Re: [Emc-users] Question about closed loop CNC

2016-01-20 Thread Tomaz T .
Recently I installed Leadshine's nema 34 stepper with integrated encoder, driver used is also from Leadshine, and it is driven by Pico system's Universal Stepper Controller to which is also attached encoder feedback, so system is in close loop and it works very good. One thing I like about Leads

Re: [Emc-users] Question about closed loop CNC

2016-01-19 Thread Jon Elson
On 01/19/2016 01:04 AM, Chris Albertson wrote: > I've read that it is hard to use steppers for closed loop CNC. If this is > still true could some one explain the theory. Stepper drivers have fixed current settings for the windings. When the load increases, the voltage applied by the driver may

Re: [Emc-users] Question about closed loop CNC

2016-01-19 Thread Dave Cole
On 1/19/2016 5:19 AM, andy pugh wrote: > On 19 January 2016 at 07:04, Chris Albertson > wrote: >> I've read that it is hard to use steppers for closed loop CNC. If this is >> still true could some one explain the theory. > This may be a misunderstanding. > It is hard to do anything useful with a

Re: [Emc-users] Question about closed loop CNC

2016-01-19 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 19 January 2016 06:31:10 andy pugh wrote: > On 19 January 2016 at 11:14, Lester Caine wrote: > > The newer 'closed loop' motors are essentially using the same > > approach, but rather than simply applying the same power for longer > > I don't think that this is what the original poster

Re: [Emc-users] Question about closed loop CNC

2016-01-19 Thread Lester Caine
On 19/01/16 11:31, andy pugh wrote: >> The newer 'closed loop' motors are essentially using the same approach, >> > but rather than simply applying the same power for longer > I don't think that this is what the original poster was asking. I > think he was just wanting to close a position loop with

Re: [Emc-users] Question about closed loop CNC

2016-01-19 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Gentlemen, Having no experience with steppers I will still offer my opinion. Take it as you will. :) The case for steppers seems to hinge on cost ie: steppers are less expensive than servos. Steppers cannot maintain position like servos because of the aforementioned lack of increased power if t

Re: [Emc-users] Question about closed loop CNC

2016-01-19 Thread andy pugh
On 19 January 2016 at 11:14, Lester Caine wrote: > > The newer 'closed loop' motors are essentially using the same approach, > but rather than simply applying the same power for longer I don't think that this is what the original poster was asking. I think he was just wanting to close a position

Re: [Emc-users] Question about closed loop CNC

2016-01-19 Thread Lester Caine
On 19/01/16 10:33, Gene Heskett wrote: > Something that has not been mentioned here is that a real error because > the stepper has lost a full step or more because it is being asked for > step movement faster than it can maintain lock. > > When that occurs, generally the motor stops/locks, and t

Re: [Emc-users] Question about closed loop CNC

2016-01-19 Thread Gregg Eshelman
On 1/19/2016 3:33 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > 2 optos in series because the BoB you bought is also an isolated version, > _will_ hurt you. Particularly if using a PWM output for spindle speed > control, you _WILL_ have to get rid of it if you want anything that even > resembles linear speeds so the

Re: [Emc-users] Question about closed loop CNC

2016-01-19 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 19 January 2016 03:35:32 John Dammeyer wrote: > Hi Chris, > Wiki defines Servo Motor as a motor that has closed the loop so it > knows the position of the motor. > > Years ago there were discussions about closed loop with linear scales. > The trouble there is the amount the motor has t

Re: [Emc-users] Question about closed loop CNC

2016-01-19 Thread andy pugh
On 19 January 2016 at 07:04, Chris Albertson wrote: > I've read that it is hard to use steppers for closed loop CNC. If this is > still true could some one explain the theory. This may be a misunderstanding. It is hard to do anything useful with an encoder attached to a stepper motor. You can te

Re: [Emc-users] Question about closed loop CNC

2016-01-19 Thread Andrew
Hi Chris!  How about that: http://catalog.orientalmotor.com/item/all-categories/ories-legacy-products-stepper-motor-drivers-legacy/asd16a-c?cid=1002&prodid=3001170&itemid=63126&backtoname=Item+%23+ASM98ACE&pane=sb&bc=100%7C3001136%7C3001170xx I use it for a long time. Regards, Andrew Вторни

Re: [Emc-users] Question about closed loop CNC

2016-01-19 Thread John Dammeyer
Hi Chris, Wiki defines Servo Motor as a motor that has closed the loop so it knows the position of the motor. Years ago there were discussions about closed loop with linear scales. The trouble there is the amount the motor has to turn before the scales report data. That can cause oscillations th

Re: [Emc-users] Question about closed loop CNC

2016-01-19 Thread Yves Watier
Hi Chris, At my work place, closed loop systems with steppers has been in use for years. It is a scientific institute and the controller has been developed inhouse. The controller is doing the step generation based on a demanded position. Encoder feedback on the real axis is giving the error. With

Re: [Emc-users] Question about closed loop CNC

2016-01-19 Thread Karlsson & Wang
In a closed loop their is feed back, read about control theory. Stepper motors are usually run open loop and no feedback is needed although they may loose steps if not correctly tuned. Nicklas Karlsson On Mon, 18 Jan 2016 23:04:05 -0800 Chris Albertson wrote: > I've read that it is hard to u

Re: [Emc-users] Question about closed loop CNC

2016-01-18 Thread Dave Caroline
Just needs the loop closing and a sensible driver I think. eg :- http://www.galil.com/news/servotrends/closed-loop-stepper-motor-performance-gains?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=01-16%20ServoTrends&utm_content=01-16%20ServoTrends+CID_99eb132dcec7ff54cbcbb34e1ca392e5&utm_source=Campaign%20Monitor&ut