Re: [Emc-users] [ANNOUNCE] Machinekit project

2014-04-04 Thread Prof. Ernesto Lo Valvo

On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 04:26:41PM +0200, Michael Haberler wrote:

 We are pleased to announce the formation of the Machinekit project [1][2][3].


Great news!

I have already used the MachineKit project to improve the NURBS machining on 
BeagleBone Black.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxfehWydTzk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFiAHCX2VVk

So I would like to take part into this project.


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Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-04 Thread andy pugh
On 4 April 2014 05:56, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote:
 I would have put the likes of yourself into the guru class not what I do :)

Well, I have a shared git repository on my Mac exported through NFS /
avahi and auto-mounted by the several different Linux boxes. I WoL the
box I want to update, check out the required branch and compile
natively.
But I don't think that is the approach that the typical user wants to use. :-)

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Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-04 Thread Russell Brown
Quoth Sebastian Kuzminsky.
 Who made decision about not including ubc and when?

As release manager, I did.  It was a few days before i made the 2.6
branch announcement.

 Where are the emails that invite developers to irc meeting to vote this?

There were none - as release manager i made the decision.

As a counterbalance to the brickbats flying around, I'd just like to say
thanks for putting your head over the top and making a decision.

Even if it doesn't have everything people want in it (when would it?),
the mere fact that there is a new release is a positive thing for many
people's perception of LinuxCNC.


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Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-04 Thread Marcus Bowman

On 4 Apr 2014, at 10:17, andy pugh wrote:

 On 4 April 2014 05:56, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote:
 I would have put the likes of yourself into the guru class not what I do :)
 
 Well, I have a shared git repository on my Mac exported through NFS /
 avahi and auto-mounted by the several different Linux boxes. I WoL the
 box I want to update, check out the required branch and compile
 natively.
 But I don't think that is the approach that the typical user wants to use. :-)
 

You're right. Following the Mac philosophy, the user needs to be able to go to 
a single, easily found, place, and double click on an icon or filename, and the 
file should download then install itself.
In fact, if there was a double-click installation of Ubuntu 12 and LinuxCNC 
that would be even better (but a few extra clicks or a bit of keyboarding for 
entry of personal or configuration details during installation would be 
acceptable). Anything more than that, and I'm guessing the average non-guru 
user will pass it by and find some other package that says it installs easily.

Marcus

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Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-04 Thread Mark Wendt
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:07 PM, Dave Cole linuxcncro...@gmail.com wrote:



 Andy, I think you are being nice regarding Unity.   Someone smoked too
 much of something and then continued to code anyway when they did
 Unity.  Synaptic Manager does not come along with 12.04, I had to
 install it.  (A glaring ommision  )


Dave,

The Synaptic package manager doesn't come bundled with Ubuntu v13.10
either.  I'm running it here on my desktop machine at work.  Most
definitely a glaring omission.

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Re: [Emc-users] probe program

2014-04-04 Thread lloyd wilson

Thanks - I thought I had seen one (shouldn't try to remember fleeting 
technology references after the evening's glass of theraputic pinot!)

On 04/03/2014 11:08 PM, Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote:
 On 04/03/2014 07:12 PM, lloyd wilson wrote:
 A requirement has popped up for digitizing an object, so I started
 looking for a sample program to adapt. There is one reference in the
 wiki to a program called emcProbe, which is dated 2005. No (at least on
 the first few pages) references to that program show up on internet
 searches, and no alternatives show up in the wiki or on the forum.  Is
 there a sanctioned sample probe program anywhere in the LCNC universe?
 In the nc_files directory there's a sample program called gridprobe.ngc
 that might be useful as a starting place for you.

 The comment at the top says:

 ( This program repeatedly probes in a regular XY grid and writes the)
 ( probed location to the file 'probe-results.txt' in the same directory )
 ( as the .ini file  )

 I've never run it...  Give it a try and let us know if you get it to work!



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Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-04 Thread sam sokolik
I had mentioned in a previous email - the new 'package manager' in 12.04 
and newer is 'ubuntu software center'  It seems to  have the similar 
functionality as synaptic.  (search for stuff, add repositories..)

http://imagebin.org/303764

(atleast it has done everything I have asked)

sam


On 04/04/2014 04:53 AM, Mark Wendt wrote:
 On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:07 PM, Dave Cole linuxcncro...@gmail.com wrote:


 Andy, I think you are being nice regarding Unity.   Someone smoked too
 much of something and then continued to code anyway when they did
 Unity.  Synaptic Manager does not come along with 12.04, I had to
 install it.  (A glaring ommision  )


 Dave,

 The Synaptic package manager doesn't come bundled with Ubuntu v13.10
 either.  I'm running it here on my desktop machine at work.  Most
 definitely a glaring omission.

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Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-04 Thread Mark Wendt
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 7:56 AM, sam sokolik sa...@empirescreen.com wrote:

 I had mentioned in a previous email - the new 'package manager' in 12.04
 and newer is 'ubuntu software center'  It seems to  have the similar
 functionality as synaptic.  (search for stuff, add repositories..)

 http://imagebin.org/303764

 (atleast it has done everything I have asked)

 sam


Sam,

Did you do an upgrade to 14.04, or a straight install?

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Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-04 Thread sam sokolik
I splurged and bought my first SSD and did a fresh install of 14.04.

sam
On 4/4/2014 7:07 AM, Mark Wendt wrote:
 On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 7:56 AM, sam sokolik sa...@empirescreen.com wrote:

 I had mentioned in a previous email - the new 'package manager' in 12.04
 and newer is 'ubuntu software center'  It seems to  have the similar
 functionality as synaptic.  (search for stuff, add repositories..)

 http://imagebin.org/303764

 (atleast it has done everything I have asked)

 sam

 Sam,

 Did you do an upgrade to 14.04, or a straight install?

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Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-04 Thread Stuart Stevenson
- Even if it doesn't have everything people want in it (when would - it?)

NEVER - the more it can do the more dreams of what it could do

- Anything more than that, and I'm guessing the average
- non-guru user will pass it by and find some other package
- that says it installs easily.

then gripe and whine the 'easy' button won't do what you need? :)

I have an 'ifm' button on the bottom of my keyboard.
It's F'in' Magic - uh - it hasn't worked yet.

just sayin

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Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-04 Thread Mark Wendt
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 8:14 AM, sam sokolik sa...@empirescreen.com wrote:

 I splurged and bought my first SSD and did a fresh install of 14.04.

 sam



Ah, okay.  I've done upgrades in the past and had issues during the
upgrade.  just curious to see if you'd done it and had any.

Thanks,
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Re: [Emc-users] probe program

2014-04-04 Thread andy pugh
On 4 April 2014 02:12, lloyd wilson llwilso...@rochester.rr.com wrote:
 There is one reference in the
 wiki to a program called emcProbe, which is dated 2005. No (at least on
 the first few pages) references to that program show up on internet
 searches, and no alternatives show up in the wiki or on the forum.

Have a look for smartprobe.ngc


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Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 04 April 2014 08:45:04 Stuart Stevenson did opine:

 - Even if it doesn't have everything people want in it (when would -
 it?)
 
 NEVER - the more it can do the more dreams of what it could do
 
 - Anything more than that, and I'm guessing the average
 - non-guru user will pass it by and find some other package
 - that says it installs easily.
 
 then gripe and whine the 'easy' button won't do what you need? :)
 
 I have an 'ifm' button on the bottom of my keyboard.
 It's F'in' Magic - uh - it hasn't worked yet.
 
 just sayin

yeah, and I've been looking for the any key for 30 years.  Haven't found a 
new keyboard with one of them yet.

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Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-04 Thread Mark Wendt
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 8:46 AM, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote:

 On Friday 04 April 2014 08:45:04 Stuart Stevenson did opine:

  - Even if it doesn't have everything people want in it (when would -
  it?)
 
  NEVER - the more it can do the more dreams of what it could do
 
  - Anything more than that, and I'm guessing the average
  - non-guru user will pass it by and find some other package
  - that says it installs easily.
 
  then gripe and whine the 'easy' button won't do what you need? :)
 
  I have an 'ifm' button on the bottom of my keyboard.
  It's F'in' Magic - uh - it hasn't worked yet.
 
  just sayin

 yeah, and I've been looking for the any key for 30 years.  Haven't found a
 new keyboard with one of them yet.

 Cheers, Gene



Here ya go Gene:

http://freethumbs.dreamstime.com/24/big/free_244054.jpg

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Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 04 April 2014 09:08:48 Mark Wendt did opine:

 On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 8:46 AM, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote:
  On Friday 04 April 2014 08:45:04 Stuart Stevenson did opine:
   - Even if it doesn't have everything people want in it (when would -
   it?)
   
   NEVER - the more it can do the more dreams of what it could do
   
   - Anything more than that, and I'm guessing the average
   - non-guru user will pass it by and find some other package
   - that says it installs easily.
   
   then gripe and whine the 'easy' button won't do what you need? :)
   
   I have an 'ifm' button on the bottom of my keyboard.
   It's F'in' Magic - uh - it hasn't worked yet.
   
   just sayin
  
  yeah, and I've been looking for the any key for 30 years.  Haven't
  found a new keyboard with one of them yet.
  
  Cheers, Gene
 
 Here ya go Gene:
 
 http://freethumbs.dreamstime.com/24/big/free_244054.jpg
 
 Mark

Chuckle, clearly someone with entirely too much time on their hands. :)  
But I'd bet it still prints a d when pressed. ;P)

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Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-04 Thread Dave Cole
IMO, the new 12.04 software center has some big usability problems 
compared to the Synaptic Mgr.
Synaptic package manager is clearly a different package which can be 
loaded via the software center, then you can ignore the software
center and get back to work!  :-)
I shuddered when I saw the software center as it reminds me of Window 8.
I'm adapting to Unity, but they fixed some things that were not 
broken.  :-(

Dave

On 4/4/2014 6:56 AM, sam sokolik wrote:
 I had mentioned in a previous email - the new 'package manager' in 12.04
 and newer is 'ubuntu software center'  It seems to  have the similar
 functionality as synaptic.  (search for stuff, add repositories..)

 http://imagebin.org/303764

 (atleast it has done everything I have asked)

 sam


 On 04/04/2014 04:53 AM, Mark Wendt wrote:
 On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:07 PM, Dave Cole linuxcncro...@gmail.com wrote:

 Andy, I think you are being nice regarding Unity.   Someone smoked too
 much of something and then continued to code anyway when they did
 Unity.  Synaptic Manager does not come along with 12.04, I had to
 install it.  (A glaring ommision  )


 Dave,

 The Synaptic package manager doesn't come bundled with Ubuntu v13.10
 either.  I'm running it here on my desktop machine at work.  Most
 definitely a glaring omission.

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Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-04 Thread Dave Cole

 You're right. Following the Mac philosophy, the user needs to be able to go 
 to a single, easily found, place, and double click on an icon or filename, 
 and the file should download then install itself.
 In fact, if there was a double-click installation of Ubuntu 12 and LinuxCNC 
 that would be even better (but a few extra clicks or a bit of keyboarding for 
 entry of personal or configuration details during installation would be 
 acceptable). Anything more than that, and I'm guessing the average non-guru 
 user will pass it by and find some other package that says it installs easily.

 Marcus

I understand that everyone wants things to be easy to use.   But if a 
single click install is the requirement for a CNC application, the user 
will be woefully disappointing when the CNC cards and components don't 
just plug and play.   Which is more than a little ironic since there 
is almost nothing in the machine tool world that just happens with a 
single click.

Dave



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Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-04 Thread John Kasunich


On Fri, Apr 4, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Dave Cole wrote:
 
 I understand that everyone wants things to be easy to use.   But if a 
 single click install is the requirement for a CNC application, the user 
 will be woefully disappointing when the CNC cards and components don't 
 just plug and play.   Which is more than a little ironic since there 
 is almost nothing in the machine tool world that just happens with a 
 single click.
 
 Dave
 

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Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-04 Thread Dave Cole
On 4/4/2014 8:59 AM, John Kasunich wrote:

 On Fri, Apr 4, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Dave Cole wrote:
 I understand that everyone wants things to be easy to use.   But if a
 single click install is the requirement for a CNC application, the user
 will be woefully disappointing when the CNC cards and components don't
 just plug and play.   Which is more than a little ironic since there
 is almost nothing in the machine tool world that just happens with a
 single click.

 Dave

 A single click is the sound of a 1/8 carbide end mill breaking.

Well other than that!  ;-)

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[Emc-users] Somebody has been listening, thank you.

2014-04-04 Thread Gene Heskett
I just setup the rigidtap.ngc similar to what disclosed the bug in 2.5.3,
where the z axis would stop at the sw limit as it plunged the g33.1 motion, 
while the spindle continued on, either breaking the tap, or pulling it out 
of the chuck and then jamming it back in.

With the 2.6.0-sim from version last night, it now detects the over travel 
and will not execute it at all.  Not exactly what I wanted as that will 
make me rechuck the work to gain clearance.  But its a heck of a lot better 
than letting it run, and wrecking the workpiece or breaking the tap.

Thank you very much, whoever fixed that.

Now, I've added the net spindle-reverse motion.spindle-reverse  which 
gets me the start buttons for both dirs, and reduced the divisor in the 
spindle-mass calculation which should make it more nearly match what I have 
as its the biggest 4 jaw chuck a 7x12 can mount.

Now I need to figure where I put an abs module in the signal path to the 
rpm display.  Clue?  loadrt'd and addf'd but where does the pair of net 
statements fit?

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Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-04 Thread Mark Tucker
The company i used to work for used to have a cnc with a plopper button.
The boss would often come over and say plop a hole here and plop a slot 
there.
But i never found it?:-\

On 04/04/14 13:17, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
 - Even if it doesn't have everything people want in it (when would - it?)

 NEVER - the more it can do the more dreams of what it could do

 - Anything more than that, and I'm guessing the average
 - non-guru user will pass it by and find some other package
 - that says it installs easily.

 then gripe and whine the 'easy' button won't do what you need? :)

 I have an 'ifm' button on the bottom of my keyboard.
 It's F'in' Magic - uh - it hasn't worked yet.

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Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-04 Thread Michał Geszkiewicz
W dniu 03.04.2014 22:26, Philipp Burch pisze:

 I understand, 7i80 support requires realtime ethernet, which requires
 rt-preempt or xenomai.

 I'm optimistic that the LinuxCNC developer community will continue to
 work on adding support for these realtime systems, and that when it's
 ready we will make another release that includes this support.

 Why is rt-preempt or Xenomai required for realtime ethernet? I'm running
 a machine with a homebrew board connected over a realtime UDP connection
 for a few months now without any problems. LinuxCNC handles the user
 frontend (AXIS with a custom panel), G-Code processing, and so on and
 talks to the board through a HAL module. This module is based mainly on
 the code from the RT-8p8c project (https://code.google.com/p/rt-8p8c/)
 and therefore uses RTnet (http://www.rtnet.org/) for the underlying
 stuff. I'm not using RTnet's TDMA facilities but standard UDP packets,
 as the PC has a dedicated NIC with only a straight cable to the board
 (which I'd recommend anyways, do not let a switch ruin the deterministic
 latency).
 The installation is just plain (X)Ubuntu 12.04 (10.04 does work as well,
 but I needed some of the newer packages for other things) with the
 LinuxCNC installation. No custom kernel or anything like this.

 Anyways, I probably just talk of a different thing than you.

 Regards,
 Philipp
Mesanet hm2 driver is so complicated and along with linuxcnc 
architecture it needs functionality present only in userspace realtime 
layer on rtai, xenomai or rt-preempt.
Probably there is a way to eliminate this need for hm2 driver so 
realtime ethernet could be totally independent from realtime layer, but 
it will be ready in few weeks.


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[Emc-users] 5i24?

2014-04-04 Thread Viesturs Lācis
Hello!

I saw in Mesa homepage that there is 5i24 board.
According to its manual it seems like a possible drop-in replacement of
5i23 card, if correct firmware is provided.
Is it supported by LinuxCNC (hostmot2 driver)?

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[Emc-users] Orient Component questions.

2014-04-04 Thread Billy Huddleston
Working on the toolchanger script.  We need ability to orient the spindle 
correctly.  Supposedly this Orient component is suppose to do that..

http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/man/man9/orient.9.html

However, I find little to no examples of it being used in practice. The SIM for 
it is less than helpful.  The manual leaves out key parts needed such as a addf 
for the orient 
component itself.

I managed to get some of it working, but the spindle won't move on the M19 
command. (I can see it set the command position correctly) Andy Pugh just 
mentioned something about 
needing a mux2 to switch the spindle from velocity command to pid command, and 
that's the main thing missing from the docs.

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Re: [Emc-users] Orient Component questions.

2014-04-04 Thread Sebastian Kuzminsky
On 4/4/14 15:07 , Billy Huddleston wrote:
 Working on the toolchanger script.  We need ability to orient the spindle 
 correctly.  Supposedly this Orient component is suppose to do that..

 http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/man/man9/orient.9.html

 However, I find little to no examples of it being used in practice. The SIM 
 for it is less than helpful.  The manual leaves out key parts needed such as 
 a addf for the orient
 component itself.

 I managed to get some of it working, but the spindle won't move on the M19 
 command. (I can see it set the command position correctly) Andy Pugh just 
 mentioned something about
 needing a mux2 to switch the spindle from velocity command to pid command, 
 and that's the main thing missing from the docs.

Hi Billy/Connor!

Did you check out the spindle_orient sample config?  It's not 
documentation, but it's an actual live config that demonstrates how 
spindle orient works.  Or at least it's supposed to be...


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Re: [Emc-users] Orient Component questions.

2014-04-04 Thread Billy Huddleston
The on in the simulator? If so, Yes, I've looked at it.. but, it's not very 
helpful.. doesn't even load the rtl component or anything.. if another live 
config exists.. I've not 
found it..


On 04/04/2014 05:12 PM, Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote:
 On 4/4/14 15:07 , Billy Huddleston wrote:
 Working on the toolchanger script.  We need ability to orient the spindle 
 correctly.  Supposedly this Orient component is suppose to do that..

 http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/man/man9/orient.9.html

 However, I find little to no examples of it being used in practice. The SIM 
 for it is less than helpful.  The manual leaves out key parts needed such as 
 a addf for the orient
 component itself.

 I managed to get some of it working, but the spindle won't move on the M19 
 command. (I can see it set the command position correctly) Andy Pugh just 
 mentioned something about
 needing a mux2 to switch the spindle from velocity command to pid command, 
 and that's the main thing missing from the docs.
 Hi Billy/Connor!

 Did you check out the spindle_orient sample config?  It's not
 documentation, but it's an actual live config that demonstrates how
 spindle orient works.  Or at least it's supposed to be...



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Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-04 Thread Charles Buckley
  One functionality I would like to see is an integrated repository manager
within LinuxCNC itself. That way, people could point to repositories for
designs and downloads. Granted, a different use case than for the
application itself, which has to use the software repository manager
provided by the operating system.

Charles Buckley


On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 8:44 AM, Dave Cole linuxcncro...@gmail.com wrote:

 IMO, the new 12.04 software center has some big usability problems
 compared to the Synaptic Mgr.
 Synaptic package manager is clearly a different package which can be
 loaded via the software center, then you can ignore the software
 center and get back to work!  :-)
 I shuddered when I saw the software center as it reminds me of Window 8.
 I'm adapting to Unity, but they fixed some things that were not
 broken.  :-(

 Dave

 On 4/4/2014 6:56 AM, sam sokolik wrote:
  I had mentioned in a previous email - the new 'package manager' in 12.04
  and newer is 'ubuntu software center'  It seems to  have the similar
  functionality as synaptic.  (search for stuff, add repositories..)
 
  http://imagebin.org/303764
 
  (atleast it has done everything I have asked)
 
  sam
 
 
  On 04/04/2014 04:53 AM, Mark Wendt wrote:
  On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:07 PM, Dave Cole linuxcncro...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Andy, I think you are being nice regarding Unity.   Someone smoked too
  much of something and then continued to code anyway when they did
  Unity.  Synaptic Manager does not come along with 12.04, I had to
  install it.  (A glaring ommision  )
 
 
  Dave,
 
  The Synaptic package manager doesn't come bundled with Ubuntu v13.10
  either.  I'm running it here on my desktop machine at work.  Most
  definitely a glaring omission.
 
  Mark
 
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Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-04 Thread Ed
On 04/04/2014 04:18 AM, Russell Brown wrote:

 As a counterbalance to the brickbats flying around, I'd just like to say
 thanks for putting your head over the top and making a decision.

 Even if it doesn't have everything people want in it (when would it?),
 the mere fact that there is a new release is a positive thing for many
 people's perception of LinuxCNC.


I have to second or third Russell's comments. Linuxcnc works as is. 
Sure, I would like several things changed, improved or created, but I 
know that I am not a developer and not even a tester. Just a user of the 
software.

Thanks guys.

Ed.


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