Re: [Emc-users] Very good software backlash control demo.

2022-01-06 Thread gene heskett
On Thursday, January 6, 2022 2:35:25 PM EST Peter C. Wallace wrote: > On Thu, 6 Jan 2022, gene heskett wrote: > > Perhaps, Peter or Chris, a post describing what that filter CAN do is in > > order. I've looked at its man page but if there was a useful function > > there I didn't trigger on it. > >

Re: [Emc-users] Very good software backlash control demo.

2022-01-06 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Thu, 6 Jan 2022, gene heskett wrote: Perhaps, Peter or Chris, a post describing what that filter CAN do is in order. I've looked at its man page but if there was a useful function there I didn't trigger on it. And here, the web links are inactive plus it doesn't copy/paste. Is that supposed

Re: [Emc-users] Very good software backlash control demo.

2022-01-06 Thread gene heskett
; > > > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > > > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Very good software backlash control demo. > > > > this robot that loads pencil leads it really just a software testing > > device. A research tool. What is new here

Re: [Emc-users] Very good software backlash control demo.

2022-01-06 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Wed, 5 Jan 2022, Chris Albertson wrote: Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2022 19:38:46 -0800 From: Chris Albertson Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Very good software backlash control demo. this rob

Re: [Emc-users] Very good software backlash control demo.

2022-01-05 Thread Chris Albertson
this robot that loads pencil leads it really just a software testing device. A research tool. What is new here s not the idea too use two sensors but 1) use a predictive model that says how the system will flex in the future in s given acceleration is apllied. 2) collect data while the machine

Re: [Emc-users] Very good software backlash control demo.

2022-01-04 Thread dave engvall
Hi, I ran across an article by one of the servo drive firms that said the using two sensors/axis improved motion. I think they used a resolver on the drive and an encoder on the ball screw. While this improves motion that assumes you have very good ball screws. I think that a better approach w

Re: [Emc-users] Very good software backlash control demo.

2022-01-04 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, January 3, 2022 11:45:13 PM EST Sam Sokolik wrote: > I think it is just easy to have 2 pid's and sum them.. (one on the motor > encoder with P,D and feed forward - the other with scales and the I term) > Then you are not re-writing the pid component for some odd corner case. > > sam C

Re: [Emc-users] Very good software backlash control demo.

2022-01-03 Thread John Dammeyer
> From: Chris Albertson [mailto:albertson.ch...@gmail.com] > > I think his method would work for your mill. Yes the tool pushed the > table and the table moves. How does he know the table moves? Unless the encoder is a scale physically connected to the table he has no feedback on where t

Re: [Emc-users] Very good software backlash control demo.

2022-01-03 Thread Sam Sokolik
I think it is just easy to have 2 pid's and sum them.. (one on the motor encoder with P,D and feed forward - the other with scales and the I term) Then you are not re-writing the pid component for some odd corner case. sam On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 10:36 PM gene heskett wrote: > On Monday, Januar

Re: [Emc-users] Very good software backlash control demo.

2022-01-03 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, January 3, 2022 11:00:54 PM EST Sam Sokolik wrote: > I think this just would work with linuxcnc and scales + motor encoders. > WIth the scales using only I in the 2 pid loops - it would be constantly > correcting backlash to keep the position.. (that is what the G&L did) > > sam Or, b

Re: [Emc-users] Very good software backlash control demo.

2022-01-03 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, January 3, 2022 11:00:54 PM EST Sam Sokolik wrote: > I think this just would work with linuxcnc and scales + motor encoders. > WIth the scales using only I in the 2 pid loops - it would be constantly > correcting backlash to keep the position.. (that is what the G&L did) > > sam This

Re: [Emc-users] Very good software backlash control demo.

2022-01-03 Thread Sam Sokolik
I think this just would work with linuxcnc and scales + motor encoders. WIth the scales using only I in the 2 pid loops - it would be constantly correcting backlash to keep the position.. (that is what the G&L did) sam On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 9:50 PM Chris Albertson wrote: > I think his method

Re: [Emc-users] Very good software backlash control demo.

2022-01-03 Thread Chris Albertson
I think his method would work for your mill. Yes the tool pushed the table and the table moves. What he does is not just a double loop. He models the movement of the table and predicts how it will move.To do this on a mill you would need encoders on the table and then run a calibration cyc

Re: [Emc-users] Very good software backlash control demo.

2022-01-03 Thread John Dammeyer
Interesting concept. I notice that although he showed his finger pushing on the jaws (and text said compensation turned off) we never saw him disturb the jaws with compensation on. That he can position accurately is pretty cool. But backlash on my X axis results in the milling cutter pulling

Re: [Emc-users] Very good software backlash control demo.

2022-01-03 Thread Sam Sokolik
This has been done at a bigger scale... (2 feedback loops) https://web.archive.org/web/20160222165548/http://jmkasunich.com/cgi-bin/blosxom/shoptask/wichita-trip-02-20-08.html http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Combining_Two_Feedback_Devices_On_One_Axis On Mon, Jan 3, 2022, 8:42 PM Chris