no brainer... You are also goin
I have seen recently a local machine shop "throw away" an Index Vertical
Mill with a dead control for $300 on Craigslist. I was the second
caller THe mill was identical to one sold on government liqudators for
$2,500 several months ago with a speared control cabinet.
According to the half ow
Uh, it can be entertaining to make money! :)
On May 12, 2012 12:17 PM, "andy pugh" wrote:
> On 12 May 2012 15:15, k...@gmail.com wrote:
> > There is a bit of talk on some machine shop forums, arguments perhaps,
> that
> > retrofitting a machine is a waste of time.
>
> I think it depends on wha
On 12 May 2012 15:15, k...@gmail.com wrote:
> There is a bit of talk on some machine shop forums, arguments perhaps, that
> retrofitting a machine is a waste of time.
I think it depends on what you mean by "retrofitting".
Converting a manual machine probably does't make much sense in many
cases.
Well dk, this is part of my tasks starting on monday...
I do indeed already have some experience as mentioned on this list and
elsewhere and I have in fact not decided yet what to think.
You and other interested parties are welcome to follow the development on the
Swedish front.
There is certain
On 05/12/2012 10:15 AM, k...@gmail.com wrote:
> There is a bit of talk on some machine shop forums, arguments perhaps, that
> retrofitting a machine is a waste of time.
> And that it's time and money well spent to just buy a good used
> machine and move on with making money with it.
> Any comments
2012/5/12 k...@gmail.com :
> There is a bit of talk on some machine shop forums, arguments perhaps, that
> retrofitting a machine is a waste of time.
[irony=true]
Yes, of course, retrofitting 20-years old machine with a budget 7K EUR
is total waste of money, better purchase new machining centre fo
It also depends what you mean by good used.
a dead control with good machine
a machine with no control
a manual machine
I retrofitted to an educational machine where the computer was out of date
the machine itself looked like it had done no work at all
so for £330 +carriage I had the mechanics a
I've found the older controls a giant pain in the ass to run and
LinuxCNC is a joy to run... well worth it to me to convert to gain the
improved capabilities of a modern control. Now if I just had some time
to finish my Anilam conversion...
John
On 5/12/2012 9:15 AM, k...@gmail.com wrote:
> Th
There is a bit of talk on some machine shop forums, arguments perhaps, that
retrofitting a machine is a waste of time.
And that it's time and money well spent to just buy a good used
machine and move on with making money with it.
Any comments on this from the list?
dk
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