Re: [Emc-users] Temperature Controller with nested PID loops

2011-02-19 Thread Dave
Personally I like top posting... :-) I think automatic tuning PID controllers have improved in the last 30 years, the software has become friendlier, but there are still things that need manual tuning, or at least some type of manual intervention. I'm sure you can get a PID controller that

Re: [Emc-users] Temperature Controller with nested PID loops

2011-02-19 Thread Ed Nisley
On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 19:53 -0800, Kirk Wallace wrote: I might not have to be the only one that's always right. I regard it as my solemn obligation to be one of the two dozen folks who are (almost) always wrong... after all, without me, how could you possibly look so good? [grin] -- Ed

Re: [Emc-users] Temperature Controller with nested PID loops

2011-02-19 Thread andy pugh
On 19 February 2011 01:27, cogoman cogo...@optimum.net wrote: I have an unusual application that might be great for EMC2.  I have a small block of aluminum that need to be heated to a specific temperature. When you only have a hammer every problem looks like a nail. I think that EMC2 is

Re: [Emc-users] Temperature Controller with nested PID loops

2011-02-18 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 20:27 -0500, cogoman wrote: ... snip I imagine a setup where three 500 watt halogen bulbs in series (giving maybe 250 watts worth of heat, and a lifetime that will outlive me) are nestled in an aluminum plate. Why not:

Re: [Emc-users] Temperature Controller with nested PID loops

2011-02-18 Thread Dave
I think you are talking about cascaded PID loops. Where there is an outer loop that drives an inner loop. The classic example is a vat, vessel, or reactor that is used to combine or mix ingredients which has a steam jacket around it. Here is a description:

Re: [Emc-users] Temperature Controller with nested PID loops

2011-02-18 Thread dave
On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 23:08 -0500, Dave wrote: I'm going to top post for brevity. http://www.redlion.net/Products/ProcessControl/PIDControllers.html 30 years ago I used something like this for controlling a muffle furnace to 600 C +- a degree or so. Self tuning pid loop. I would hope the