Re: [Emc-users] toolchange numbers are confusing on the documentation

2020-04-23 Thread andrew beck
21, 2020 5:05 PM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] toolchange numbers are confusing on the > documentation > > [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Be sure links are safe. > > I think you should also have some logic to eliminate the possibility of > the manual t

Re: [Emc-users] toolchange numbers are confusing on the documentation

2020-04-23 Thread Todd Zuercher
:  (330)828-2105ext. 2031 -Original Message- From: Stuart Stevenson Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 5:05 PM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] toolchange numbers are confusing on the documentation [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Be sure links are safe. I think you should also

Re: [Emc-users] toolchange numbers are confusing on the documentation

2020-04-21 Thread andrew beck
I think I might as well interlock the whole lot. manual unclamp can only operate if machine is in manual mode. if spindle is stopped, and if the toolchanger is not currently operating. maybe if the Hal toolchange pin goes high that can turn off the manual toolchange unclamp. I will just put

Re: [Emc-users] toolchange numbers are confusing on the documentation

2020-04-21 Thread Jon Elson
On 04/21/2020 04:04 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote: I think you should also have some logic to eliminate the possibility of the manual tool change button releasing the tool during any operation other than the manual mode. You don't want to tool change button to release the tool while the spindle is

Re: [Emc-users] toolchange numbers are confusing on the documentation

2020-04-21 Thread Stuart Stevenson
I think you should also have some logic to eliminate the possibility of the manual tool change button releasing the tool during any operation other than the manual mode. You don't want to tool change button to release the tool while the spindle is running or during an automatic tool change. On

Re: [Emc-users] toolchange numbers are confusing on the documentation

2020-04-21 Thread Jon Elson
On 04/20/2020 10:39 PM, John Dammeyer wrote: Sorry, I may have been premature. The STMBL has a HAL like interface for configuration. It has the AND operation for example: # Now enable drive if external signal there load and and0.rt_prio = 12 fault0.en=io0.C78 # No fault when not enabled.

Re: [Emc-users] toolchange numbers are confusing on the documentation

2020-04-20 Thread andrew beck
ew needs to >> do is bring in his button as an OR (parallel) rung >> in his ladder rung that turns on the "unclamp" >> output. >> >> -- Ralph >> ________ >> From: John Dammeyer [jo...@autoartisans.com] &

Re: [Emc-users] toolchange numbers are confusing on the documentation

2020-04-20 Thread andrew beck
rom: John Dammeyer [jo...@autoartisans.com] > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 8:39 PM > To: 'Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)' > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] toolchange numbers are confusing on the > documentation > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside the Walla Walla University &

Re: [Emc-users] toolchange numbers are confusing on the documentation

2020-04-20 Thread andrew beck
; > -Original Message- > > From: John Dammeyer [mailto:jo...@autoartisans.com] > > Sent: April-20-20 8:12 PM > > To: 'Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)' > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] toolchange numbers are confusing on the > documentation > > > > HA

Re: [Emc-users] toolchange numbers are confusing on the documentation

2020-04-20 Thread Ralph Stirling
that turns on the "unclamp" output. -- Ralph From: John Dammeyer [jo...@autoartisans.com] Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 8:39 PM To: 'Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)' Subject: Re: [Emc-users] toolchange numbers are confusing on the documentatio

Re: [Emc-users] toolchange numbers are confusing on the documentation

2020-04-20 Thread John Dammeyer
e Controller (EMC)' > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] toolchange numbers are confusing on the documentation > > HAL has both AND and OR operators. I think you can use those to connect two > inputs to an output. > > > -Original Message- > > From: andrew beck [mailto:andre

Re: [Emc-users] toolchange numbers are confusing on the documentation

2020-04-20 Thread John Dammeyer
HAL has both AND and OR operators. I think you can use those to connect two inputs to an output. > -Original Message- > From: andrew beck [mailto:andrewbeck0...@gmail.com] > Sent: April-20-20 6:37 PM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] too

Re: [Emc-users] toolchange numbers are confusing on the documentation

2020-04-20 Thread andrew beck
hey guys just a quick question I have my toolchanger working now pretty good. videos to come soon. the classic ladder toolchanger plc turns on output 6 on the 7i76 io pins which unclamps the spindle drawbar. that all works fine. Now I want to also have a manual spindle unclamp button like on

Re: [Emc-users] toolchange numbers are confusing on the documentation

2020-04-15 Thread andrew beck
Stuart could you please send me a PM with chris radeks email unless of course he sees it here. I have no way of contacting him.. just to confirm does your toolchanger calculate the shortest path and move the chain magazine that way to get to the required pocket? And also I am a little stuck

Re: [Emc-users] toolchange numbers are confusing on the documentation

2020-04-15 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Andrew, Here is a machine of the same make and type as the one I had. https://www.dropbox.com/s/45pwhcvfqr38dfd/Used-Enshu-VMC.jpg?dl=0 It is somewhat different than your machine. My machine didn't have a bidirectional tool change matrix. Your machine looks like a larger edition of the Mori

Re: [Emc-users] toolchange numbers are confusing on the documentation

2020-04-15 Thread andrew beck
Hey andy and stuart Andy thanks for that logic. you are right I can include it in classic ladder or use the hal component. last night I actually found this maths on the centroid websight just doing google searchs for shortest path toolchanger stuff.

Re: [Emc-users] toolchange numbers are confusing on the documentation

2020-04-15 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Andrew, What does your tool changer look like? I see talk about a carousel but when you say your tool change sequence doesn't require Z axis motion I want to see how your carousel works. I have a component I used for a side mounted random pot tool changer and an arm to exchange the tools between

Re: [Emc-users] toolchange numbers are confusing on the documentation

2020-04-15 Thread andy pugh
On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 at 09:04, andrew beck wrote: > it works pretty good if the numbers are 4 and 5 but not if > they are 23 and 0 the magazine goes the long way round and takes ages. > > How would I use your Hal component with this as you say all I want it to > do it chose the correct

Re: [Emc-users] toolchange numbers are confusing on the documentation

2020-04-15 Thread andrew beck
Here are two links that I have found that I am trying to use to help me. one is already made in classic ladder but the output controls a stepper motor and I am not sure if it would work correctly-i can't get it to work for me at least. http://www.vdwalle.com/Norte/Classic%20Ladder%20Examples.html

Re: [Emc-users] toolchange numbers are confusing on the documentation

2020-04-15 Thread andrew beck
Hey andy I have the classic ladder program I have made working fine to chose select the correct pocket and I am getting pretty used to classic ladder now. currently my formulas for choosing direction are simply comparing the current pocket number to the required pocket number (C1 is the current

Re: [Emc-users] toolchange numbers are confusing on the documentation

2020-04-14 Thread andy pugh
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 at 12:02, andrew beck wrote: > I don't quite understand if the carousel component can interlock the motors > so I don't turn both fwd and rev contactors on at the same time for > example. I have been told that the contactors make a quite nice BOOM when > that happens lol. I

Re: [Emc-users] toolchange numbers are confusing on the documentation

2020-04-14 Thread andrew beck
just checked out that carousel component that you wrote andy. It looks very usefull and I will probably use it for my slant bed cnc lathe that I am going to retrofit next. At this stage I would still like to use classic ladder for my toolchanger as I have most of it sussed now and I think it is

Re: [Emc-users] toolchange numbers are confusing on the documentation

2020-04-14 Thread andrew beck
oops sorry Andy! I made that big email replying to you guys and referencing the wiki page but didn't link it lol. here it is.. http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ToolChange regards Andrew On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 10:47 PM andrew beck wrote: > I saw the Hal component that you wrote

Re: [Emc-users] toolchange numbers are confusing on the documentation

2020-04-14 Thread andrew beck
I saw the Hal component that you wrote Andy. My toolchanger doesn't require Z axis movements to work the toolchanger which is why I thought I would use classic ladder.. But I'm fine with whatever works.. I'm starting to like classic ladder now and it's easy to interlock all my motors and

Re: [Emc-users] toolchange numbers are confusing on the documentation

2020-04-14 Thread andy pugh
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 at 05:10, andrew beck wrote: > To actually get this to work, my classic ladder would have a counter set up > triggering as each pocket goes past the sensor. I will get back to your main points later, but there is a HAL component that can do much of the work here:

Re: [Emc-users] toolchange numbers are confusing on the documentation

2020-04-14 Thread andy pugh
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 at 05:10, andrew beck wrote: > here is what is in the wiki Which Wiki page? -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and lunatics." — George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution

Re: [Emc-users] toolchange numbers are confusing on the documentation

2020-04-13 Thread andrew beck
hey Andy and Rene I thought the wiki was the Docs. But looking in the installed html docs that come with the iso as rene said there is nothing about random position toolchanging. Or if there is I would love to know. I think I understand how it works but would appreciate come confirmation.

Re: [Emc-users] toolchange numbers are confusing on the documentation

2020-04-13 Thread Rene Hopf via Emc-users
> On 14. Apr 2020, at 01:20, andy pugh wrote: > > On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 at 23:57, andrew beck wrote: > >> I was just looking at the toolchanger wiki online and it looks like some of >> the info is outdated or wrong. > > Where? > > The Wiki is not "the documentation" > > Maybe it just needs

Re: [Emc-users] toolchange numbers are confusing on the documentation

2020-04-13 Thread andy pugh
On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 at 23:57, andrew beck wrote: > I was just looking at the toolchanger wiki online and it looks like some of > the info is outdated or wrong. Where? The Wiki is not "the documentation" Maybe it just needs wholesale deletion? -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a

[Emc-users] toolchange numbers are confusing on the documentation

2020-04-13 Thread andrew beck
Hi guys I was just looking at the toolchanger wiki online and it looks like some of the info is outdated or wrong. someone has put fix-me comments all over it. Can someone please confirm how this works or if the instructions are correct or not? regards Andrew