Re: [Emc-users] A lot of input/output. Cheap

2015-09-21 Thread alex chiosso
Hi Sven.
Can you send a picture of the machine you have to retrofit ?
Is it an injection moulding machine ?
If yes how many tons is the closing clamp force and how many heating zones
have the injection barrel/chamber ?

Regards.

Alex

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 11:41 PM, John Thornton  wrote:

> The cheapest PLC that AD sells is the Click, the software is free but
> the programming cable is $50 so  for $120 you can get 8 inputs and 6
> outputs a 7i64 is 24 outputs and 24 inputs for $198 and you don't
> need a programming cable. ClassicLadder looks mighty good when you can
> see the bits and timers in a pyvcp window.
>
> JT
>
> On 9/15/2015 8:27 AM, Ralph Stirling wrote:
> > Much as I like LinuxCNC, Mesa cards, and even Arduino's occasionally,
> > I'd go straight to AutomationDirect and get an inexpensive PLC for this
> > job.  It would already handle all the 24v I/O, have a very clean and
> complete
> > ladder logic, with good state machine methods.
> >
> > -- Ralph
> > 
> > From: Sven Wesley [svenne.d...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 6:12 AM
> > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] A lot of input/output. Cheap
> >
> > 2015-09-15 14:16 GMT+02:00 andy pugh :
> >
> >> On 15 September 2015 at 13:03, Carsten Presser 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> the big advantage of the mesa-boards is that they are well suited to
> >>> drive relays and other kinds of devices.
> >>> An Arduino or similar board only has TTL or CMOS IOs which need to get
> >>> adapted to your actual IO voltages/currents.
> >> Also, thinking about it, an Aduino Mega is no cheaper than a 7i90
> >>
> >>
> http://store.mesanet.com/index.php?route=product/product_name=7i90_id=291
> >> That has the same IO voltage problems as the Arduino, but plugs
> >> straight in to LinuxCNC (EPP Parport) and realtime HAL.
> >> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/hm2_7i90.9.html
> >>
> >>
> > Don't get me wrong, I like Mesa. A Mesa board is not cheaper than a Mega.
> > You can order a clone on eBay for less
> > <
> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-ATmega2560-16AU-Improved-version-CH340G-MEGA2560-R3-Board-For-Arduino-SWTG-/231616834408?hash=item35ed706b68
> >
> > than
> > half. I have a few of those and they work as expected. There are Arduino
> > relay boards out there as well. I will get all the relays needed
> > <
> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-8-Channel-5V-Relay-Module-Board-for-Arduino-PIC-AVR-MCU-DSP-ARM-UK-/151105724470
> >
> > and the Arduino board, still for less money than one 7i90. But I prefer
> > opto isolated heavy duty solid state relays for this instead of tiny
> > mechanical relays on a small board. You should see the relay panel inside
> > the machine, the relays are like bricks...
> >
> > I think your suggestion with the HAL/Arduino library will be the cheapest
> > possible and more than good for this application, I will try it for sure!
> > With some small tweaks it will be fine for a Mega board and I should have
> > enough I/O.
> > Thanks!
> >
> > /S
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Re: [Emc-users] GO704's fat spindle is being a problem child.

2015-09-21 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 21 September 2015 11:08:50 andy pugh wrote:

> On 21 September 2015 at 15:45, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > Is there a quick & dirty but adequate way to extend the 2 most
> > common carbide bit sizes in my collection in order to gain clearance
> > between the workpiece and its holding jigs?
>
> Does this link work?
>
> http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2055845.m570.l1313.T
>R1.TRC0.A0.H0.Xstraight+shank+collet.TRS1&_nkw=straight+shank+collet&_s
>acat=0

Yes, thanks Andy.  A long straight shank might be a plus, but I couldn't 
make ebay spit out such a well organized list.  The Tormach already has 
a 3/4" spud.  With the 3/4" spud I can still be pretty stiff if I have 
to drop it 3/8" to get where I want to do.

Anyway, the stuff is ordered, so the damage if any has already been 
done. ;-)  We'll see.  Hopefully no blue smoke will drift across the 
pond when it gets here. ;-)

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Re: [Emc-users] GO704's fat spindle is being a problem child.

2015-09-21 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 21 September 2015 11:19:46 Cristian Bontas wrote:

> Hello
>
> Have a look here for the sizes of the ER nuts (there are several
> versions).
>
> http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/ER-chuck-nut-ER-collet-nut-ER-
>nut-ER11-50-type-A-M-UM/506241_528850800.html

Nice link Cristian, thanks.  Marked FFR.
>
> For ER 20 (the smallest that can take a 1/2'' tool shank), the minimum
> diameter would be 28 mm, with a type M nut.
> So from your 40 mm spindle body, that would give you an extra 6 mm of
> clearance.
>
> With the much more common hex-head nut, the gain would be minimal -
> only 3 mm.

Obviously I will accept as much as I can get.  The question of is the 
Tormach part enough will not be answered till it gets here.

The list will probably be advised, yay/nay in a few days.  Mail out of 
Kalipornia seems ever slower.

[...]

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Re: [Emc-users] GO704's fat spindle is being a problem child.

2015-09-21 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 21 September 2015 10:45:52 Gene Heskett wrote:

> Greetings everybody;
>
> Thinking in electronic ink here...
>
> Is there a quick & dirty but adequate way to extend the 2 most common
> carbide bit sizes in my collection in order to gain clearance between
> the workpiece and its holding jigs? Something like an ER8 that I can
> plug into an R8 maybe?
>
> What would be a good google search term?  Or just hit Tormach's site.
> Their ER20 adapter covers up to 1/2", and sells for $34.95. Tolerable
> good. And it looks like it would extend the reach of a tool by at
> least 1.5".  Thats also good, gets the quill housing up high enough to
> clear the jigs. The 15 count collet set is $192, or the 30 count set
> is $372, probably more accurate than some of the others, but hey, I'm
> carving wood here.
>
> Grizzly wants $317 for the whole 16 piece kit including adapter, South
> Bend brand.  Neither seem to say what the OD of the nut is and I've
> already hit the side of the spindle against this jig when it was on
> the toy mill, whose rotating spindle nose is 40mm.
>
> But I hit a lick at LittleMachineShop. Tormach adapter & 3 collets,
> 1/8, 1/4 & 3/8, for $72.95 shipped.  That will or should cover 98% of
> what I'll be doing.
>
> In the meantime I can make a new holddown bar for this jig out of
> solid maple, and set it about 3/8" farther away from the tool travel. 
> And maybe glue on an extension to the flat plane of the front of the
> jig for additional workpiece support as some pieces will project close
> to 4 feet off the front of the table when mounted.
>
> Todays projects. ;-)  Keeps me out of the bars don'tcha know. ;-)
>
Done, waiting on LMS now.  And this time the jigs hold down bar bolts are 
screwed in straight as I drilled, and tapped them 3/8-16, right into the 
white ash of the jig, using the mill to both drill straight, and run the 
G33.1 rigid tap routine to tap the hole, but the tap drill was sized for 
about a 102% thread depth.  And found that the 1 horse motor, in low 
gear and in its present PID tune, was stalled by the tap from about 400 
revs if I tried to tap .5mm deeper than the hole.  That was good because 
I could hit esc, loosen the chuck and back the chuck off the tap shank, 
and remove the tap with a pair of vice-grips, leaving a good looking 
thread in the hole.

Then spent from about 16:00 to now, burning in one of those Lowes burn 
contraptions, about 300 lbs of old scrap from the workshop's and yard 
trash.  Some of it dated from the direcho that blew thru in 2010.

A fine mist is in the air, so that nice bed of coals will not burn 
completely, darnit.

I am with Jon on getting one of these tilt heads back into tram.  Its a 
meticulous pain in the back to get it to where I can set a dial against 
a piece of 1/2" A2 about 6" long in the 1/2" R8 collet.  The first thing 
I found was that it was whipping about 8 thou in the X direction when 
the Z was reversed, so that took about 4 full turns on the gib adjusters 
to reduce it to half a thou.  Then the drill rod had some rust, causing 
an ever increasing runout the farther the dial was from the R8, so I 
wound up running the spindle at about 40 revs & slapping the head with 
the bolts slightly loose, with a hammer until I could run it up & down 
about 4" with a center of needle swing staying within a thou.

Too fussy?  Maybe.  You guys tell me.

> Cheers, Gene Heskett


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Re: [Emc-users] A lot of input/output. Cheap (Profibus)

2015-09-21 Thread Karlsson & Wang
> > > I think your suggestion with the HAL/Arduino library will be the cheapest
> > > possible and more than good for this application, I will try it for sure!
> > > With some small tweaks it will be fine for a Mega board and I should have
> > > enough I/O.
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > /S

Profibus have a very common protocol for a long time, sometimes there are cheap 
used IO modules available for sale and this is real professional stuff. 
Currently however there is no support for profibus in linuxcnc but I have been 
working on profibus for a short and plan to add it at soon as there is enough 
time. Hopefully it will be soon I just had to learn Chinese and spent arund 
three months on it the last year.

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Re: [Emc-users] A lot of input/output. Cheap (Profibus)

2015-09-21 Thread Peter Blodow
Gentlemen,
be careful with Profibus, there are different tastes of it. Especially 
the one designed for building automation will not very well suit our 
needs. But, certainly, this is highly professional technology, extremely 
noise proof even at long distances of several hundred meters.
Peter

Am 21.09.2015 12:41, schrieb Karlsson & Wang:
 I think your suggestion with the HAL/Arduino library will be the cheapest
 possible and more than good for this application, I will try it for sure!
 With some small tweaks it will be fine for a Mega board and I should have
 enough I/O.
 Thanks!

 /S
> Profibus have a very common protocol for a long time, sometimes there are 
> cheap used IO modules available for sale and this is real professional stuff. 
> Currently however there is no support for profibus in linuxcnc but I have 
> been working on profibus for a short and plan to add it at soon as there is 
> enough time. Hopefully it will be soon I just had to learn Chinese and spent 
> arund three months on it the last year.
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Re: [Emc-users] GO704's fat spindle is being a problem child.

2015-09-21 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 21 September 2015 10:57:04 Jim Craig wrote:

> On 9/21/2015 9:45 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Greetings everybody;
> >
> > Thinking in electronic ink here...
> >
> > Is there a quick & dirty but adequate way to extend the 2 most
> > common carbide bit sizes in my collection in order to gain clearance
> > between the workpiece and its holding jigs? Something like an ER8
> > that I can plug into an R8 maybe?
> >
> > What would be a good google search term?  Or just hit Tormach's
> > site. Their ER20 adapter covers up to 1/2", and sells for $34.95.
> > Tolerable good. And it looks like it would extend the reach of a
> > tool by at least 1.5".  Thats also good, gets the quill housing up
> > high enough to clear the jigs. The 15 count collet set is $192, or
> > the 30 count set is $372, probably more accurate than some of the
> > others, but hey, I'm carving wood here.
> >
> > Grizzly wants $317 for the whole 16 piece kit including adapter,
> > South Bend brand.  Neither seem to say what the OD of the nut is and
> > I've already hit the side of the spindle against this jig when it
> > was on the toy mill, whose rotating spindle nose is 40mm.
> >
> > But I hit a lick at LittleMachineShop. Tormach adapter & 3 collets,
> > 1/8, 1/4 & 3/8, for $72.95 shipped.  That will or should cover 98%
> > of what I'll be doing.
> >
> > In the meantime I can make a new holddown bar for this jig out of
> > solid maple, and set it about 3/8" farther away from the tool
> > travel.  And maybe glue on an extension to the flat plane of the
> > front of the jig for additional workpiece support as some pieces
> > will project close to 4 feet off the front of the table when
> > mounted.
> >
> > Todays projects. ;-)  Keeps me out of the bars don'tcha know. ;-)
> >
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
>
> Plain old R8 collet in the spindle would gain you the most headroom,
> but you would loose your tool length offset each time you did a tool
> change unless the tool has a depth collar on it.
>
> Jim

You cannot let enough tool project from the R8 to make that practical, 
Jim.

Some of this jig is 2" taller than the 1 by Mahogany being carved is 
tall.  The spindle brake, mounted on the quill housing makes it all  
about 5" in diameter, plus the brake pin sticks out in front by about 
3/4".  So I must have a fairly rigid 1.5" or more extension which it 
looks as if the Tormach 3/4 spud R8 to ER-20 adaptor will give me enough 
to work with.  It's at least 1.5" longer when seated in the R8 collet.  
And I moved the hold-down bar back from the work area about 5/8" from 
where it was before, so I am hoping that will  give me clearance so the 
nut on the Tormach tool adapter won't hit the hold down bar.

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[Emc-users] lathe G71

2015-09-21 Thread Tom Easterday
Does anyone know what became of this discussion in 2012?  
http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.emc.user/39104

Was there an G71 implementation done based on remapping?

Thanks,
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Re: [Emc-users] GO704's fat spindle is being a problem child.

2015-09-21 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 21 September 2015 11:02:40 Rick Lair wrote:

> All I have to say is, is that I hope like hell that I have half the
> amount of ambition that you have Gene, 48 years from now, when I am
> your age.
>
>
> Rick

That makes you 32, Rick.  Too late for a back of ear drying towel & still 
too early for S.S. to kick in.  ;-)

I like being creative, and I'm not above doing something just because 
someone said I can't.  I may, more often than not, yell for help here, 
knowing that quite a few of the folks here have, like me in other 
fields, been there and done that.  And I find that putting the problem 
into words is a huge help in thinking it thru to a satisfactory to me at 
least, working solution.  Such was the case today, and I believe I have 
that problem under control.

I was rather surprised when the pointed 1/8" carbide round over bit 
arrived when I found its overall length was only perhaps  1.25".  So I 
am in essentially the same boat as when using a 0.125" end mill.  No Z 
room to do any 3D work at all.

[...]

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[Emc-users] GO704's fat spindle is being a problem child.

2015-09-21 Thread Gene Heskett
Greetings everybody;

Thinking in electronic ink here...

Is there a quick & dirty but adequate way to extend the 2 most common 
carbide bit sizes in my collection in order to gain clearance between 
the workpiece and its holding jigs? Something like an ER8 that I can 
plug into an R8 maybe?

What would be a good google search term?  Or just hit Tormach's site.
Their ER20 adapter covers up to 1/2", and sells for $34.95. Tolerable 
good. And it looks like it would extend the reach of a tool by at least 
1.5".  Thats also good, gets the quill housing up high enough to clear 
the jigs. The 15 count collet set is $192, or the 30 count set is $372, 
probably more accurate than some of the others, but hey, I'm carving 
wood here.

Grizzly wants $317 for the whole 16 piece kit including adapter, South 
Bend brand.  Neither seem to say what the OD of the nut is and I've 
already hit the side of the spindle against this jig when it was on the 
toy mill, whose rotating spindle nose is 40mm.

But I hit a lick at LittleMachineShop. Tormach adapter & 3 collets, 1/8, 
1/4 & 3/8, for $72.95 shipped.  That will or should cover 98% of what 
I'll be doing.

In the meantime I can make a new holddown bar for this jig out of solid 
maple, and set it about 3/8" farther away from the tool travel.  And 
maybe glue on an extension to the flat plane of the front of the jig for 
additional workpiece support as some pieces will project close to 4 feet 
off the front of the table when mounted.

Todays projects. ;-)  Keeps me out of the bars don'tcha know. ;-)

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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[Emc-users] GO704's fat spindle is being a problem child.

2015-09-21 Thread Cristian Bontas

Hello

Have a look here for the sizes of the ER nuts (there are several versions).

http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/ER-chuck-nut-ER-collet-nut-ER-nut-ER11-50-type-A-M-UM/506241_528850800.html

For ER 20 (the smallest that can take a 1/2'' tool shank), the minimum 
diameter would be 28 mm, with a type M nut.
So from your 40 mm spindle body, that would give you an extra 6 mm of 
clearance.

With the much more common hex-head nut, the gain would be minimal - only 
3 mm.


> Greetings everybody;
>
> Thinking in electronic ink here...
>
> Is there a quick & dirty but adequate way to extend the 2 most common
> carbide bit sizes in my collection in order to gain clearance between
> the workpiece and its holding jigs? Something like an ER8 that I can
> plug into an R8 maybe?
>
> Neither seem to say what the OD of the nut is and I've
> already hit the side of the spindle against this jig when it was on the
> toy mill, whose rotating spindle nose is 40mm.


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Re: [Emc-users] GO704's fat spindle is being a problem child.

2015-09-21 Thread Rick Lair
All I have to say is, is that I hope like hell that I have half the 
amount of ambition that you have Gene, 48 years from now, when I am your 
age.


Rick




On 9/21/2015 10:57 AM, Jim Craig wrote:
> On 9/21/2015 9:45 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> Greetings everybody;
>>
>> Thinking in electronic ink here...
>>
>> Is there a quick & dirty but adequate way to extend the 2 most common
>> carbide bit sizes in my collection in order to gain clearance between
>> the workpiece and its holding jigs? Something like an ER8 that I can
>> plug into an R8 maybe?
>>
>> What would be a good google search term?  Or just hit Tormach's site.
>> Their ER20 adapter covers up to 1/2", and sells for $34.95. Tolerable
>> good. And it looks like it would extend the reach of a tool by at least
>> 1.5".  Thats also good, gets the quill housing up high enough to clear
>> the jigs. The 15 count collet set is $192, or the 30 count set is $372,
>> probably more accurate than some of the others, but hey, I'm carving
>> wood here.
>>
>> Grizzly wants $317 for the whole 16 piece kit including adapter, South
>> Bend brand.  Neither seem to say what the OD of the nut is and I've
>> already hit the side of the spindle against this jig when it was on the
>> toy mill, whose rotating spindle nose is 40mm.
>>
>> But I hit a lick at LittleMachineShop. Tormach adapter & 3 collets, 1/8,
>> 1/4 & 3/8, for $72.95 shipped.  That will or should cover 98% of what
>> I'll be doing.
>>
>> In the meantime I can make a new holddown bar for this jig out of solid
>> maple, and set it about 3/8" farther away from the tool travel.  And
>> maybe glue on an extension to the flat plane of the front of the jig for
>> additional workpiece support as some pieces will project close to 4 feet
>> off the front of the table when mounted.
>>
>> Todays projects. ;-)  Keeps me out of the bars don'tcha know. ;-)
>>
>> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> Plain old R8 collet in the spindle would gain you the most headroom, but
> you would loose your tool length offset each time you did a tool change
> unless the tool has a depth collar on it.
>
> Jim
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Re: [Emc-users] A lot of input/output. Cheap (Profibus)

2015-09-21 Thread Karlsson & Wang
> Gentlemen,
> be careful with Profibus, there are different tastes of it. Especially 
> the one designed for building automation will not very well suit our 
> needs. But, certainly, this is highly professional technology, extremely 
> noise proof even at long distances of several hundred meters.
> Peter

I heard about DP and PA. I will implement the one used for Siements ET 200L-SC. 
I read somewhere about patent problems if implementing this kind of protocol 
but have also read something about an EU directive regarding software 
interoperability, anybode who know something?

Regards Nicklas Karlsson

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Re: [Emc-users] GO704's fat spindle is being a problem child.

2015-09-21 Thread andy pugh
On 21 September 2015 at 15:45, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> Is there a quick & dirty but adequate way to extend the 2 most common
> carbide bit sizes in my collection in order to gain clearance between
> the workpiece and its holding jigs?

Does this link work?

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2055845.m570.l1313.TR1.TRC0.A0.H0.Xstraight+shank+collet.TRS1&_nkw=straight+shank+collet&_sacat=0

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Re: [Emc-users] GO704's fat spindle is being a problem child.

2015-09-21 Thread Jim Craig
On 9/21/2015 9:45 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> Greetings everybody;
>
> Thinking in electronic ink here...
>
> Is there a quick & dirty but adequate way to extend the 2 most common
> carbide bit sizes in my collection in order to gain clearance between
> the workpiece and its holding jigs? Something like an ER8 that I can
> plug into an R8 maybe?
>
> What would be a good google search term?  Or just hit Tormach's site.
> Their ER20 adapter covers up to 1/2", and sells for $34.95. Tolerable
> good. And it looks like it would extend the reach of a tool by at least
> 1.5".  Thats also good, gets the quill housing up high enough to clear
> the jigs. The 15 count collet set is $192, or the 30 count set is $372,
> probably more accurate than some of the others, but hey, I'm carving
> wood here.
>
> Grizzly wants $317 for the whole 16 piece kit including adapter, South
> Bend brand.  Neither seem to say what the OD of the nut is and I've
> already hit the side of the spindle against this jig when it was on the
> toy mill, whose rotating spindle nose is 40mm.
>
> But I hit a lick at LittleMachineShop. Tormach adapter & 3 collets, 1/8,
> 1/4 & 3/8, for $72.95 shipped.  That will or should cover 98% of what
> I'll be doing.
>
> In the meantime I can make a new holddown bar for this jig out of solid
> maple, and set it about 3/8" farther away from the tool travel.  And
> maybe glue on an extension to the flat plane of the front of the jig for
> additional workpiece support as some pieces will project close to 4 feet
> off the front of the table when mounted.
>
> Todays projects. ;-)  Keeps me out of the bars don'tcha know. ;-)
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
Plain old R8 collet in the spindle would gain you the most headroom, but 
you would loose your tool length offset each time you did a tool change 
unless the tool has a depth collar on it.

Jim

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Re: [Emc-users] A lot of input/output. Cheap (Profibus)

2015-09-21 Thread Dave Cole
I have used a lot of Profibus devices. I used to work for Siemens.
Profibus is very robust if installed properly.DP is the norm for 
remote I/O.
PA is designed for the process industry and not nearly as common.

I always thought that a chip was needed for a DP master.I don't 
think a DP master device can be made via software and standard RS485 
interface, but I could be wrong.

Dave


On 9/21/2015 11:03 AM, Karlsson & Wang wrote:
>> Gentlemen,
>> be careful with Profibus, there are different tastes of it. Especially
>> the one designed for building automation will not very well suit our
>> needs. But, certainly, this is highly professional technology, extremely
>> noise proof even at long distances of several hundred meters.
>> Peter
> I heard about DP and PA. I will implement the one used for Siements ET 
> 200L-SC. I read somewhere about patent problems if implementing this kind of 
> protocol but have also read something about an EU directive regarding 
> software interoperability, anybode who know something?
>
> Regards Nicklas Karlsson
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Re: [Emc-users] A lot of input/output. Cheap (Profibus)

2015-09-21 Thread Karlsson & Wang
> I have used a lot of Profibus devices. I used to work for Siemens.
> Profibus is very robust if installed properly.DP is the norm for 
> remote I/O.
> PA is designed for the process industry and not nearly as common.
> 
> I always thought that a chip was needed for a DP master.I don't 
> think a DP master device can be made via software and standard RS485 
> interface, but I could be wrong.

I also read about a chip but have not found any hardware constraints, Ethecat 
for example insert information into the packet while it pass thru the device 
which put very high constraints on the timing.

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Re: [Emc-users] Porting LinuxCNC(EMC) to Windows was CAD/CAM for LinuxCNC

2015-09-21 Thread Charles Buckley
Well, you can eliminate windows completely, if you have a phone or android
tablet.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=io.machinekit.appdiscover=en

I would argue that the ability to split the GUI from the engine is a good
thing overall, but at your core, you're still looking at having a full OS
sitting out there and the underlying architecture and filesystem layout can
not easily be circumvented.



On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 12:49 PM, John Dammeyer 
wrote:

> Ultimately remoting into the BBB still means learning two operating systems
> when 99.9% of my work is done under Windows.
>
> To drag a drop a file onto the desktop on the Debian BBB MachineKit port
> involves dragging it to the desktop folder and then using the ever present
> and needed text editor to edit the shortcut to make it work properly with
> the correct icon.
>
> In windows you drag it onto the desktop.  Period.  If you want to change
> parameters right click and change stuff in a dialog.  No command line
> needed.
>
> So if LinuxCNC is to be used in windows getting rid of the "Linux Guru
> required"  option is  a major feature.
>
> John
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Kyle Kerr [mailto:ker...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: September-19-15 10:52 AM
> > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Porting LinuxCNC(EMC) to Windows was CAD/CAM
> > for LinuxCNC
> >
> >
> > Maybe I don't understand what you are getting at. Why go through all the
> > effort of breaking the software up between BBB and a Windows machine?
> > Why
> > not just remote in to the BBB and call it a day?
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 19, 2015, 11:59 AM John Dammeyer 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > > On 19/09/15 05:55, John Dammeyer wrote:
> > > > > WIN-8 and up don't support
> > > > > parallel ports or even serial ports directly.
> > > >
> > > > 64bit windows does not support parallel port. Even on 32bit W10 it
> still
> > > > works fine ... I have some legacy kit which is still going strong but
> we
> > > > had to move off 32bit XP for some spurious reason ;) Running a couple
> of
> > > > serial ports as well, but I think they are OK on the 64bit builds as
> > > well.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Lester Caine - G8HFL
> > > Ah,  I didn't realize if you stayed 32 bit that support was still
> there.
> > >
> > > However, your previous posting about cross platform movement of
> > LinuxCNC to
> > > the Windows environment is interesting.
> > >
> > > The argument against it has always been that:
> > > a)  hard real time is possible with Linux and isn't with Windows
> > > b) low level access to the hardware allows closed loop servo control
> with
> > > expansion cards like MESA for servo's or steppers.
> > >
> > > So given the cost of a MESA or other expansion boards perhaps a tightly
> > > coupled system using a BeagleBone Black (BBB) with a cape as the real
> time
> > > component and on a windows platform starts to make sense.  The BBB has
> > both
> > > USB and Ethernet.Also a lot more I/O if you don't use the HDMI
> video
> > > capability.
> > >
> > > One doesn't even have to move it to Windows immediately.  It becomes a
> > > 'hardware device' like a what's already out there for LinuxCNC.  It's
> > > possible it can even keep the real time components used in the
> MachineKit
> > > port so it remains a Linux hosted processor.  So development and
> testing
> > > become a two part project.
> > >
> > > 1. Move the motion part of LinuxCNC to the BBB via dedicated Ethernet
> > > tcp/ip.  Requires second Ethernet port on workstation PC.  Surely
> 100Mbps
> > > Ethernet can handle data motion and position feedback to LinuxCNC
> > software
> > > for screen updating and G-Code parsing.  The Smooth Stepper can do it
> at
> a
> > > lower level on the non-real time Windows so Linux should find this
> easy?
> > >
> > >  2. When that's working and tested, port the LinuxCNC non-hard real
> time
> > > code to Windows C or C++ (not .NET though)
> > >
> > > There is a big plus to step 2 for the LinuxCNC community.  The act of
> > > porting can result in code cleanup of LinuxCNC where normally sections
> are
> > > left alone because they work and there isn't any pressing need to
> change
> > > them.  So old legacy stuff stays old even though now with experience it
> > > could be improved.
> > >
> > > Perhaps this idea has been bounced around before.  But the BBB is not
> like
> > > the Raspberry PI or the Arduino.  It's got an extra  couple of 200MHz
> > > hardware processors in addition to the 1GHz ARM.  The schematics and
> > > software are all public.  The potential for an open source expansion is
> > > mind
> > > boggling.
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
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[Emc-users] Arduino Industrial controller

2015-09-21 Thread MC Cason
   I saw this today, and with all of the talk about interfacing LinuxCNC 
to an Arduino, I thought I would pass along the following links.  Maybe 
somebody will find them useful.

   Arduino Industrial controller:  https://industruino.com/
   Price list:  https://industruino.com/shop



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