Re: [Emc-users] tool changers

2015-10-30 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 30 October 2015 01:17:24 Gregg Eshelman wrote: > On 10/29/2015 8:22 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > So there is, for short duration efforts such as dropping the tool, > > or pulling the next one back in, likely more than enough torque to > > do that. Less torque needed there than in running

Re: [Emc-users] tool changers

2015-10-30 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 30 October 2015 12:23:16 Dave Cole wrote: > Yeah, but you would need to buy all new clothes... That reminds me of a Sci-Fi novel I read about a decade back, called "Next" > Dave > > > It seems to me that we probably still have the DNA for a prehensile > > tail, it has probably been

Re: [Emc-users] tool changers

2015-10-30 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 29.10.15 11:28, Bruce Layne wrote: > tormach ER-20 adaptor... Those are very > nice, but run the cost per tool up about > $50/tool so I only have one adapter and > 3 collets > > > I suggest you search eBay for the TTS compatible collet holders from our > Chinese communist capitalist friends.

Re: [Emc-users] Fwd: backlash compensation

2015-10-30 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 30 October 2015 21:33:34 andy pugh wrote: > On 31 October 2015 at 00:58, Tom Easterday wrote: > > Can anyone verify that backlash compensation has no effect for > > jogging or MDI commands in 2.7.1? > > Just so that you don't think you are being ignored, I don't know,

[Emc-users] Fwd: backlash compensation

2015-10-30 Thread Tom Easterday
Can anyone verify that backlash compensation has no effect for jogging or MDI commands in 2.7.1? -Tom Begin forwarded message: > From: Tom Easterday > Date: October 29, 2015 at 2:10:50 PM EDT > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" >

Re: [Emc-users] Fwd: backlash compensation

2015-10-30 Thread andy pugh
On 31 October 2015 at 00:58, Tom Easterday wrote: > Can anyone verify that backlash compensation has no effect for jogging or MDI > commands in 2.7.1? Just so that you don't think you are being ignored, I don't know, and I don't understand the question. -- atp If you can't fix

Re: [Emc-users] Fwd: backlash compensation

2015-10-30 Thread Jeff Epler
For the following testing, I used the 2.7 branch at ref v2.7.1-26-g21ae480 (26 commits past the most recent release, 2.7.1) I tested backlash compensation by modifying configs/sim/axis/axis.ini to add backlash to the X axis: [AXIS_0] ... -BACKLASH = 0.000 +BACKLASH = 0.100 I

Re: [Emc-users] Fwd: backlash compensation

2015-10-30 Thread Tom Easterday
Thanks Jeff. I was using a dial indicator and moving back and forth before and after setting "BACKLASH = 0.0005" and found no difference. I think I was homed but will verify next time I am at the machine and will also try your method to see what the hal pins believe. Is the "+" and "-"

Re: [Emc-users] Fwd: backlash compensation

2015-10-30 Thread Tom Easterday
I entered a value in my ini file assuming that when I moved back and forth the movements would be compensated by the value in the ini file. But at least for jogging and issuing G1 movements in MDI, nothing changes - that is the backlash is still present. I haven't ever used it before so I

Re: [Emc-users] Carousel Component

2015-10-30 Thread rick
Hey guys, I will have to double check on Monday, but I am going to have to say that it is not installed, but just a folder in my home directory. As for the component in general, I went ahead with some test and tune, looks awesome for sure. Only question I have though, in regards to the

Re: [Emc-users] tool changers

2015-10-30 Thread Gregg Eshelman
On 10/29/2015 8:00 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > Air pressure, pushing on the underside of the piston would allow a > smaller piston, but with MT-3, would still need a ton+ of push, and 3 or > 4 tons to press down and eject. Hell on spindle bearings, but I've > been ejecting MT-3 collets with a 24

Re: [Emc-users] tool changers

2015-10-30 Thread Peter Blodow
Gentlemen, my old little Steinel vertical mill, older than the Black Forest, has a MT3 (MK3 in German). Above this, the bore is drilled hollow 14 mm all the way through to the top of the machine. The collet holder (1 - 20mm) that came with it has M12 inside threads at the end and can be

Re: [Emc-users] tool changers

2015-10-30 Thread Ed
On 10/30/2015 07:56 AM, andy pugh wrote: > On 30 October 2015 at 03:09, Jon Elson wrote: > >> MT3 is a "self holding taper". So, if a clean, burr-free >> holder is driven into a clean, burr-free socket, it should >> resist normal machining forces with NO drawbar, vacuum

Re: [Emc-users] tool changers

2015-10-30 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 30 October 2015 07:03:00 andy pugh wrote: > On 30 October 2015 at 01:47, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Still trying to conjure up an automatic tool catcher > > Does it need to be automatic? The drawbar isn't. I have visions of it being so. Something that would drop a

Re: [Emc-users] tool changers

2015-10-30 Thread andy pugh
On 30 October 2015 at 03:09, Jon Elson wrote: > MT3 is a "self holding taper". So, if a clean, burr-free > holder is driven into a clean, burr-free socket, it should > resist normal machining forces with NO drawbar, vacuum or > other tricks. Yes, for axial loading such

[Emc-users] Carousel Component

2015-10-30 Thread rick
Good Morning Guys, Have a question for Andy Pugh, Finally got to the point of integrating the carousel component into my machine, and was wondering, how do I connect a signal name to the parameter pins in the component, so I can use the home related pins in my ladder logic? I have the rest of

Re: [Emc-users] Carousel Component

2015-10-30 Thread andy pugh
On 30 October 2015 at 13:49, wrote: > Finally got to the point of integrating the carousel component into my > machine, and was wondering, how do I connect a signal name to the > parameter pins in the component, so I can use the home related pins in > my ladder logic?

Re: [Emc-users] tool changers

2015-10-30 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 30 October 2015 10:31:24 andy pugh wrote: > On 30 October 2015 at 14:14, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Page not found. > > Maybe I needed to turn sharing on. > > does this work? > https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/fpwWnXQ9_S8_T6wT6Ri81dMTjNZETYmy

Re: [Emc-users] Carousel Component

2015-10-30 Thread Mark Wendt
Command line search: #> cd / #> find . -name -print Long before GUI's became so popular, command line utilities were the way to go. Mark On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 11:14 AM, wrote: > Where is the .comp file at? > > I can't find the file, debian doesn't have the handy

Re: [Emc-users] tool changers

2015-10-30 Thread John Kasunich
On Fri, Oct 30, 2015, at 10:33 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 30 October 2015 10:20:26 John Kasunich wrote: > > On Thursday 29 October 2015 11:28:30 Bruce Layne wrote: >>> $16 each in quantities of ten >>> www.ebay.com/itm/161733955633 >> That's either a good price or it isn't. > It is,

Re: [Emc-users] Carousel Component

2015-10-30 Thread rick
Thank You Mark, I found the file with locate, then saw your email, I changed the lines in the comp file, but am running into a problem on the compile, I am trying "greenmill@greenmill:~/linuxcnc-dev$ sudo halcompile --install carousel.comp [sudo] password for greenmill: sudo: halcompile:

Re: [Emc-users] tool changers

2015-10-30 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 30 October 2015 10:20:26 John Kasunich wrote: > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015, at 09:13 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Thursday 29 October 2015 11:28:30 Bruce Layne wrote: > > > I found them for you. :-) $16 each in quantities of ten on the > > > slow boat. Maybe less if you search longer

Re: [Emc-users] Carousel Component

2015-10-30 Thread andy pugh
On 30 October 2015 at 14:36, Rick Lair wrote: > Is there any way to compare against that parameter, with out compiling? No tidy way. You can shell out to halcmd and parse the returned text > I am using the 2.7.1 package, not building from the command line, or > will

Re: [Emc-users] Optimum packing problem

2015-10-30 Thread John Kasunich
Glib answer: It doesn't matter. If you have N storage spots for a given size collet, it is inevitable that you will eventually have N+1 collets of that size. Serious answer: I have a scalable design for collet boxes, and I make a box for each size. The ER20 collets live near the machine that

Re: [Emc-users] Carousel Component

2015-10-30 Thread Mark Wendt
Probably means it's not on your path. You can confirm: #> which halcompile Should show if in your path or not. If not, use the find command again. Then, either use the full path, or cd to the directory it's in and preface the command with a dot slash: #> sudo ./halcompile yada yada. On

Re: [Emc-users] tool changers

2015-10-30 Thread John Kasunich
On Thu, Oct 29, 2015, at 09:13 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Thursday 29 October 2015 11:28:30 Bruce Layne wrote: > > I found them for you. :-) $16 each in quantities of ten on the slow > > boat. Maybe less if you search longer than the minute I spent. > > > > www.ebay.com/itm/161733955633 >

[Emc-users] Optimum packing problem

2015-10-30 Thread andy pugh
I wonder what the optimum packing is for a mixture of ER32, ER20, ER16 and ER11 collets? A square array of ER32 with interstitial ER16, then a separate array of ER20 with interstitial ER11? -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto

Re: [Emc-users] tool changers

2015-10-30 Thread andy pugh
On 30 October 2015 at 14:14, Gene Heskett wrote: > Page not found. Maybe I needed to turn sharing on. does this work? https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/fpwWnXQ9_S8_T6wT6Ri81dMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it.

Re: [Emc-users] Carousel Component

2015-10-30 Thread John Kasunich
On Fri, Oct 30, 2015, at 10:25 AM, andy pugh wrote: > > (Why do we have both pins and parameters? Pins use up shared memory, > parameters use the much less limited ordinary memory). Actually pins and parameters both use shared memory for their metadata (which is much bigger than the actual pin

Re: [Emc-users] Optimum packing problem

2015-10-30 Thread Ken Strauss
An interesting question but I prefer to keep collets in a logical size arrangement rather than trying to achieve the closest possible packing. > -Original Message- > From: andy pugh [mailto:bodge...@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 10:49 AM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller

Re: [Emc-users] Optimum packing problem

2015-10-30 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 30 October 2015 11:03:14 John Kasunich wrote: > Glib answer: It doesn't matter. If you have N storage spots for a > given size collet, it is inevitable that you will eventually have N+1 > collets of that size. > Not sure what your definition of eventually is, but I've hit the N+1

Re: [Emc-users] Carousel Component

2015-10-30 Thread rick
Where is the .comp file at? I can't find the file, debian doesn't have the handy search utility on the tool bar like ubuntu did, and I have been looking around in the file system, and don't see anything. Rick > Original Message > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Carousel Component

Re: [Emc-users] tool changers

2015-10-30 Thread Dave Cole
Yeah, but you would need to buy all new clothes... Dave > It seems to me that we probably still have the DNA for a prehensile > tail, it has probably been turned off rather than deleted. That would > be useful. > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.

Re: [Emc-users] Carousel Component

2015-10-30 Thread Rick Lair
Is there any way to compare against that parameter, with out compiling? I am using the 2.7.1 package, not building from the command line, or will it still work the way I am using linuxcnc, modifying the comp file? On 10/30/2015 10:25 AM, andy pugh wrote: > On 30 October 2015 at 13:49,

Re: [Emc-users] tool changers

2015-10-30 Thread andy pugh
On 30 October 2015 at 14:45, Gene Heskett wrote: > That works, but that isn't the image I have wandering around in the back > of my mind. I can see that, it was just intended as a quick and dirty way to catch the holder for manual changes until you grow more limbs. A loop of

Re: [Emc-users] tool changers

2015-10-30 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 30 October 2015 11:22:42 John Kasunich wrote: > On Fri, Oct 30, 2015, at 10:33 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Friday 30 October 2015 10:20:26 John Kasunich wrote: > > > On Thursday 29 October 2015 11:28:30 Bruce Layne wrote: > > > > >>> $16 each in quantities of ten > >>>

Re: [Emc-users] Optimum packing problem

2015-10-30 Thread andy pugh
On 30 October 2015 at 15:03, John Kasunich wrote: > I wouldn't mix sizes in > one box unless I was very short on storage space. I have a lathe, a mill and a mill/lathe, Mig and TIG welders, a bicycle and between 1 and 3 motorcycles all in a small single garage. I _am_

Re: [Emc-users] Carousel Component

2015-10-30 Thread andy pugh
On 30 October 2015 at 15:29, wrote: > sudo: halcompile: command not found Do you have the linuxcnc-dev package installed? halcompile used to be called comp, but I think that your version is new enough for it to be halcompile. I am slightly surprised that you have the

Re: [Emc-users] Carousel Component

2015-10-30 Thread Rick Lair
I don't have the dev package installed, I just downloaded it, to get to the remap stuff. On 10/30/2015 12:01 PM, andy pugh wrote: > On 30 October 2015 at 15:29, wrote: >> sudo: halcompile: command not found > Do you have the linuxcnc-dev package installed? > > halcompile

Re: [Emc-users] tool changers

2015-10-30 Thread Jon Elson
On 10/30/2015 07:56 AM, andy pugh wrote: > On 30 October 2015 at 03:09, Jon Elson wrote: > >> MT3 is a "self holding taper". So, if a clean, burr-free >> holder is driven into a clean, burr-free socket, it should >> resist normal machining forces with NO drawbar, vacuum

Re: [Emc-users] Carousel Component

2015-10-30 Thread rick
greenmill@greenmill:~/linuxcnc-dev/src/hal/components$ locate carousel.comp /home/greenmill/.local/share/Trash/files/linuxcnc-dev/src/hal/components/carousel.comp /home/greenmill/linuxcnc-dev/src/hal/components/carousel.comp greenmill@greenmill:~/linuxcnc-dev/src/hal/components$ sudo

Re: [Emc-users] Carousel Component

2015-10-30 Thread Mark Wendt
You have to use locate or find to find out where "halcompile" is. Or you may have to install the dev package if it's not on your machine. Mark On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 11:47 AM, wrote: > > > > greenmill@greenmill:~/linuxcnc-dev/src/hal/components$ locate > carousel.comp

Re: [Emc-users] Carousel Component

2015-10-30 Thread rick
This what locate returns for halcompile, greenmill@greenmill:~$ locate halcompile /home/greenmill/.local/share/Trash/files/linuxcnc-dev/docs/man/man1/halcompile.1 /home/greenmill/.local/share/Trash/files/linuxcnc-dev/src/hal/utils/halcompile.g

Re: [Emc-users] Carousel Component

2015-10-30 Thread andy pugh
On 30 October 2015 at 16:10, Rick Lair wrote: > I don't have the dev package installed, I just downloaded it, to get to > the remap stuff. There is scope for confusion here. linuxcnc-dev is a package that can be downloaded from the package manager, either through the

Re: [Emc-users] tool changers

2015-10-30 Thread andy pugh
On 30 October 2015 at 01:47, Gene Heskett wrote: > Still trying to conjure up an automatic tool catcher Does it need to be automatic? The drawbar isn't. A c-shaped plate that could pivot across to catch the larger diameter might suffice. Something like

Re: [Emc-users] Optimum packing problem

2015-10-30 Thread Karlsson & Wang
> I wonder what the optimum packing is for a mixture of ER32, ER20, ER16 > and ER11 collets? > > A square array of ER32 with interstitial ER16, then a separate array > of ER20 with interstitial ER11? I would guess guess best packing would be like bee wax in three drawers.

Re: [Emc-users] Carousel Component

2015-10-30 Thread Mark Wendt
>From the looks of things, and from Andy mentioned, it doesn't look like you have the linuxcnc-dev package installed. Installing that should fix this problem. Mark On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 1:03 PM, wrote: > This what locate returns for halcompile, > > >