Re: [Emc-users] Raspberry Pi PREEMPT-RT

2018-06-22 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 22 June 2018 08:47:05 andy pugh wrote: > I haven't seen this mentioned here. It seems that it might be > relevant: > > https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=206747 I almost missed this, bookmarked now, thanks Andy. This thread got into a serious list of questions about ho

Re: [Emc-users] Raspberry Pi PREEMPT-RT

2018-06-22 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 22 June 2018 21:42:53 Jon Elson wrote: > On 06/22/2018 11:10 AM, Peter C. Wallace wrote: > > Linux has had real time kernels for more than 10 years > > rt-linux was used by the original EMC (1) in about 1996 to > port the original EMC over from Sun hardware. > So, it has been about 22 ye

Re: [Emc-users] Raspberry Pi PREEMPT-RT

2018-06-22 Thread Chris Albertson
John, Keeping the discussion theoretical, There are basically three ways to implement an RT Linux, one is as you said you change to the scheduler algorithm to give processes with "RT" priority the CPU when they need it. But this a only a kind of "soft RT system that works if your RT requirements a

Re: [Emc-users] Raspberry Pi PREEMPT-RT

2018-06-22 Thread John Dammeyer
I'm pretty sure the Unix running on the PDP-10 that I used for a University graphics course was also running a real time scheduler. And that was back in 1982. What an RTOS does is provide a fair method of giving users equal time to the scarce resources. It does that at the cost of itself taking

Re: [Emc-users] Raspberry Pi PREEMPT-RT

2018-06-22 Thread Jon Elson
On 06/22/2018 11:10 AM, Peter C. Wallace wrote: Linux has had real time kernels for more than 10 years rt-linux was used by the original EMC (1) in about 1996 to port the original EMC over from Sun hardware. So, it has been about 22 years! Amazing! I got my first EMC system running in 1997

Re: [Emc-users] Raspberry Pi PREEMPT-RT

2018-06-22 Thread andy pugh
On 22 June 2018 at 18:52, Chris Albertson wrote: > With five different RT solutions Linux is good at RT. > > From a Linux CNC user's perspective it might seem that the choices are more > limited. Yes, LinuxCNC only works with three of the five. -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemo

Re: [Emc-users] Raspberry Pi PREEMPT-RT

2018-06-22 Thread Chris Albertson
There are at least five different kinds of real time Linux.I about 20 years ago I write firmware for a CCD camera that run on real-time linux. Real-Time Lins was not new then. But there is a problem with all RT systems. You get low latency an predictable timing but at the cost of efficiency.

Re: [Emc-users] Fwd: shipping

2018-06-22 Thread Dave Cole
FYI, if you use Stamps.com the shipping rates are pretty much identical to Ebay and if you create a shipping label online with USPS, those rates are very close to the Ebay rates as well.    All of these rates are cheaper than if you ship by visiting a USPS office/Post Office. So if you want ch

Re: [Emc-users] Raspberry Pi PREEMPT-RT

2018-06-22 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 22 June 2018 11:39:55 John Dammeyer wrote: > I believe the BeagleBone Black MachineKit uses one of the RT kernel > modifications. However, it's the two PRU processors inside the Beagle > that make it possible to run stepping motors and decode encoders. > > It actually boggles my mind th

Re: [Emc-users] Raspberry Pi PREEMPT-RT

2018-06-22 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Fri, 22 Jun 2018, John Dammeyer wrote: Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2018 08:39:55 -0700 From: John Dammeyer Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" To: "'Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)'" Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Raspberry Pi PREEMPT-RT I believe the BeagleBone Black MachineKit uses one

Re: [Emc-users] Raspberry Pi PREEMPT-RT

2018-06-22 Thread John Dammeyer
I believe the BeagleBone Black MachineKit uses one of the RT kernel modifications. However, it's the two PRU processors inside the Beagle that make it possible to run stepping motors and decode encoders. It actually boggles my mind that decades after say OS-968K, VRTX-86 RTOS or for that matte

[Emc-users] Raspberry Pi PREEMPT-RT

2018-06-22 Thread andy pugh
I haven't seen this mentioned here. It seems that it might be relevant: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=206747 -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and lunatics." — George Fitch,

Re: [Emc-users] shipping

2018-06-22 Thread andy pugh
On 22 June 2018 at 00:51, andy pugh wrote: > -- Forwarded message -- > From: dave engvall > What I'm trying to do is hang a request (OT) on the list looking for > cheap and not so fast ways of getting alloy steel across the pond I think that an alternative question that would ac