On Friday 18 October 2013 13:31:43 Dave Cole did opine:
> If you have a torch, Mapp or Acetylene/Air at least, you can silver
> solder Stainless.Which is probably the way to go if it is thin tube.
>
> Dave
I have a MAPP kit, bought it new several years ago. Its worthless, the
fire is not c
If you have a torch, Mapp or Acetylene/Air at least, you can silver
solder Stainless.Which is probably the way to go if it is thin tube.
Dave
On 10/18/2013 12:19 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Friday 18 October 2013 12:05:22 andy pugh did opine:
>
>> On 18 October 2013 16:48, Gene Heskett wro
On Friday 18 October 2013 12:05:22 andy pugh did opine:
> On 18 October 2013 16:48, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Funny part is, you don't go shopping, and then
> > make, I tend to make & then go shopping to see if I could have bought
> > it cheaper & faster.
>
> I quite often go shopping in unexpecte
On 18 October 2013 16:48, Gene Heskett wrote:
> Funny part is, you don't go shopping, and then
> make, I tend to make & then go shopping to see if I could have bought it
> cheaper & faster.
I quite often go shopping in unexpected places when I decide to make
something on a sunday or late at nigh
On Friday 18 October 2013 11:37:40 Dave Cole did opine:
> Gene, that is really good news ...
> I'll tell my friends in Warsaw that they will have to cancel their new
> Yacht purchase since your knee will be ok! ;-)
>
Chuckle. Yeah, as an old Iowa farm kid, doing what you can with what you
hav
It just bothers me to no end that Insurance companies have managed
(finagled) themselves into the position of "gate keeper" to health care.
In doing so have pushed the cost of said health care to the moon.
I wish I could negotiate similar rates to what the insurance companies have
done, and not hav
Gene, that is really good news ...
I'll tell my friends in Warsaw that they will have to cancel their new
Yacht purchase since your knee will be ok! ;-)
Apparently... you are not as old as you feel. :-)
Dave
On 10/18/2013 10:35 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Friday 18 October 2013 10:08:09 Pe
On Friday 18 October 2013 10:08:09 Peter Blodow did opine:
> Am 16.10.2013 20:36, schrieb Gene Heskett:
> > Looks like I'll pass in any event. Hopefully I find out tomorrow how
> > much it will cost me to get a left knee that blocks x-rays.
>
> Gene,
> having read about all this fuss with US heal
Am 16.10.2013 20:36, schrieb Gene Heskett:
> Looks like I'll pass in any event. Hopefully I find out tomorrow how
> much it will cost me to get a left knee that blocks x-rays.
Gene,
having read about all this fuss with US health insurance, in your case
it seems to me having one would be helpful
On Thursday 17 October 2013 09:25:21 Dave Cole did opine:
> On 10/16/2013 9:30 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > 'm guessing a lot more than that lathe costs ...
> > Yeah, I've heard rumors of 30 large. I'll limp along on this for that
> > sort of money. I can make me a polio style brace for far less t
On 10/16/2013 9:30 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> 'm guessing a lot more than that lathe costs ...
> Yeah, I've heard rumors of 30 large. I'll limp along on this for that sort
> of money. I can make me a polio style brace for far less than that. It is
> improving, albeit slowly but I'm only using the
On Wednesday 16 October 2013 21:21:58 Dave Cole did opine:
> On 10/16/2013 2:36 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Looks like I'll pass in any event. Hopefully I find out tomorrow how
> > much it will cost me to get a left knee that blocks x-rays.
>
> I'm guessing a lot more than that lathe costs ...
That was tong in cheek. I understand and agree with the sentiments. I
sometimes have to de-tune windows in order to get Mach to perform
sufficiently on some machines. I will only use Mach if my user insists
and if they dont have much inclination to get to know their machine.
On 2013/10/16 10:36
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Marius Liebenberg
wrote:
> Are we naive because...?
I clipped it there because naive in the context I used it in means a
person that doesn't have the experience or understanding required to
make a proper judgement, in this case about whether mach has lower
require
Not quite wasted I don't think, because the extra power gives you more
acceleration which is important for keeping your speed up on corners and
smaller arcs for plamsa cutting.
On 10/16/2013 11:48 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
> Yes Ricardo, mostly cost and simplicity.
> I love servos but if I qu
On 10/16/2013 2:36 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> Looks like I'll pass in any event. Hopefully I find out tomorrow how much
> it will cost me to get a left knee that blocks x-rays.
I'm guessing a lot more than that lathe costs ...
Most of the artificial joints made in the USA are made just west of me
On Wednesday 16 October 2013 14:28:15 Dave Cole did opine:
> In the midwest USA, that would be worth scrap value less the haul away
> charge..
I am in WV. I don't think scrap cast even makes $180/ton here.
> Scrap like that is going for about $220 per ton around me.That guy
> will be waiti
In the midwest USA, that would be worth scrap value less the haul away
charge..
Scrap like that is going for about $220 per ton around me.That guy
will be waiting a long. time if he wants more than scrap value for it..
Sounds like a lot of work!
Dave
On 10/16/2013 2:04 PM, Gene Hesket
On Wednesday 16 October 2013 13:40:05 Dave Cole did opine:
> Sure Mach3 can have hardware issues also.. that is well documented.
> The usual solution is to use a different PC motherboard, which is pretty
> much what the LinuxCNC guys end up doing also.Mach3 is not
> recommended for laptops si
Yes Ricardo, mostly cost and simplicity.
I love servos but if I quoted servos for every machine I would be very
hungry and weight a lot less than what I do now. :)
I have never set up a machine with steppers that is not as accurate as
any servo. The only big downside with steppers for me is the s
Personally having used both mach3 as well as LinuxCNC now for awhile, I can
honestly say that I would never go back to Mach3. It was quirky at best
for me and did a lot of funky things for no apparent reason. The basic
system was stable but you could not do to much dancing around on the main
scree
Sure Mach3 can have hardware issues also.. that is well documented.
The usual solution is to use a different PC motherboard, which is pretty
much what the LinuxCNC guys end up doing also.Mach3 is not
recommended for laptops since their power saving "features" often screw
things up.
I c
Hi Marius, did you say that about cost reasons of steppers against servos?
regards
rick
2013/10/16 Marius Liebenberg :
> Are we naive because we use steppers or because we dont know what is
> happening. I have used steppers on both systems for a long time. If the
> machine is operated within decen
Are we naive because we use steppers or because we dont know what is
happening. I have used steppers on both systems for a long time. If the
machine is operated within decent operating limits, you will not have
any problems whatsoever. Even when running steppers. Dont believe that
servos are an
Matthew;
I agree with the "will my computer work" comment - an intuitive
observation. We set expectations for LinuxCNC to fail unless lucky, whilst
Mach3 sets it up to run, and failure is an "unlucky" event.
Also, LinuxCNC focuses on software stepping, which requires good latency,
whilst Mach3 pe
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Dr.Mclem wrote:
> Mach3 gives the impression it will run on any motherboard and it not clear to
> new users what advantage if anything the rt kernel gives for that uncertainty.
I can't imagine that Mach doesn't have the same problems as linuxcnc
with hardware, i
Sorry for posting late to this one, but I think a big "off putting" issue
remains the hardware requirements for the real time kernel. Anybody wanting to
just try it out always has doubts, based on reading the wiki on whether a
computer they happen to have, or to purchase will run it ok and not e
replying to wasn't
even talking about WinCNC.
- Original Message -
From: "andy pugh"
To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 7:27:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Perceived issues with LinuxCNC.
On 10 October 2013 12:22, Todd
Russell Brown wrote:
> A lot of folk are actually scared of configurability (sp?). As others
> have noted, they want an appliance not something that's a project in
> it's own right.
>
Well, configurability shouldn't be a negative if somebody has already
created
the configuration the way you ne
and many other G codes, that I rely on. WinCNC is a
different software which I don't know.
Rindert
Message: 5
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 07:22:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Todd Zuercher"
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Perceived issues with LinuxCNC.
To: "Enhanced Mac
ead limitations.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "RINDERT SCHUTTEN"
> To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2013 1:09:29 PM
> Subject: [Emc-users] Perceived issues with LinuxCNC.
>
> So I recently got my second CNC machine for m
Quoth Charles Steinkuehler.
>On 10/8/2013 12:35 PM, Bruce Layne wrote:
>> For all of these little stepper based routers and other small systems
>> (most of the installations), what could be easier than installing
>> Linux (with lots of other goodies) and LinuxCNC from an ISO
>
>That's why I'm
On 10 October 2013 12:22, Todd Zuercher
wrote:
> Our set up is on a multi head gang router (4 independent Z axis). This is a
> relatively simple configuration in WinCNC but would be very difficult to
> configure in LinuxCNC.
What does the G-code look like for that?
--
a
rving) because of LinuxCNCs line look ahead
limitations.
- Original Message -
From: "RINDERT SCHUTTEN"
To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2013 1:09:29 PM
Subject: [Emc-users] Perceived issues with LinuxCNC.
So I recently got my second CNC machine for my
So I recently got my second CNC machine for my small business.
The first machine was a DIY kit, and (obviously) I used EMC on Ubuntu. Got the
CD, installed it on my old PC went through the stepconf wizard, and it ran!
Since then have created lots of Gcode and products.
I said obviously, becau
On Wednesday 09 October 2013 12:09:43 Dave Caroline did opine:
> On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 4:55 PM, andy pugh wrote:
> > On 9 October 2013 16:50, Eric Keller wrote:
> >> I think a lot of us would want appliance-like behavior. The problem
> >> is the user base of lcnc to date all seem to have weird
On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 4:55 PM, andy pugh wrote:
> On 9 October 2013 16:50, Eric Keller wrote:
>
>> I think a lot of us would want appliance-like behavior. The problem
>> is the user base of lcnc to date all seem to have weird requirements.
>
> My requirements are not weird at all, but as for th
On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 4:55 PM, andy pugh wrote:
> On 9 October 2013 16:50, Eric Keller wrote:
>
>> I think a lot of us would want appliance-like behavior. The problem
>> is the user base of lcnc to date all seem to have weird requirements.
>
> My requirements are not weird at all, but as for th
On 9 October 2013 16:50, Eric Keller wrote:
> I think a lot of us would want appliance-like behavior. The problem
> is the user base of lcnc to date all seem to have weird requirements.
My requirements are not weird at all, but as for the rest of you, they
certainly are.
--
atp
If you can't f
On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Charles Buckley wrote:
> But, yeah.. we gave out over 200 business cards - over 10% of the adults
> of the Faire - and they all wanted appliance like behavior.
I think a lot of us would want appliance-like behavior. The problem
is the user base of lcnc to date
On 2013-10-09 05:35, Dave Cole wrote:
> The movement of LinuxCNC onto the Beagle Board is a big move in the
> right direction..
>
I would say, the spreading not the move to SoCs. ;)
IMHO:
The power of lcnc is it's openess in all direction.
Not "just in time", but "just in case" is the "answer".
L
That matches what I saw to a large extent. We had to translate what they
knew about 3D printing and computers to milling.
Although, as the day went on, our demographics started skewing older. The
working theory for that is that the 20-year olds loved the technology. The
older ones loved making thi
>The educational idiots in this country bought into the idea that
>"Manufacturing has no future".
>
>Now, everytime I visit a machine shop, I get the same question... "Do
>you know any good machinists looking for work??"
To be fair, that was pretty much true for people just coming out of
school a
I have never heard anyone say more than $200 for hobby users.. . and
$1000 for a really good industrial version is generally not a problem
"IF" there is sufficient reason to use it over LinuxCNC or some other
CNC software system.
But if you can't get it, does it matter?? NO!
LinuxCNC, Mach3/
You can thank the de-industrialization of the High School shops for that!
The educational idiots in this country bought into the idea that
"Manufacturing has no future".
Now, everytime I visit a machine shop, I get the same question... "Do
you know any good machinists looking for work??"
Recen
Charles;
I did that last August 30 /September 1 long weekend in Ottawa Canada.
I had a little CNC'd Unimat lathe running LinuxCNC.
Generally:
1) People under 30 knew about the computerization but said "what's that
machine supposed to do?"
2) People over 30 either had a Unimat when they were ki
Charles;
I did that last August 30 /September 1 long weekend in Ottawa Canada.
I had a little CNC'd Unimat lathe running LinuxCNC. Not actually throwing
swarf, but just axes moving.
Generally:
1) People under 30 knew about the computerization but said "what's that
machine supposed to do?"
2) P
I was at a Mini Maker Faire this past weekend. Had 3000 people attend. Of
the 1000, or so, who stopped by our booth which had 5 milling machines, I
don't think more than a dozen were machinists or had an interest in
learning to be machinists.
What was common - extremely common - were people w
On 10/9/2013 12:43 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
> And to add fuel to the Mach4 fire. They are planning a cost of around
> $1000 - $2000 for a single seat. This is where they will fall out the
> bus. It will just become to unaffordable for anyone but very serious
> users and in my opinion, very seri
On Tue, 08 Oct 2013 13:18:56 -0500, you wrote:
>so - they want something like this? (thanks cmorley - (even if it was
>just a proof of concept)... :) )
>
>http://linuxcnc.org/media/kunena/attachments/482/mapped.png
>
>http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/41-guis/26174-screen-shots-of-gui
On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 1:30 PM, John Thornton wrote:
> Oh and I forgot, many use Mark because someone will set up their machine
> for them and many vendors sell Mark with their products...
>
> JT
>
I hate it when they use me like that without any recompense. ;-)
Mark
--
On 10/8/2013 12:18 PM, sam sokolik wrote:
> so - they want something like this? (thanks cmorley - (even if it was
> just a proof of concept)... :) )
>
> http://linuxcnc.org/media/kunena/attachments/482/mapped.png
>
> http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/41-guis/26174-screen-shots-of-gui-de
On 10/8/2013 11:04 AM, John Alexander Stewart wrote:
> Hi all;
>
> Over at http://www.model-engineer.co.uk/forums/postings.asp?th=88623#1507866
>
> (Model Engineer forums, a thread about reworking a Warco Lathe) are some
> interesting and honest feedback postings.
>
> LinuxCNC works wonderfully, bu
And to add fuel to the Mach4 fire. They are planning a cost of around
$1000 - $2000 for a single seat. This is where they will fall out the
bus. It will just become to unaffordable for anyone but very serious
users and in my opinion, very serious users normally use LCNC.
On 2013/10/09 05:35 AM,
Things are a changing...
The whole argument about who owns the desktop is irrelevant. It's like
talking about who makes the best mini computer..(for those of us who
have lived that long.. )
I'm not exactly typical, but in the past year I have purchased 2 Windows
8 laptops, more than 6 Android
On 10/08/13 18:08, Charles Buckley wrote:
> The paradigm is shifting also when you get to 3D printers. They want
> appliance and appliance like behavior. Zero interest in becoming
> machinists.
This applies to hackerspaces too. Most hackerspaces, and even quite a
few hobby users now have serious
sam sokolik wrote:
> so - they want something like this? (thanks cmorley - (even if it was
> just a proof of concept)... :) )
>
> http://linuxcnc.org/media/kunena/attachments/482/mapped.png
>
>
Arrgh! it looks like a pinball machine!
An interesting conversation I had with a Mach user some t
On 9 October 2013 00:08, Charles Buckley wrote:
> It has a few nice features. You can reconfigure and play with settings from
> within the app, for instance. You don't have to exit, then return.
You can actually reconfigure LinuxCNC on the fly, including changing
the HAL wiring if you want.
Ther
There are a few other factors. Yes, Mach is fairly common. Used in a lot of
shops.
It has a few nice features. You can reconfigure and play with settings from
within the app, for instance. You don't have to exit, then return. You can
easily swap between GUI skins from within the app. (Seems like s
On 8 October 2013 18:35, Bruce Layne wrote:
> I know better than to insist that the market is wrong because it picked
> the wrong product. Obviously, there is a market for Mach
Also, there are people trying to market Mach. People make money from
it, so there is an incentive to advertise and push
On Tue, 2013-10-08 at 16:09 -0500, Charles Steinkuehler wrote:
> On 10/8/2013 12:35 PM, Bruce Layne wrote:
> > For all of these little stepper based routers and other small systems
> > (most of the installations), what could be easier than installing
> > Linux (with lots of other goodies) and Linux
On 10/8/2013 12:35 PM, Bruce Layne wrote:
> For all of these little stepper based routers and other small systems
> (most of the installations), what could be easier than installing
> Linux (with lots of other goodies) and LinuxCNC from an ISO burned to
> a flash thumb drive, then running StepConf?
On Tue, 2013-10-08 at 16:46 -0400, Eric Keller wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Ron Ginger wrote:
>
> >
> > It will be interesting when Mach4 runs on linux and Mac to see how many
> > use that instead of windows.
> I hope they aren't spending too much time or resources on making it
> work
On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Ron Ginger wrote:
>
> It will be interesting when Mach4 runs on linux and Mac to see how many
> use that instead of windows.
I hope they aren't spending too much time or resources on making it
work on linux. The only thing less successful than a linux app is a
lin
In the late 90's I was a unix consultant, and for a time ran the
operations of a telecom company with a total Linux shop. I know (knew?)
linux well and was part of the cheering section when some believed linux
would soon overtake windows on the desktop.
It didnt happen. Linux has a single digit
2013/10/8 Marcus Bowman
> ...
> > On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Bruce Layne
> > wrote:
> > For all of these
> >> little stepper based routers and other small systems (most of the
> >> installations), what could be easier than installing Linux (with lots of
> >> other goodies) and LinuxCNC from
There's no right or wrong about this, but I agree this has a lot to do with
Windows' dominance.
It also has a LOT to do with people's comfort levels. As computing has become
an established consumer-led and mature market, so we now have many many users
(and potential users of CNC systems) who kno
so - they want something like this? (thanks cmorley - (even if it was
just a proof of concept)... :) )
http://linuxcnc.org/media/kunena/attachments/482/mapped.png
http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/41-guis/26174-screen-shots-of-gui-designs
It is 'beauty is in they eye' as when I look
On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Bruce Layne
wrote:
For all of these
> little stepper based routers and other small systems (most of the
> installations), what could be easier than installing Linux (with lots of
> other goodies) and LinuxCNC from an ISO burned to a flash thumb drive,
> then runnin
I know better than to insist that the market is wrong because it picked
the wrong product. Obviously, there is a market for Mach and I wish
them every success. However, I do think that part of Mach's success is
tied to Windows success. People dance with the devil they know.
For my needs, Lin
Oh and I forgot, many use Mark because someone will set up their machine
for them and many vendors sell Mark with their products...
JT
On 10/8/2013 12:04 PM, John Alexander Stewart wrote:
> Hi all;
>
> Over at http://www.model-engineer.co.uk/forums/postings.asp?th=88623#1507866
>
> (Model Engine
My guess is they are color blind or base their choice on dated
information, with the exception of a few that must have jog while paused
but don't do any threading or rigid tapping...
JT
On 10/8/2013 12:04 PM, John Alexander Stewart wrote:
> Hi all;
>
> Over at http://www.model-engineer.co.uk/fo
Hi all;
Over at http://www.model-engineer.co.uk/forums/postings.asp?th=88623#1507866
(Model Engineer forums, a thread about reworking a Warco Lathe) are some
interesting and honest feedback postings.
LinuxCNC works wonderfully, but has an issue with user perceptions - they
are used to the look a
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