Re: [Emc-users] Question about using a rotary table

2009-10-02 Thread Alex Joni
G90 G1A-10 would rotate ccw all the way back from where it is to -10 All the way meaning more than one rotation? Regards, Alex -- Come build with us! The BlackBerryreg; Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only

Re: [Emc-users] Question about using a rotary table

2009-10-02 Thread Andy Pugh
2009/10/2 Alex Joni alex.j...@robcon.ro: G90 G1A-10 would rotate ccw all the way back from where it is to -10 All the way meaning more than one rotation? I think it rather has to. I am thinking in terms of acting the same way as a linear axis. Imagine milling a 2-start, 2-turn worm, you would

Re: [Emc-users] Wrapped rotary axes, Fanuc style: for testing

2009-10-02 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 15:53:02 -0500, you wrote: exactly 1 full turn requires using g91 more than one full turn requires using g91 Argghhh... N G One flavour of Fanuc only (15b)! Why follow a bad design? Fanuc, as is their habit, changed it. Sensibly later Fanuc controllers treat rotary

Re: [Emc-users] Question about using a rotary table

2009-10-02 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 13:56:32 -0500, you wrote: Gentlemen, on the Fanuc 15mb control: exactly 1 full turn requires using g91 more than one full turn requires using g91 Not one of Fanuc's better ideas and since changed :) Steve Blackmore --

Re: [Emc-users] Encoders

2009-10-02 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Thu, 01 Oct 2009 12:32:48 -0400, you wrote: And what I think I'm seeing is quantization noise in the time domain, the occasionally very narrow spike probably isn't there on your o-scope. But it (to me anyway) points to a problem in that the sampling is probably not being done in the base

Re: [Emc-users] Encoders

2009-10-02 Thread Andy Pugh
2009/10/2 Steve Blackmore st...@pilotltd.net: On page 6 I changed the sampling rate to base thread. http://filebin.ca/wacbfm/screenshots.pdf Aha! I see noisy encoder signals. That seems to be confusing the velocity calculation (but possibly not the position calculation) I am also a little

Re: [Emc-users] Encoders

2009-10-02 Thread Andy Pugh
2009/10/2 Andy Pugh a...@andypugh.fsnet.co.uk: Aha! I see noisy encoder signals. To see if that is the problem, you could debounce the signals in HAL. None of the glitches looks to be longer than one sample, so a single sample debounce should do. The drawback is that you potentially lose

Re: [Emc-users] WG: Re: WG: Re: axis and batch processing

2009-10-02 Thread Jan Van Gilsen
Chris, Is your PROGRAM_PREFIX setting in the [DISPLAY] section set? Regards, Jan On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:54, Chris Epicier seuch...@yahoo.de wrote: Hi all I am in the process of cutting parts, due out soon. Should be doing million things, other than keepin my cnc busy. I checked and

Re: [Emc-users] Question about using a rotary table

2009-10-02 Thread Ray Henry
On Fri, 2009-10-02 at 12:10 +0100, Andy Pugh wrote: 2009/10/2 Alex Joni alex.j...@robcon.ro: G90 G1A-10 would rotate ccw all the way back from where it is to -10 All the way meaning more than one rotation? I think it rather has to. I am thinking in terms of acting the same way as a

Re: [Emc-users] Wrapped rotary axes, Fanuc style: for testing

2009-10-02 Thread Chris Radek
On Fri, Oct 02, 2009 at 12:18:50PM +0100, Steve Blackmore wrote: One occurrence that is interesting - when the rotation in the same direction reaches 360.0 (a full circle), it continues to increase. It does not become zero degrees again. I think your book is describing the same behavior EMC

[Emc-users] Material Edge Contour not visible

2009-10-02 Thread 5150
Hi guys, I'm using a cutter cadius compensation with gcode G41 and I follow the Material Edge Contour simply letting EMC to work and adjusting the trajectory based on my absolute coordinates. The trajectory I can see is only that of the backplot calculated (the tool path starting in the center

Re: [Emc-users] Encoders

2009-10-02 Thread Chris Radek
On Fri, Oct 02, 2009 at 12:37:05PM +0100, Steve Blackmore wrote: On page 6 I changed the sampling rate to base thread. http://filebin.ca/wacbfm/screenshots.pdf Excellent, page 7 shows the problem very clearly. You have really awful spindle feedback. I'm surprised this works at all. You

Re: [Emc-users] Encoders

2009-10-02 Thread John Kasunich
On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 12:37 +0100, Steve Blackmore st...@pilotltd.net wrote: I've redone that at 100 rpm, and out of interest looked at the pulses out for the Z axis, the position interpolation is linear, as shown in halscope, the pulses out are anything but! Surely they should be linear

Re: [Emc-users] Material Edge Contour not visible

2009-10-02 Thread Chris Radek
On Fri, Oct 02, 2009 at 03:31:51PM +0200, 5150 wrote: Hi guys, I'm using a cutter cadius compensation with gcode G41 and I follow the Material Edge Contour simply letting EMC to work and adjusting the trajectory based on my absolute coordinates. The trajectory I can see is only that of the

Re: [Emc-users] Question about using a rotary table

2009-10-02 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Gentlemen, I can think of one scenario that the rotary (0-359.999) configuration will handle better than the linear (0 thru unlimited) configuration. On a 180 degree move you would give a command of B180 or B-180 (the same position). If the sign does not tell the machine which way to turn then

Re: [Emc-users] Wrapped rotary axes, Fanuc style: for testing

2009-10-02 Thread Chris Radek
On Thu, Oct 01, 2009 at 03:53:02PM -0500, Chris Radek wrote: G53 still does the full unwind. Not anymore - now it uses the sign to determine which way to turn, and goes to the specified coordinate in that direction while disregarding g5x and g92 offsets.

Re: [Emc-users] Encoders

2009-10-02 Thread Jon Elson
Andy Pugh wrote: 2009/10/2 Steve Blackmore st...@pilotltd.net: On page 6 I changed the sampling rate to base thread. http://filebin.ca/wacbfm/screenshots.pdf Aha! I see noisy encoder signals. That seems to be confusing the velocity calculation (but possibly not the position

Re: [Emc-users] Encoders

2009-10-02 Thread Jon Elson
Jon Elson wrote: OK, things look worse, and obvious noise is showing in the A and B traces when you do this. I think it shows that the sampling was being done at the faster rate before. OOps, I misread what you had changed. Chris said it right. This is allowing you to see what is actually

Re: [Emc-users] Encoders

2009-10-02 Thread Jon Elson
Steve Blackmore wrote: I've redone that at 100 rpm, and out of interest looked at the pulses out for the Z axis, the position interpolation is linear, as shown in halscope, the pulses out are anything but! Surely they should be linear too? There are several screenshots so I bundled them

Re: [Emc-users] WG: Re: WG: Re: axis and batch processing

2009-10-02 Thread Stephen Wille Padnos
Chris Epicier wrote: Hi all I am in the process of cutting parts, due out soon. Should be doing million things, other than keepin my cnc busy. I checked and rechecked the syntax in bot, master, labels and other files. I cannot find a mistake there. Is there a way I can debug this? A way to

Re: [Emc-users] Encoders

2009-10-02 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 02 October 2009, Steve Blackmore wrote: On Thu, 01 Oct 2009 12:32:48 -0400, you wrote: And what I think I'm seeing is quantization noise in the time domain, the occasionally very narrow spike probably isn't there on your o-scope. But it (to me anyway) points to a problem in that the

Re: [Emc-users] Question about using a rotary table

2009-10-02 Thread Hubert Bahr
Stuart Think about it. The linear will always be predictable. It moves from the current position to new position. In linear absolute mode -180 is not the same as 180. If I were at between -180 and 180 for a move to 180 it would move CW, a move to -180 it would move CCW . If the

Re: [Emc-users] Wrapped rotary axes, Fanuc style: for testing

2009-10-02 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 08:25:32 -0500, you wrote: On Fri, Oct 02, 2009 at 12:18:50PM +0100, Steve Blackmore wrote: One occurrence that is interesting - when the rotation in the same direction reaches 360.0 (a full circle), it continues to increase. It does not become zero degrees again. I

Re: [Emc-users] Encoders

2009-10-02 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 11:34:45 -0500, you wrote: . I would think a 1 K Ohm resistor from +5 V to the A and B would make a big difference. You can get +5 V from the game port or a hard drive plug. Yup, also looking closer, I see COORDINATED spikes in both A and B on a number of cycles. That

Re: [Emc-users] Encoders

2009-10-02 Thread Alex Joni
On page 6 I changed the sampling rate to base thread. good, the first 5 pages are in respect to phase-a b irrelevant. Looking at page 6 however, AB look really bad, try running them through a debounce first. That might increase chances of success. http://filebin.ca/wacbfm/screenshots.pdf

Re: [Emc-users] Question about using a rotary table

2009-10-02 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 09:29:05 -0500, you wrote: Gentlemen, I can think of one scenario that the rotary (0-359.999) configuration will handle better than the linear (0 thru unlimited) configuration. On a 180 degree move you would give a command of B180 or B-180 (the same position). If the sign

Re: [Emc-users] Encoders

2009-10-02 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 02 October 2009, Andy Pugh wrote: 2009/10/2 Steve Blackmore st...@pilotltd.net: On page 6 I changed the sampling rate to base thread. http://filebin.ca/wacbfm/screenshots.pdf Aha! I see noisy encoder signals. That seems to be confusing the velocity calculation (but possibly not the

Re: [Emc-users] Wrapped rotary axes, Fanuc style: for testing

2009-10-02 Thread Chris Radek
On Fri, Oct 02, 2009 at 04:05:54PM +0100, Steve Blackmore wrote: Ehh? Ehh? It's sane for any rotary, particularly those that CAN rotate forever. OK, matter of opinion. Let me explain and justify my opinion further down. Simply restating it is silly. Also as Andy pointed out, you can do

Re: [Emc-users] Wrapped rotary axes, Fanuc style: for testing

2009-10-02 Thread Dave Caroline
As a spur gear tooth cutter one needs 0-360, but a helical gear cutter goes above 360, a worm maker may need up to 10 turns, a thread miller may want a lot more. For a hobbing machine many hundreds or thousands of turns but returning to the real homed 0 or arbitary angle in less than one turn is