Re: [Emc-users] Address in of parrallel port not used in PNCCONF ?

2014-02-09 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Matthieu

The HAL file is correct. The PNCCONF utility will load the Mesa card 
drivers as it does.

What you are wanting to do is load an extra parallel port. This is not 
the same as the 7i43 card but rather a parport. You should add to your 
HAL file the following stuff.

Have a look at this first 
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/hal_parallel_port.html

loadrt hal_parport cfg=0x378 out

setp parport.0.reset-time 5000

loadrt stepgen step_type=0,0,0

addf parport.0.read base-thread

addf stepgen.make-pulses base-thread

addf parport.0.write base-thread

addf parport.0.reset base-thread

addf stepgen.capture-position servo-thread




On 2014-02-09 09:41, Matthieu Patou wrote:
 Hi Marius,

 See the attached file, I don't see anything related to loading the 
 parport driver.
 It seems that the hm2_7i43 module is trying to use the default address.

 I get this on the dmesg
 hm2_7i43.0: board at (ioaddr=0x0378,  ioaddr_hi=0x0778, epp_wide ON) 
 not found!

 I suspect that I should change the line from:
 loadrt hm2_7i43 config=firmware=hm2/7i43-2/SVST4_4.BIT num_encoders=0 
 num_pwmgens=0 num_3pwmgens=0 num_stepgens=3  
 to
 loadrt hm2_7i43 config=ioaddr=0x3bc firmware=hm2/7i43-2/SVST4_4.BIT 
 num_encoders=0 num_pwmgens=0 num_3pwmgens=0 num_stepgens=3  

 If it is the case then it's confirmed that PNCConf has a bug because 
 it should generate this kind of configuration when a non default 
 address is specified for the parallel port.

 Matthieu.
 On 02/05/2014 12:57 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 See if the address that is used when the parport driver is loaded in the
 HAL file is what you expected it to be. You can also post you HAL file
 here so we can have look at that for you.


 On 2014-02-05 10:10, Matthieu Patou wrote:
 Hello All,

 I have an atom desktop with a partport at 0x378 and a 7i43 + 7i42 
 hooked
 to it and it's working well with LinuxCNC 2.5.3.
 On a thinkpad laptop I have a PCMCIA parport card at 0x3bc and when I
 try to run Axis, after configuring this laptop for the same card, I got
 errors about missing card at address 0x378 even though I configured it
 to 0x3BC.

 Did I miss something or is the port specified during PNCConf ignored ?

 Matthieu.

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Re: [Emc-users] Address in of parrallel port not used in PNCCONF ?

2014-02-09 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Mattieu

Chris did confirm that there is a bug when you dont use the default 
port. What happens if you use this line

loadrt hm2_7i43 config=ioaddr=0x3bc firmware=hm2/7i43-2/SVST4_4.BIT 
num_encoders=0 num_pwmgens=0 num_3pwmgens=0 num_stepgens=3  
Also, you must make sure that the parallel port is in EPP mode.


On 2014-02-10 00:53, Matthieu Patou wrote:
 Marius,

 Well I have only one parallel port in this laptop and I want that the
 7i43 that is connected to it to the port at the address 0x3BC.

 When I connect the same 7i43 to an atom based workstation it works well
 because the address of the port is 0x378.

 Matthieu.


 On 02/09/2014 12:32 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Matthieu

 The HAL file is correct. The PNCCONF utility will load the Mesa card
 drivers as it does.

 What you are wanting to do is load an extra parallel port. This is not
 the same as the 7i43 card but rather a parport. You should add to your
 HAL file the following stuff.

 Have a look at this first
 http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/hal_parallel_port.html

 loadrt hal_parport cfg=0x378 out

 setp parport.0.reset-time 5000

 loadrt stepgen step_type=0,0,0

 addf parport.0.read base-thread

 addf stepgen.make-pulses base-thread

 addf parport.0.write base-thread

 addf parport.0.reset base-thread

 addf stepgen.capture-position servo-thread




 On 2014-02-09 09:41, Matthieu Patou wrote:
 Hi Marius,

 See the attached file, I don't see anything related to loading the
 parport driver.
 It seems that the hm2_7i43 module is trying to use the default address.

 I get this on the dmesg
 hm2_7i43.0: board at (ioaddr=0x0378,  ioaddr_hi=0x0778, epp_wide ON)
 not found!

 I suspect that I should change the line from:
 loadrt hm2_7i43 config=firmware=hm2/7i43-2/SVST4_4.BIT num_encoders=0
 num_pwmgens=0 num_3pwmgens=0 num_stepgens=3  
 to
 loadrt hm2_7i43 config=ioaddr=0x3bc firmware=hm2/7i43-2/SVST4_4.BIT
 num_encoders=0 num_pwmgens=0 num_3pwmgens=0 num_stepgens=3  

 If it is the case then it's confirmed that PNCConf has a bug because
 it should generate this kind of configuration when a non default
 address is specified for the parallel port.

 Matthieu.
 On 02/05/2014 12:57 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 See if the address that is used when the parport driver is loaded in the
 HAL file is what you expected it to be. You can also post you HAL file
 here so we can have look at that for you.


 On 2014-02-05 10:10, Matthieu Patou wrote:
 Hello All,

 I have an atom desktop with a partport at 0x378 and a 7i43 + 7i42
 hooked
 to it and it's working well with LinuxCNC 2.5.3.
 On a thinkpad laptop I have a PCMCIA parport card at 0x3bc and when I
 try to run Axis, after configuring this laptop for the same card, I got
 errors about missing card at address 0x378 even though I configured it
 to 0x3BC.

 Did I miss something or is the port specified during PNCConf ignored ?

 Matthieu.

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Re: [Emc-users] Address in of parrallel port not used in PNCCONF ?

2014-02-09 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Hi Matthieu
My next suggestion would have been to see if the port works but you have 
done that now.
I suggest that you email Peter Wallace at Mesa directly. He might be 
able to help better.

On 2014-02-10 08:36, Matthieu Patou wrote:
 Hi Marius,

 On 02/09/2014 08:46 PM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Mattieu

 Chris did confirm that there is a bug when you dont use the default
 port. What happens if you use this line

 loadrt hm2_7i43 config=ioaddr=0x3bc firmware=hm2/7i43-2/SVST4_4.BIT
 num_encoders=0 num_pwmgens=0 num_3pwmgens=0 num_stepgens=3  
 Also, you must make sure that the parallel port is in EPP mode.
 It's not working with this line, the port is in EPP mode it's working
 well when I do stepconf.

 Matthieu.
 On 2014-02-10 00:53, Matthieu Patou wrote:
 Marius,

 Well I have only one parallel port in this laptop and I want that the
 7i43 that is connected to it to the port at the address 0x3BC.

 When I connect the same 7i43 to an atom based workstation it works well
 because the address of the port is 0x378.

 Matthieu.


 On 02/09/2014 12:32 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Matthieu

 The HAL file is correct. The PNCCONF utility will load the Mesa card
 drivers as it does.

 What you are wanting to do is load an extra parallel port. This is not
 the same as the 7i43 card but rather a parport. You should add to your
 HAL file the following stuff.

 Have a look at this first
 http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/hal_parallel_port.html

 loadrt hal_parport cfg=0x378 out

 setp parport.0.reset-time 5000

 loadrt stepgen step_type=0,0,0

 addf parport.0.read base-thread

 addf stepgen.make-pulses base-thread

 addf parport.0.write base-thread

 addf parport.0.reset base-thread

 addf stepgen.capture-position servo-thread




 On 2014-02-09 09:41, Matthieu Patou wrote:
 Hi Marius,

 See the attached file, I don't see anything related to loading the
 parport driver.
 It seems that the hm2_7i43 module is trying to use the default address.

 I get this on the dmesg
 hm2_7i43.0: board at (ioaddr=0x0378,  ioaddr_hi=0x0778, epp_wide ON)
 not found!

 I suspect that I should change the line from:
 loadrt hm2_7i43 config=firmware=hm2/7i43-2/SVST4_4.BIT num_encoders=0
 num_pwmgens=0 num_3pwmgens=0 num_stepgens=3  
 to
 loadrt hm2_7i43 config=ioaddr=0x3bc firmware=hm2/7i43-2/SVST4_4.BIT
 num_encoders=0 num_pwmgens=0 num_3pwmgens=0 num_stepgens=3  

 If it is the case then it's confirmed that PNCConf has a bug because
 it should generate this kind of configuration when a non default
 address is specified for the parallel port.

 Matthieu.
 On 02/05/2014 12:57 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 See if the address that is used when the parport driver is loaded in the
 HAL file is what you expected it to be. You can also post you HAL file
 here so we can have look at that for you.


 On 2014-02-05 10:10, Matthieu Patou wrote:
 Hello All,

 I have an atom desktop with a partport at 0x378 and a 7i43 + 7i42
 hooked
 to it and it's working well with LinuxCNC 2.5.3.
 On a thinkpad laptop I have a PCMCIA parport card at 0x3bc and when I
 try to run Axis, after configuring this laptop for the same card, I got
 errors about missing card at address 0x378 even though I configured it
 to 0x3BC.

 Did I miss something or is the port specified during PNCConf ignored ?

 Matthieu.

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[Emc-users] Multiple INI files

2014-02-11 Thread Marius Liebenberg
I dont know if this has been asked before but hear me out please.
I wondered why we could not have a number of INI files with an #INCLUDE 
type of structure. I would very much like to segment my configuration 
into usable sections like all the AXIS tuning parameters in one file for 
instance. And then place all the display related stuff into another.

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Re: [Emc-users] Multiple INI files

2014-02-11 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Hi Chris
The reason I would like to think I need it is because I test a lot of 
different configs and code on the same machine (hardware ) for instance. 
This means that I have to redo the INI file for every test. I normally 
end up being frustrated (due to own stupidity) by not getting everything 
right first time. Things like paths etc..
I understand if one sets up a machine just once or twice that this is 
not an issue but some of us use LCNC on many machines and have customers 
that use it on machines. I do many conversions or upgrades of machines 
to LCNC and it would be a very handy and practical feature for me.

And yes, just polling to see what others think.

An Idea:
Maybe something like a parser utility that will combine the segmented 
files into one INI file. One can run this after any modifications to 
your work and prior to loading LCNC. This way it would not impact any of 
the internal workings.
If you see the kind of work that Bertho Stultiens, of gcmc fame, does it 
could be possible. We must maybe canvas him ;-)



On 2014-02-12 04:08, Chris Morley wrote:

 Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 21:52:08 +0200
 From: mar...@mastercut.co.za
 To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: [Emc-users] Multiple INI files

 I dont know if this has been asked before but hear me out please.
 I wondered why we could not have a number of INI files with an #INCLUDE
 type of structure. I would very much like to segment my configuration
 into usable sections like all the AXIS tuning parameters in one file for
 instance. And then place all the display related stuff into another.

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 While this is surely doable, I don't think it will be a popular idea with 
 devs.
 Mostly because it complicates the INI retrieval code with out much benefit
   
 You don't mention why this would be particularly handy

 Also the dev list would probably be a better place for this question, unless
 you were polling users for support of the idea.

 Chris M
   
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Re: [Emc-users] Multiple INI files

2014-02-11 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Not knowing the code at all, I am sure that the mechanism for including 
files might exist already seeing the the HAL and VCP files are included. 
There could be a special name for the included files and they can appear 
at the top in a specific order maybe.

On 2014-02-12 08:12, Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote:
 On 02/11/2014 12:52 PM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 I dont know if this has been asked before but hear me out please.
 I wondered why we could not have a number of INI files with an #INCLUDE
 type of structure. I would very much like to segment my configuration
 into usable sections like all the AXIS tuning parameters in one file for
 instance. And then place all the display related stuff into another.
 I've occasionally wanted this feature, for example for the hostmot2
 sample configs which are identical except for a few variables (the
 driver name and the board name in HAL).

 We vaguely follow the already-vague .ini file format, and it does not
 support this feature.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INI_file

 I think there's no reason (other than tradition, and manpower) we
 couldn't invent a new syntax and add this feature to our ini file parser.



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Re: [Emc-users] Emc-users Digest, Vol 94, Issue 29

2014-02-12 Thread Marius Liebenberg
That is a great idea. I could put that into a little script and just run 
that every time I made any change. You can see that I forgot most of 
what I used to know about linux.


On 2014-02-12 09:53, schooner wrote:
 Hi Marius
 On 12/02/2014 06:12, emc-users-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net wrote:
 Hi Chris
 The reason I would like to think I need it is because I test a lot of
 different configs and code on the same machine (hardware ) for instance.
 This means that I have to redo the INI file for every test. I normally
 end up being frustrated (due to own stupidity) by not getting everything
 right first time. Things like paths etc..
 I understand if one sets up a machine just once or twice that this is
 not an issue but some of us use LCNC on many machines and have customers
 that use it on machines. I do many conversions or upgrades of machines
 to LCNC and it would be a very handy and practical feature for me.
 If your requirement is because you would like to have a set of common
 building blocks to create your clients ini files,
 without reinventing the wheel or heavy editing each time you can do this
 yourself.

 In a separate folder create files which contain the various common elements

 Then combine them with cat in the required order

 eg cat threads.ini parport378.ini 4stepgens.ini axis-ngc.ini
 standard-hal.ini axis0.ini axis1.ini axis2.ini  new-machine.ini

 Then finish by hand

 One problem withloads of separate ini files loaded with an include
 directive, is that theconfig picker would still see them as seperate
 configs and require rewriting too

 Just an idea

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Re: [Emc-users] Multiple INI files

2014-02-12 Thread Marius Liebenberg
I also call in a whole lot of HAL files. I found that works well for me 
to keep thing together that belong together. Big HAL files are more 
confusing than complicated INI files.

There are two ideas entered here that I think has merit
One being the cat function and
Two the tk script that combines the various INI files

I am going to test both approaches and see what suits me better. I like 
the idea of building an library of ini files that can be strung together 
with a script.

The ultimate would be to use the script that Dewey made but to use an 
input file that contains the file names of the ini files or sections 
that you want to use and in the order that you would use them. That way 
you can still control the order of the ini structured file. Although his 
script is magic one has to make sure that only the sections that you 
want to use are in the directory.


On 2014-02-12 19:14, Jon Elson wrote:
 On 02/11/2014 11:34 PM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Hi Chris
 The reason I would like to think I need it is because I test a lot of
 different configs and code on the same machine (hardware ) for instance.
 This means that I have to redo the INI file for every test. I normally
 end up being frustrated (due to own stupidity) by not getting everything
 right first time. Things like paths etc..
 I do something similar.  I just copy the whole configs/xxx
 directory,
 with the .ini, .hal, .tbl  and .var files, and then edit
 what needs to be
 changed.  I have found that works pretty easily.

 I do have it set up so the .ini file calls in a bunch of
 .hal files
 which are broken up by function, such as motion, I/O, pendant,
 etc.

 Jon

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Re: [Emc-users] Multiple INI files

2014-02-12 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Hi Dewey
This line give a syntax error. I dont know TK script at all so I dont 
know where to start looking for this.

   set ::files($::idx,name) $f



On 2014-02-12 15:51, Dewey Garrett wrote:
 A script to combine multiple 'section' files (.sec)
 to a single output file (.ini for example) follows

 Usage:

 # paste the text below to a file named combine.tk in a
 # directory containing one for more 'section' files named *.sec
 # cd to that directory
 # (if a output file name is reused, one backup copy is saved (.old))

 $ chmod +x combine.tk # make it executable
 $ ./combine.tk 


 #-- begin combine.tk
 #!/usr/bin/env wish

 set out_suffix .ini
 set in_suffix .sec

 set ::idx 0
 foreach f [lsort [glob *$in_suffix]] {
set ::files($::idx,name) $f
pack [checkbutton .f$::idx -text $f -variable ::files($::idx,use)] -anchor 
 w
incr ::idx
 }
 pack [label .newname -text NewName:] -anchor w
 set ::ename ini_name$out_suffix
 pack [entry .e -textvariable ::ename]

 pack [button .create -text Create -command combine] -expand 1 -fill x
 pack [button .dismiss -text Exit -command exit] -expand 1 -fill x

 proc popup {msg} {
 tk_messageBox -title $::argv0 -type ok -message $msg
 }

 proc combine {} {
set msg 
if {$::ename == } {
  set msg Cannot use blank file name
  popup $msg
  return
}
if [file exists $::ename] {
  file rename -force $::ename ${::ename}.old
  set msg $msg\nSaved: ${::ename}.old\n
}
set ct 0
for {set i 0} {$i  $::idx} {incr i} {
  if $::files($i,use) {
set msg $msg\nAdd: $::files($i,name) to $::ename
exec cat $::files($i,name)  $::ename
incr ct
  }
}
if $ct {
  set msg $msg\n\nCreated $::ename
} else {
  set msg $msg\nNo files selected
}
popup $msg
return
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Re: [Emc-users] Multiple INI files

2014-02-12 Thread Marius Liebenberg
I did a script that will make an INI file from a list of files that are 
named in a file called sections.txt


you invoke it thusly ./make_ini -o yourinifile  ( dont add the file 
extension it will be added)


Oh and dont add a CRLF after the last entry in sections.txt. Its a bug I 
dont know how to fix.//It will run but not exit until you hit cntrl C.



On 2014-02-12 19:26, Marius Liebenberg wrote:

I also call in a whole lot of HAL files. I found that works well for me
to keep thing together that belong together. Big HAL files are more
confusing than complicated INI files.

There are two ideas entered here that I think has merit
One being the cat function and
Two the tk script that combines the various INI files

I am going to test both approaches and see what suits me better. I like
the idea of building an library of ini files that can be strung together
with a script.

The ultimate would be to use the script that Dewey made but to use an
input file that contains the file names of the ini files or sections
that you want to use and in the order that you would use them. That way
you can still control the order of the ini structured file. Although his
script is magic one has to make sure that only the sections that you
want to use are in the directory.


On 2014-02-12 19:14, Jon Elson wrote:

On 02/11/2014 11:34 PM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:

Hi Chris
The reason I would like to think I need it is because I test a lot of
different configs and code on the same machine (hardware ) for instance.
This means that I have to redo the INI file for every test. I normally
end up being frustrated (due to own stupidity) by not getting everything
right first time. Things like paths etc..

I do something similar.  I just copy the whole configs/xxx
directory,
with the .ini, .hal, .tbl  and .var files, and then edit
what needs to be
changed.  I have found that works pretty easily.

I do have it set up so the .ini file calls in a bunch of
.hal files
which are broken up by function, such as motion, I/O, pendant,
etc.

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#!/bin/bash

#   ---
#
#   Shell program to create links in a linuxcnc RIP environment to 
excisting 
# components. This way you can recover your components after an upgrade..
#
#   Copyright 2013, marius,,, mar...@mastercut.co.za.
#
#   This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
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#
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#
#   -h, --help  Display this help message and exit.
#   -d  dname   directory of your dev environment. The root 
please.
#
#
#   Revision History:
#
#   08/31/2013  File created by new_script ver. 2.1.0
#
#   ---


#   ---
#   Constants
#   ---

PROGNAME=$(basename $0)
VERSION=0.0.1



#   ---
#   Functions
#   ---


function clean_up
{

#   ---
#   Function to remove temporary files and other housekeeping
#   No arguments
#   ---

rm -f ${TEMP_FILE1}
}


function error_exit
{

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Re: [Emc-users] Multiple INI files

2014-02-12 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Clearly there are masters and there students in this community. Thanks a 
lot man I really appreciate the help. This script stuff mostly gets me 
under :). Oh and Python as well.
But I am learning.

On 2014-02-12 22:43, Charles Steinkuehler wrote:
 On 2/12/2014 2:33 PM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Oh and dont add a CRLF after the last entry in sections.txt. Its a bug I
 dont know how to fix.//It will run but not exit until you hit cntrl C.
 It's because without a filename cat reads from stdin.  Try something
 like the following instead, which adds support for comments and blank lines:

 while IFS= read -r name 3;
 do
   case $name in
   #*|)  continue ;;
   *)  cat $name  $oname.ini ;;
   esac
 done 3 sections.txt

 Also, since you don't seem to be wanting to support whitespace in your
 filename (cat $name instead of cat $name) you might want to put
 anything after the first whitespace on the line into a different
 variable so you can have lines like:

 pre_amble.sec # Really great startup code

 ...in your sections.text file.  Do this like so:

 while IFS= read -r name JUNK 3;

 ...and you'll get:
 name=pre_amble.sec
 JUNK=# Really great startup code

 ...otherwise with your current code you'll get:

 name=pre_amble.sec   # Really great startup code

 ...which will cause problems with your cat command when it gets expanded.



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Re: [Emc-users] Multiple INI files

2014-02-12 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Nice story. I am sure that is was not so funny at the time. I bet the 
guys who did the batch files system were all from Unix background.

The end result of my quest is a script that will stick the file together 
in a specified order. Pretty much as you suggested here just on Linux.


On 2014-02-13 08:15, Gregg Eshelman wrote:
 On 2/12/2014 7:17 AM, Ralph Stirling wrote:
 Why couldn't the main linuxcnc (axis?) program take multiple ini files
 on the command line?  Just string them in the order you want them
 processed.  That wouldn't require any syntax change to the file itself.
 Here's an idea. Create a file in your operating system of choice's
 scripting language.

 For Microsoft, it's a batch file. Batch files can be quite complex and
 powerful.

 I used to work at a student loan servicing company*. I called their
 system the Mother Of All Batch Files (and this was before the mother
 of all bombs etc.). This system processed a database of several thousand
 loans, every day, generated a huge amount of printout and other stuff.
 The real crazy part? It was ported to DOS from COBOL, and it was
 absolutely NOT ready for Y2K.

 S. If you want to build the ini file from pre-written chunks,
 pre-write the chunks as needed for each section of the file. Then write
 the batch file with a menu to select the sections to assemble then
 concatenate the results in the correct order into a single file.

 For MS systems that would use the copy /b command followed by a list of
 the sections and the output file.

 Very much less complex than a batch file system managing student loans.

 *I was hired to try and fix their Netware 4.11 system after the person
 the company hired before me did a huge no-no. They sent her to Utah for
 the 2 week Netware 3.1x course. Then Netware did an extremely dumb
 thing, mailed her a CD of a beta version of 4.1 with NOT FOR USE IN A
 PRODUCTION ENVIRONMENT in bold text printed right on the disc. So she
 installed it on the 4.0 production server... Then tried to fix it by
 installing the production release of 4.11. New user accounts couldn't be
 created but existing ones could be deleted! The system also insisted
 there was an account with greater rights than the Administrator account,
 which wasn't allowed to do anything except delete existing user
 accounts. They brought in a Certified Novell Engineer and a Certified
 Novell Instructor from Salt Lake and they couldn't fix it either.

 Soon as I saw that beta CD I knew the only way to fix it and get it
 right so it wouldn't explode every 3rd day and lose 2 days work would be
 nuke and pave. Make certain the data was backed up then wipe both
 servers, upgrade the old 3.1x box to 4.11 and start over, then have the
 batch file guys out from New York to setup the Y2K ready version, which
 all else aside they were going to have to do in a few months anyway.
 N, can't do *that*, too expensive. I was never so happy to not be
 fired from a job, especially not with VP Bob The Dinosaur, whom was
 exactly as clueless about tech as the Dilbert character, making the
 decisions about how to fix their mess.

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Re: [Emc-users] Multiple INI files

2014-02-13 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Charles
I made the changes to the scripts as you suggested but I not able to ad 
the comment after the file name entry. It seems like the script does not 
read it into the JUNK variable.
Sorry to bug you with this but I am not well versed with the scripting 
stuff.

On 2014-02-12 22:43, Charles Steinkuehler wrote:
 On 2/12/2014 2:33 PM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Oh and dont add a CRLF after the last entry in sections.txt. Its a bug I
 dont know how to fix.//It will run but not exit until you hit cntrl C.
 It's because without a filename cat reads from stdin.  Try something
 like the following instead, which adds support for comments and blank lines:

 while IFS= read -r name 3;
 do
   case $name in
   #*|)  continue ;;
   *)  cat $name  $oname.ini ;;
   esac
 done 3 sections.txt

 Also, since you don't seem to be wanting to support whitespace in your
 filename (cat $name instead of cat $name) you might want to put
 anything after the first whitespace on the line into a different
 variable so you can have lines like:

 pre_amble.sec # Really great startup code

 ...in your sections.text file.  Do this like so:

 while IFS= read -r name JUNK 3;

 ...and you'll get:
 name=pre_amble.sec
 JUNK=# Really great startup code

 ...otherwise with your current code you'll get:

 name=pre_amble.sec   # Really great startup code

 ...which will cause problems with your cat command when it gets expanded.



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Re: [Emc-users] Multiple INI files

2014-02-13 Thread Marius Liebenberg
All true as you said. I am sure that makefile will work as well I just 
thought the script will be very easy for non programmers to use.
I will test the make file route as well and see what is the easier 
solution to use. Or offer both.



On 2014-02-13 11:36, Russell Brown wrote:
 Quoth Marius Liebenberg.
 Sorry to bug you with this but I am not well versed with the scripting
 stuff.
 Aren't all these scripts just reinventing the wheel?

 Make(1) has existed for decades so put sommat like the following into a
 file called 'makefile':

 #
 #My Makefile for INI files
 #
 INIPARTS1=motion.ini display.ini emc.ini wibble.ini
 INIPARTS2=steppermotion.ini display.ini emc.ini

 machine1.ini: $(INIPARTS1)
  cat $(INIPARTS1)  machine1.ini

 machine2.ini: $(INIPARTS2)
  cat $(INIPARTS2)  machine2.ini
 Twiddle with your file content, type 'make' to build machine1.ini (the
 default in the above) or 'make machine2.ini' to build that.

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Re: [Emc-users] Multiple INI files

2014-02-13 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Ok Russell, I concede, the make file is much better and robust. I will 
be using that for now I think. The main reason that I say this is 
because it is very easy for me to now store stuff in related directories 
and then just retrieve them with paths set up in the make file :)
And I understand makefiles a bit better that scripts, I think.

On 2014-02-13 11:59, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 All true as you said. I am sure that makefile will work as well I just
 thought the script will be very easy for non programmers to use.
 I will test the make file route as well and see what is the easier
 solution to use. Or offer both.



 On 2014-02-13 11:36, Russell Brown wrote:
 Quoth Marius Liebenberg.
 Sorry to bug you with this but I am not well versed with the scripting
 stuff.
 Aren't all these scripts just reinventing the wheel?

 Make(1) has existed for decades so put sommat like the following into a
 file called 'makefile':

 #
 #My Makefile for INI files
 #
 INIPARTS1=motion.ini display.ini emc.ini wibble.ini
 INIPARTS2=steppermotion.ini display.ini emc.ini

 machine1.ini: $(INIPARTS1)
 cat $(INIPARTS1)  machine1.ini

 machine2.ini: $(INIPARTS2)
 cat $(INIPARTS2)  machine2.ini
 Twiddle with your file content, type 'make' to build machine1.ini (the
 default in the above) or 'make machine2.ini' to build that.

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Re: [Emc-users] Machinekit + Beaglebone + mycnc Video's

2014-02-13 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Where I am located the BBB solution is a whole lot more expensive than 
an Atom for instance. Although it is a great idea for small printers 
that need the space, I cant see it taking over the large or custom 
machine market.
Having said that I am looking forward to giving it a try on some machine 
soon. Maybe a foam cutter or a surface grinder.

On 2014-02-13 13:12, andy pugh wrote:
 On 13 February 2014 06:55, Gregg Eshelman g_ala...@yahoo.com wrote:

 It's looking more and more as if a BBB will be what I should use to run
 my big knee mill.
 Why? I can see the attraction if cheapness and portability are
 important, but why not use a standard PC which has PCI sockets, SATA
 hard-drive, proper graphics etc etc?



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Re: [Emc-users] Machinekit + Beaglebone + mycnc Video's

2014-02-13 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Another area of usefulness is in the custom machine market. I get a lot 
of request to design a custom controller that might not justify the 
space of a complete pc and might have some very specific function. 
Having the power of LCNC to configure with is absolutely interesting.

On 2014-02-13 14:05, Charles Steinkuehler wrote:
 Yes, the main advantage of a BeagleBone is cost and size.  Cost really
 only applies for buying new, and apparently not everywhere in the world
 (not a huge surprise).  Even a _really_ old PC is going to me more
 powerful than a BeagleBone, easier to expand, and can be had for little
 or no cost in many parts of the world.

 The size is an issue if you're working with a desktop mill or 3D
 printer, but not really much concern if you're retrofitting big iron.

 On 2/13/2014 5:37 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Where I am located the BBB solution is a whole lot more expensive than
 an Atom for instance. Although it is a great idea for small printers
 that need the space, I cant see it taking over the large or custom
 machine market.
 Having said that I am looking forward to giving it a try on some machine
 soon. Maybe a foam cutter or a surface grinder.

 On 2014-02-13 13:12, andy pugh wrote:
 On 13 February 2014 06:55, Gregg Eshelman g_ala...@yahoo.com wrote:

 It's looking more and more as if a BBB will be what I should use to run
 my big knee mill.
 Why? I can see the attraction if cheapness and portability are
 important, but why not use a standard PC which has PCI sockets, SATA
 hard-drive, proper graphics etc etc?





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Re: [Emc-users] BBB variable voltage output for spindle speed

2014-02-16 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Marcus
Most VFD's have a serial communicatiuons interface that  normally comply 
with the MODBUS protocol. And these days most of them have a USB 
interface so you just plug in and communicate to them.
You will find the comms requirements in the manual. Normally the last 
section in the book. I have not used it this way with LCNC as I have a 
PWM to Pot converter. It uses the 10v supply of the VFD ans simulates a 
pot. The PWM is complete isolated from the VFD.
I have however done several custom controllers making use of the 
communications channel of the VFD.


On 2014-02-16 10:09, Marcus Bowman wrote:
 On 16 Feb 2014, at 05:07, Jared Turner wrote:

 I'm still working with trying to get programatic speed control from my BBB. 
 My driver requires a 0-10v signal or a 10k pot to control speed.
 Interestingly, although these systems are designed around a 10 volt swing, I 
 have measured the swing on my pot in situ, and it swings 14 volts. I have 
 spoken to one of the suppliers of the 10 volt boards, and they said they 
 couldn't give me a board (or a mod) to give a 14 volt swing. I suspect they 
 didn't think the market was great enough, or just didn't believe me. Whether 
 the machine needs that extra 4 volts I can't say. Bought a 10 volt swing 
 board but have not yet fitted it.
 Had to take a break from this - schoolwork is kinda inconvenient at times - 
 found out my digital pot can't work for 10v signals... so I'm thinking about 
 implementing an op-amp and ramping up the output of the BBB to 0-10v. My 
 other option is to connect a servo/stepper motor to a pot which seems a 
 little silly.
 Yes; I saw that recommendation from a supplier, but I felt the potential 
 errors and the hardware overkill meant it was not a preferred solution, in my 
 view.
 I'm just wondering which is easier...
  
 Surely it shouldn't be too hard for the electronics chappies to produce a 
 board which responds to a digital (command) input and outputs a programmable 
 voltage up to, say, 20 volts. It would be more expensive than the current 
 boards but much more useful. Or am I missing something?
 Could someone not provide a board which accepted a digital (command or code) 
 input. run it through a map of the volts-to-speed characteristics of a motor, 
 and output the appropriate voltage (up to the maximum required for that 
 motor). Working with the existing motor controller, that would give good, 
 accurate, speed control.
 Some inverters already claim to be able to respond to signals from a 
 computer, so how is that done?

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Re: [Emc-users] Gantry Best Practices

2014-02-17 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Charles,
I use LCNC on gantry routers and plasma machines with dual steppers on 
the X axis all the time. I simply slave the second motor in the HAL file 
with an inverted DIR signal.
I have my motors driving on a Rack and Pinion setup always and I have a 
spring loaded motor plate to apply constant tension to the pinion. If 
need be one can just release the motors and place the gantry in a 
neutral position before homing.
I found that if the machine is setup to be NOT close to it maximum 
performance, it will never give any problems. If the gantry has racked, 
I simply run it into the stops slowly and the slippage will correct the 
skew.

I have never had the need to run a router in joint mode so I dont have 
the problems that come with that. For my sake please explain the use of 
joint mode with the router.



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 On 2/17/2014 4:47 PM, Steve Blackmore wrote:
 On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 16:51:06 -0600, you wrote:

 On 2/16/2014 4:03 PM, Steve Blackmore wrote:
 On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 14:11:13 -0600, you wrote:

 With the recent release and general popularity of the ShapeOko V2
 desktop mini-mill, I have several folks who are trying to use LinuxCNC
 running on the BeagleBone as a control.  If you are unfamiliar with this
 machine, here's a link:

 https://www.inventables.com/technologies/desktop-cnc-mill-kit-shapeoko-2
 Cant help with the best way to run that with LinuxCNC, but I'd be
 tempted to remove one stepper and run a cross shaft driving both belts
 with possibly a bigger stepper motor.
 Sorry, but I don't consider changing the machine to fit the tool to be
 an acceptable solution.
 Then your stuck with a known problematic design. I wish I had a pound
 for each complaint/query/moan I've seen and heard about twin steppers on
 a gantry machine.

 Other fixes include servos or closed loop steppers but keeping both
 sides in synch with software without any feedback is nigh on impossible.
 Steppers are not the problem, the issues I mentioned apply equally to
 machines with servos and encoder feedback.

 I'm asking for the suggested best way to configure LinuxCNC for
 controlling a gantry system, that presents the user with the least
 opportunity to shoot themselves in the foot.  For instance, how do you
 avoid racking the gantry when jogging in joint mode?  Do you have a
 servo gantry config that avoids or minimizes this possibility you could
 point me to?

 I know folks are controlling gantry systems with LinuxCNC, I'm wanting
 to know how, and what are the pros and cons of each setup.



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Re: [Emc-users] Counterbore G code Generator

2014-02-20 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Hi John
I had to rebuild my laptop so now I am on Python 3.3 and there seem to 
be issues. What is the version that I should use rather?

On 2014-02-20 14:59, John Thornton wrote:
 Hey Gene and anyone else,

 I added counterbore to my mill G code generator in version 1.6.0.

 http://gnipsel.com/files/g-code-generator/

 Any feed back is appreciated.

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Re: [Emc-users] Counterbore G code Generator

2014-02-20 Thread Marius Liebenberg
This one is on Windoze

On 2014-02-20 15:44, John Thornton wrote:
 I'm on 10.04 and Python version is 2.6.5.

 Run from a terminal and let me know the error msg. Dunno if I can fix it
 or not...

 JT

 On 2/20/2014 7:32 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Hi John
 I had to rebuild my laptop so now I am on Python 3.3 and there seem to
 be issues. What is the version that I should use rather?

 On 2014-02-20 14:59, John Thornton wrote:
 Hey Gene and anyone else,

 I added counterbore to my mill G code generator in version 1.6.0.

 http://gnipsel.com/files/g-code-generator/

 Any feed back is appreciated.

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Re: [Emc-users] Counterbore G code Generator

2014-02-20 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Never mind I'll just use the Linux box. It work very well on that. 
Thanks John

On 2014-02-20 15:49, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 This one is on Windoze

 On 2014-02-20 15:44, John Thornton wrote:
 I'm on 10.04 and Python version is 2.6.5.

 Run from a terminal and let me know the error msg. Dunno if I can fix it
 or not...

 JT

 On 2/20/2014 7:32 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Hi John
 I had to rebuild my laptop so now I am on Python 3.3 and there seem to
 be issues. What is the version that I should use rather?

 On 2014-02-20 14:59, John Thornton wrote:
 Hey Gene and anyone else,

 I added counterbore to my mill G code generator in version 1.6.0.

 http://gnipsel.com/files/g-code-generator/

 Any feed back is appreciated.

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Re: [Emc-users] Index (Encoder) Homing

2014-02-20 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Dave man why dont you start a new thread the proper way. Now your stuff 
is all mixed up in another thread.

On 2014-02-20 16:07, Dave Cole wrote:
 Has anyone setup encoder index homing recently with the Hostmot2 driver?

 I'm using a 7i43-2 board with a 7i33 and it cannot find the index pulse
 during the final phase of the homing process.

 The search velocity is negative and the latch velocity is positive.

 I've read the manual, the man 9 hostmot2 file etc.   Nothing is popping
 up as being incorrect.

 HOME_USE_INDEX = YES is present in the INI file.  However the axis
 just keep moving slowly looking for the index pulse but it never sees it.

 The machine homes fine if HOME_USE_INDEX = NO is present in the INI file.

 It appears that the encoder index signal is present at the 7i33 board
 terminal.

 Thanks,

 Dave


 On 2/20/2014 8:49 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 This one is on Windoze

 On 2014-02-20 15:44, John Thornton wrote:
 I'm on 10.04 and Python version is 2.6.5.

 Run from a terminal and let me know the error msg. Dunno if I can fix it
 or not...

 JT

 On 2/20/2014 7:32 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Hi John
 I had to rebuild my laptop so now I am on Python 3.3 and there seem to
 be issues. What is the version that I should use rather?

 On 2014-02-20 14:59, John Thornton wrote:
 Hey Gene and anyone else,

 I added counterbore to my mill G code generator in version 1.6.0.

 http://gnipsel.com/files/g-code-generator/

 Any feed back is appreciated.

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Re: [Emc-users] Counterbore G code Generator

2014-02-20 Thread Marius Liebenberg
I saw that but you where quicker on the draw:)
If you did not choose counter bore it would give a null value error. If 
you did the calculation on the bore tab it would go away. Was it that one?
On 2014-02-20 16:22, John Thornton wrote:
 Give me a moment, I just spotted an error with the counterbore...

 JT

 On 2/20/2014 7:59 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Never mind I'll just use the Linux box. It work very well on that.
 Thanks John

 On 2014-02-20 15:49, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 This one is on Windoze

 On 2014-02-20 15:44, John Thornton wrote:
 I'm on 10.04 and Python version is 2.6.5.

 Run from a terminal and let me know the error msg. Dunno if I can fix it
 or not...

 JT

 On 2/20/2014 7:32 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Hi John
 I had to rebuild my laptop so now I am on Python 3.3 and there seem to
 be issues. What is the version that I should use rather?

 On 2014-02-20 14:59, John Thornton wrote:
 Hey Gene and anyone else,

 I added counterbore to my mill G code generator in version 1.6.0.

 http://gnipsel.com/files/g-code-generator/

 Any feed back is appreciated.

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Re: [Emc-users] Counterbore G code Generator

2014-02-20 Thread Marius Liebenberg
John did you update the version in the about box? I am still seeing 
1.6.1. Now I dont know if I screwed up the extract.

On 2014-02-20 16:24, John Thornton wrote:
 Ok, 1.6.2 is uploaded. Fixed the self induced error and added content to
 the help file.

 JT

 On 2/20/2014 7:59 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Never mind I'll just use the Linux box. It work very well on that.
 Thanks John

 On 2014-02-20 15:49, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 This one is on Windoze

 On 2014-02-20 15:44, John Thornton wrote:
 I'm on 10.04 and Python version is 2.6.5.

 Run from a terminal and let me know the error msg. Dunno if I can fix it
 or not...

 JT

 On 2/20/2014 7:32 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Hi John
 I had to rebuild my laptop so now I am on Python 3.3 and there seem to
 be issues. What is the version that I should use rather?

 On 2014-02-20 14:59, John Thornton wrote:
 Hey Gene and anyone else,

 I added counterbore to my mill G code generator in version 1.6.0.

 http://gnipsel.com/files/g-code-generator/

 Any feed back is appreciated.

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Re: [Emc-users] Losing half the steps in positive direction

2014-02-20 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Rusty
Have look at the pulse width requirements of your BOB and driver board. 
You can set it in the HAL file

Look here as well:
wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Stepper_Drive_Timing
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/config/stepper.html
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/hal_parallel_port.html



On 2014-02-20 17:37, Rusty Russell wrote:
 I am rather new to this, and I don't know of anyone locally to help
 (Huntsville, AL area).  Using a  Sain Smart B.O.B and Driver boards.  All
 three axes work correctly when instructed to traverse in a negative
 direction, however, when instructed positive, only travel half the
 distance.  I have tried using MACH3 to see if the problem was LinuxCNC, but
 I haven't been able to get the trial copy I have to move anything yet.  I
 ordered a replacement B.O.B. and it should be here tomorrow, to see if this
 one is broken.  I know the driver boards work, as they came from another,
 smaller build, that B.O.B. has been lost, though.

 Thank you for any help,
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Re: [Emc-users] Counterbore G code Generator

2014-02-20 Thread Marius Liebenberg
John
I did a tapping process with spot, drill, chamfer and tap. When I 
generated the Gcode it gave me an error that said the counter bore depth 
was null or zero. I pushed the chamfer depth button again and the error 
was gone.
It only happened the once and I cannot recreate the error now.//I am 
wondering now if I maybe did not calculate the depth of the chamfer but 
the error said counter bore

On 2014-02-20 19:18, John Thornton wrote:
 I can't follow what you did to get the error, can you reproduce it?

 JT

 On 2/20/2014 8:34 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 I saw that but you where quicker on the draw:)
 If you did not choose counter bore it would give a null value error. If
 you did the calculation on the bore tab it would go away. Was it that one?
 On 2014-02-20 16:22, John Thornton wrote:
 Give me a moment, I just spotted an error with the counterbore...

 JT

 On 2/20/2014 7:59 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Never mind I'll just use the Linux box. It work very well on that.
 Thanks John

 On 2014-02-20 15:49, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 This one is on Windoze

 On 2014-02-20 15:44, John Thornton wrote:
 I'm on 10.04 and Python version is 2.6.5.

 Run from a terminal and let me know the error msg. Dunno if I can fix it
 or not...

 JT

 On 2/20/2014 7:32 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Hi John
 I had to rebuild my laptop so now I am on Python 3.3 and there seem to
 be issues. What is the version that I should use rather?

 On 2014-02-20 14:59, John Thornton wrote:
 Hey Gene and anyone else,

 I added counterbore to my mill G code generator in version 1.6.0.

 http://gnipsel.com/files/g-code-generator/

 Any feed back is appreciated.

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Re: [Emc-users] Counterbore G code Generator

2014-02-20 Thread Marius Liebenberg
John
Does the metric units work. I tried with mm and MM but I get an error 
that says mill instance has no attribute 'units'

On 2014-02-20 19:47, John Thornton wrote:
 I just uploaded 1.6.3 with some more content in the help file.

 JT

 On 2/20/2014 8:42 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 John did you update the version in the about box? I am still seeing
 1.6.1. Now I dont know if I screwed up the extract.

 On 2014-02-20 16:24, John Thornton wrote:
 Ok, 1.6.2 is uploaded. Fixed the self induced error and added content to
 the help file.

 JT

 On 2/20/2014 7:59 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Never mind I'll just use the Linux box. It work very well on that.
 Thanks John

 On 2014-02-20 15:49, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 This one is on Windoze

 On 2014-02-20 15:44, John Thornton wrote:
 I'm on 10.04 and Python version is 2.6.5.

 Run from a terminal and let me know the error msg. Dunno if I can fix it
 or not...

 JT

 On 2/20/2014 7:32 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Hi John
 I had to rebuild my laptop so now I am on Python 3.3 and there seem to
 be issues. What is the version that I should use rather?

 On 2014-02-20 14:59, John Thornton wrote:
 Hey Gene and anyone else,

 I added counterbore to my mill G code generator in version 1.6.0.

 http://gnipsel.com/files/g-code-generator/

 Any feed back is appreciated.

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Re: [Emc-users] Counterbore G code Generator

2014-02-21 Thread Marius Liebenberg
I changed the units entry in the INI file.

On 2014-02-21 15:15, John Thornton wrote:
 Where did you try and put mm? Change the preamble line to G21 ... for
 metric G code.

 I did fix a few things and 1.6.05 is the latest version.

 JT

 On 2/20/2014 3:02 PM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 John
 Does the metric units work. I tried with mm and MM but I get an error
 that says mill instance has no attribute 'units'

 On 2014-02-20 19:47, John Thornton wrote:
 I just uploaded 1.6.3 with some more content in the help file.

 JT

 On 2/20/2014 8:42 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 John did you update the version in the about box? I am still seeing
 1.6.1. Now I dont know if I screwed up the extract.

 On 2014-02-20 16:24, John Thornton wrote:
 Ok, 1.6.2 is uploaded. Fixed the self induced error and added content to
 the help file.

 JT

 On 2/20/2014 7:59 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Never mind I'll just use the Linux box. It work very well on that.
 Thanks John

 On 2014-02-20 15:49, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 This one is on Windoze

 On 2014-02-20 15:44, John Thornton wrote:
 I'm on 10.04 and Python version is 2.6.5.

 Run from a terminal and let me know the error msg. Dunno if I can fix 
 it
 or not...

 JT

 On 2/20/2014 7:32 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Hi John
 I had to rebuild my laptop so now I am on Python 3.3 and there seem to
 be issues. What is the version that I should use rather?

 On 2014-02-20 14:59, John Thornton wrote:
 Hey Gene and anyone else,

 I added counterbore to my mill G code generator in version 1.6.0.

 http://gnipsel.com/files/g-code-generator/

 Any feed back is appreciated.

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Re: [Emc-users] Counterbore G code Generator

2014-02-21 Thread Marius Liebenberg
You see I am getting used to Linux. Always expect the difficult.
On 2014-02-21 15:45, John Thornton wrote:
 Ah you don't change the ini file directly when you save the preferences
 it updates the ini file.

 JT

 On 2/21/2014 7:31 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 I changed the units entry in the INI file.

 On 2014-02-21 15:15, John Thornton wrote:
 Where did you try and put mm? Change the preamble line to G21 ... for
 metric G code.

 I did fix a few things and 1.6.05 is the latest version.

 JT

 On 2/20/2014 3:02 PM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 John
 Does the metric units work. I tried with mm and MM but I get an error
 that says mill instance has no attribute 'units'

 On 2014-02-20 19:47, John Thornton wrote:
 I just uploaded 1.6.3 with some more content in the help file.

 JT

 On 2/20/2014 8:42 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 John did you update the version in the about box? I am still seeing
 1.6.1. Now I dont know if I screwed up the extract.

 On 2014-02-20 16:24, John Thornton wrote:
 Ok, 1.6.2 is uploaded. Fixed the self induced error and added content to
 the help file.

 JT

 On 2/20/2014 7:59 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Never mind I'll just use the Linux box. It work very well on that.
 Thanks John

 On 2014-02-20 15:49, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 This one is on Windoze

 On 2014-02-20 15:44, John Thornton wrote:
 I'm on 10.04 and Python version is 2.6.5.

 Run from a terminal and let me know the error msg. Dunno if I can 
 fix it
 or not...

 JT

 On 2/20/2014 7:32 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Hi John
 I had to rebuild my laptop so now I am on Python 3.3 and there seem 
 to
 be issues. What is the version that I should use rather?

 On 2014-02-20 14:59, John Thornton wrote:
 Hey Gene and anyone else,

 I added counterbore to my mill G code generator in version 1.6.0.

 http://gnipsel.com/files/g-code-generator/

 Any feed back is appreciated.

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Re: [Emc-users] Preferred sensors for Mesa cards, NPN or PNP?

2014-02-22 Thread Marius Liebenberg
You want to use NPN NC switches. This means that the circuit is 
energized when in normal condition. If the switch is made the circuit 
will open or if the power fails or if the wire breaks, the circuit will 
be open and hence you will detect the condition on the input.
Oh and make sure it is the 3 wire type. The two wire type does not work 
well for our applications.
I use the 12mm  three wire type.


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 I am going to shopaholic a bunch of proximity sensors to replace mechanical
 homing and limit switches for two machines with Mesa cards (5i25/7i77) and
 then it struck me, what is the best option? NPN or PNP?
 How do they behave if there's no power to them or if they fail? For example
 a PNP NO, is it open all the time or only open if the drive circuit has
 power? What I am trying to grasp is what type of switch I should use to
 trust the machine even if the switch fails (broken switch no operation).

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Re: [Emc-users] Preferred sensors for Mesa cards, NPN or PNP?

2014-02-22 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Yes of coarse it depends on the type of input circuit that you use. 
Peter is correct for sinking inputs the PNP is best and for sourcing 
inputs you will use NPN


On 2014-02-22 11:27, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 You want to use NPN NC switches. This means that the circuit is
 energized when in normal condition. If the switch is made the circuit
 will open or if the power fails or if the wire breaks, the circuit will
 be open and hence you will detect the condition on the input.
 Oh and make sure it is the 3 wire type. The two wire type does not work
 well for our applications.
 I use the 12mm  three wire type.


 On 2014-02-22 11:12, Sven Wesley wrote:
 I am going to shopaholic a bunch of proximity sensors to replace mechanical
 homing and limit switches for two machines with Mesa cards (5i25/7i77) and
 then it struck me, what is the best option? NPN or PNP?
 How do they behave if there's no power to them or if they fail? For example
 a PNP NO, is it open all the time or only open if the drive circuit has
 power? What I am trying to grasp is what type of switch I should use to
 trust the machine even if the switch fails (broken switch no operation).

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Re: [Emc-users] USB Camera for edge finder?

2014-02-25 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Interesting Mr Wallace, could you post some example files for us that 
are slow on the uptake please :)

On 2014-02-26 02:40, Kirk Wallace wrote:
 On 11/07/2013 03:15 AM, Russell Brown wrote:
 I've been playing around with camview and a little 10mm endoscope type
 USB camera to see if I could rig such a thing up as an edge finder
 permanently mounted my mill's head.
 If you are having trouble finding camview, I have had some success using
 a GladeVCP window and placing a Pygame video display within it. Pygame
 can also draw text or retical lines over the display.

 http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.5/html/gui/gladevcp.html
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[Emc-users] Servo system oscillating feedback

2014-03-04 Thread Marius Liebenberg
I installed a Mesa 5i25 with 7i77 to drive a Minibravo 60 Brushed DC 
motor drive. It drives a Brushed DC motor (ESA 3M 8019) from Motor Power 
Company. There is a encoder fitted to the motor. Also an ESA 3Mxx? There 
is a 10:1 planetary gearbox fitted to the shaft.

The Minibravo's are designed to work with a tacho and has a tunable PID 
interface when using the tacho. These drives are fitted with an encoder 
interface board that turns the pulses into an analog voltage that is 
supposed to be representative of the rpm of the motor. When the encoder 
option is used it seems that the PID is not in circuit.

The problem is that I get a constant severe oscillation when the motor 
is in rest as well as when it is driven. When I scope it with Halscope, 
I see the constant ripple on the feedback count as well. If I remove the 
analog input signal to the drive, I still get the oscillation.

Has anyone have any experience with this kind of setup. Your assistance 
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Re: [Emc-users] Servo system oscillating feedback

2014-03-04 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Hi Peter
That is what I did but it seems that no matter how I turn the variable 
resistors (multi turn pots) they oscillation remains as strong. There 
are some instruction on tuning the drive when using a tacho but nothing 
for the encode option. I even tried to remove the feedback to the drive 
and go through LCNC for the PID loop. I still cant get rid of the 
oscillating feedback
The customer has a set of drives that was supplied by Mesa and I 
wondered how you would go about connecting the setup if I had to remove 
the drives and replace them with the Mesa drives. I dont know if these 
Minibravos are such great drives as I have never encountered them before.


On 2014-03-04 21:50, Peter C. Wallace wrote:
 On Tue, 4 Mar 2014, Marius Liebenberg wrote:

 Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2014 21:38:42 +0200
 From: Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za
 Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
  emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: [Emc-users] Servo system oscillating feedback

 I installed a Mesa 5i25 with 7i77 to drive a Minibravo 60 Brushed DC
 motor drive. It drives a Brushed DC motor (ESA 3M 8019) from Motor Power
 Company. There is a encoder fitted to the motor. Also an ESA 3Mxx? There
 is a 10:1 planetary gearbox fitted to the shaft.

 The Minibravo's are designed to work with a tacho and has a tunable PID
 interface when using the tacho. These drives are fitted with an encoder
 interface board that turns the pulses into an analog voltage that is
 supposed to be representative of the rpm of the motor. When the encoder
 option is used it seems that the PID is not in circuit.

 The problem is that I get a constant severe oscillation when the motor
 is in rest as well as when it is driven. When I scope it with Halscope,
 I see the constant ripple on the feedback count as well. If I remove the
 analog input signal to the drive, I still get the oscillation.

 Has anyone have any experience with this kind of setup. Your assistance
 will be appreciated :)

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 I would expect that there is a PI velocity control loop in the drive that
 takes the simulated tachometer signal as the velocity feedback.

 If the driver/motor oscillates without any feedback from LinuxCNC you will
 need to lower the drives P/I gains until it is stable before proceeding.





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Re: [Emc-users] Servo system oscillating feedback

2014-03-04 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Dave
I disconnected the 7i77 from the drive completely. It should stand still 
with no input but it oscillates and the adjustments made no impact at all.

On 2014-03-04 23:43, Dave Cole wrote:
 Try disconnecting the 7i77 entirely from the drive and hook a constant
 voltage source to the drives input - I oftentimes use a 1.5 volt battery
 ( an isolated voltage source ).

 Disconnect the load from the motor so the shaft can turn freely.

 There should be some instructions for tuning the drive like this as a
 velocity mode drive.

 Run the motor in one direction, then reverse the battery to run it in
 the other direction.

 See if you can tweak the drive so that it runs smoothly, and at a
 constant speed.

 If the drive is not stable using the battery, it will never be stable
 hooked up to the 7i77.

 Dave

 On 3/4/2014 3:35 PM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Hi Peter
 That is what I did but it seems that no matter how I turn the variable
 resistors (multi turn pots) they oscillation remains as strong. There
 are some instruction on tuning the drive when using a tacho but nothing
 for the encode option. I even tried to remove the feedback to the drive
 and go through LCNC for the PID loop. I still cant get rid of the
 oscillating feedback
 The customer has a set of drives that was supplied by Mesa and I
 wondered how you would go about connecting the setup if I had to remove
 the drives and replace them with the Mesa drives. I dont know if these
 Minibravos are such great drives as I have never encountered them before.


 On 2014-03-04 21:50, Peter C. Wallace wrote:
 On Tue, 4 Mar 2014, Marius Liebenberg wrote:

 Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2014 21:38:42 +0200
 From: Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za
 Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: [Emc-users] Servo system oscillating feedback

 I installed a Mesa 5i25 with 7i77 to drive a Minibravo 60 Brushed DC
 motor drive. It drives a Brushed DC motor (ESA 3M 8019) from Motor Power
 Company. There is a encoder fitted to the motor. Also an ESA 3Mxx? There
 is a 10:1 planetary gearbox fitted to the shaft.

 The Minibravo's are designed to work with a tacho and has a tunable PID
 interface when using the tacho. These drives are fitted with an encoder
 interface board that turns the pulses into an analog voltage that is
 supposed to be representative of the rpm of the motor. When the encoder
 option is used it seems that the PID is not in circuit.

 The problem is that I get a constant severe oscillation when the motor
 is in rest as well as when it is driven. When I scope it with Halscope,
 I see the constant ripple on the feedback count as well. If I remove the
 analog input signal to the drive, I still get the oscillation.

 Has anyone have any experience with this kind of setup. Your assistance
 will be appreciated :)

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 I would expect that there is a PI velocity control loop in the drive that
 takes the simulated tachometer signal as the velocity feedback.

 If the driver/motor oscillates without any feedback from LinuxCNC you will
 need to lower the drives P/I gains until it is stable before proceeding.





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Re: [Emc-users] Servo system oscillating feedback

2014-03-05 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Andy
We did a test by putting a pot onto the input pins of the drive and it 
was more than happy. No oscillations at all and we could move the motor 
very smoothly with the pot. That means the drive is happy with the 
encoder as a simulated tacho.
I have not measured the 5v from the 5i25 or the 24v filed voltage with a 
scope to see if there are noise on them. I have to measure the analog 
output as well to see if I can get where the oscillations are coming from.

Question - is there any way that the feedback can be delayed so long 
that the PID will not function correctly?
I set the PID from very slow to very aggressive but with very little 
effect. If the oscillations are due to induced noise on the output 
signal, then I will not be able to tune it out with the PID.




On 2014-03-05 12:36, andy pugh wrote:
 On 5 March 2014 05:11, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote:

 I disconnected the 7i77 from the drive completely. It should stand still
 with no input but it oscillates and the adjustments made no impact at all.
 It sounds like the simulated-tacho isn't doing a very good job.

 One (off-the-wall) option might be to use a spare 7i77 analogue output
 as a simulated tacho based on the Mesa-measured encoder velocity.
 This ought to be worse than the system you have now, but there is the
 option of tweaking deadbands and linearisation curves etc in HAL, so
 at least you are not working blind.


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Re: [Emc-users] Servo system oscillating feedback

2014-03-05 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Well they describe two scenarios. One with analog input removed 
(floating) and the second with a pot fitted to the input. They are also 
two days apart :)

On 2014-03-05 14:35, andy pugh wrote:
 On 5 March 2014 12:30, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote:

 We did a test by putting a pot onto the input pins of the drive and it
 was more than happy. No oscillations at all
 I disconnected the 7i77 from the drive completely. It should stand still
 with no input but it oscillates and the adjustments made no impact at all.
 Sorry, I am completely baffled by these two mutually-exclusive statements.


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Re: [Emc-users] Confusion over INI vs. GUI MAX_VELOCITY.

2014-03-06 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Andrew
Not knowing what your settings are, I am guessing that you might have 
the TRAJ settings the same as the AXIS settings for velocity. Something 
to bear in mind is that the settings in the TRAJ section are units per 
second whereas the others are units per minute.

On 2014-03-06 20:56, Andrew Back wrote:
 Hello,

 I've been experiencing problems with the Z axis stalling on a Denford
 Novamill with a SmartStep/3 controller. I can stop this from happening
 by reducing the Maximum Velocity setting on the Manual tab in the GUI.
 However, I'm confused as to why this would override -- and thus
 seemingly render pointless -- the corresponding velocity configuration
 in the INI file.

 Also does anyone know where I can find the stepper drive timing
 settings for a Baldor SmartStep controller?

 Regards,

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[Emc-users] Mirrored lathe

2014-03-21 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Hi
I have a lathe that does just one job all of the time (one part with 
varied sizes). The trick with this lathe is that is is two lathes in 
one. A mirrored setup with a dual tool post in the middle and a spindle 
on both ends. The tools are fixed always. It will cut one side finished 
and then move to the other side.
I intend to use ngcgui to produce the gcode and use a gladevcp panel to 
select the side.
Now my question is how do I swap the config around without having to 
generate mirrored gcode? I.E. I want to select the left hand lathe, 
generate the gcode or load it for that matter and cut. When it has done, 
I want to select the other side and cut the same code again. Or so I think.

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Re: [Emc-users] Mirrored lathe

2014-03-21 Thread Marius Liebenberg

On 2014-03-21 17:29, andy pugh wrote:
 On 21 March 2014 15:17, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote:

 . The trick with this lathe is that is is two lathes in
 one. A mirrored setup with a dual tool post in the middle and a spindle
 on both ends
 A picture would help a lot.
Very straight forward really. Not a standard lathe but a custom made to 
cut plastic. Looks much like a wood lathe with two chucks. Linear slides 
along the Z axis with a chuck at each end. One X axis with permanent 
tools set up at both ends of the tool holder.
 Do you want to use XZ for both spindles, or would XZ for one and UW
 for the other be better?
I was hoping to use XZ for both if possible. The action of G10 L2 P1 
R180 would have worked if I did not want to swing around the X. It is 
exactly what I want but just for swinging around the X axis. It means 
that Z is reorientated.
 Either option is relatively straightforward apart from avoiding
 following errors when you switch spindles, or switch the toolpost to
 following a different G-code output.
I would like to keep the same gcode if possible.

Will I have to remap the G10 maybe or do you have a better solution?

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Re: [Emc-users] Mirrored lathe

2014-03-21 Thread Marius Liebenberg

On 2014-03-21 18:02, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
 Can you rotate like you show and then mirror X?
You can with G10 L2 R180. X will rotate 180 deg around the Z. Not what I 
want. I need to rotate the Z.


 On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Marius Liebenberg
 mar...@mastercut.co.zawrote:

 On 2014-03-21 17:29, andy pugh wrote:
 On 21 March 2014 15:17, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za
 wrote:
 . The trick with this lathe is that is is two lathes in
 one. A mirrored setup with a dual tool post in the middle and a spindle
 on both ends
 A picture would help a lot.
 Very straight forward really. Not a standard lathe but a custom made to
 cut plastic. Looks much like a wood lathe with two chucks. Linear slides
 along the Z axis with a chuck at each end. One X axis with permanent
 tools set up at both ends of the tool holder.
 Do you want to use XZ for both spindles, or would XZ for one and UW
 for the other be better?
 I was hoping to use XZ for both if possible. The action of G10 L2 P1
 R180 would have worked if I did not want to swing around the X. It is
 exactly what I want but just for swinging around the X axis. It means
 that Z is reorientated.
 Either option is relatively straightforward apart from avoiding
 following errors when you switch spindles, or switch the toolpost to
 following a different G-code output.
 I would like to keep the same gcode if possible.

 Will I have to remap the G10 maybe or do you have a better solution?

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Re: [Emc-users] Mirrored lathe

2014-03-21 Thread Marius Liebenberg

On 2014-03-21 18:17, andy pugh wrote:
 On 21 March 2014 15:50, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote:
 Very straight forward really. Not a standard lathe but a custom made to
 cut plastic. Looks much like a wood lathe with two chucks. Linear slides
 along the Z axis with a chuck at each end. One X axis with permanent
 tools set up at both ends of the tool holder.
 I am sure that the description is very clear to you, but I can't yet
 work out if the spindles turn in the same direction, or if the tools
 for each spindle operate on the same or opposite sides of the work.
The spindles can be activated independently and also change direction 
independently form each other. The tools work on the same side so one 
will spin clock wise and the other anti clockwise for the same job

 It seems like you should just be able to change coordinate systems and
 use negative Z values.

 If you want Z to be positive away from either chuck, depending on a
 mode change, then how do you allow for the fact that the Z-axis
 position is out by a couple of feet when you switch modes?
 What do you want to happen when you do switch modes? If Z = 10 is 10mm
 from one spindle and you change mode, do you want the tool to
 instantly shoot to within 10mm of the other spindle?

 How do you want to inform the system which spindle you are working with?
The change over from one spindle to the other will happen as a move to 
the centre of the lathe where the reference position will be. There will 
be code in the beginning of the job loop to probe the material and then 
run the gcode from there. So I envisage some python code to control the 
spindles via hal. The solution will have a gladevcp panel with cotrols 
on it. Probaly to select the right spindle and to swap the coordinate 
system. That is why I want to keep the gcode as one file and do the swap 
in some other fashion. I was hoping to use MDI to swap the coordinates.

I am sorry I am not close to the machine so I cannot send a picture of it.


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Re: [Emc-users] Mirrored lathe

2014-03-21 Thread Marius Liebenberg

On 2014-03-21 18:57, Dave Caroline wrote:
 How about just ignore conventions and invert the Z direction.

You mean like with a component to invert the dir pin of the stepper?

 Dave Caroline

 On 21/03/2014, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote:
 On 2014-03-21 18:02, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
 Can you rotate like you show and then mirror X?
 You can with G10 L2 R180. X will rotate 180 deg around the Z. Not what I
 want. I need to rotate the Z.

 On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Marius Liebenberg
 mar...@mastercut.co.zawrote:

 On 2014-03-21 17:29, andy pugh wrote:
 On 21 March 2014 15:17, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za
 wrote:
 . The trick with this lathe is that is is two lathes in
 one. A mirrored setup with a dual tool post in the middle and a
 spindle
 on both ends
 A picture would help a lot.
 Very straight forward really. Not a standard lathe but a custom made to
 cut plastic. Looks much like a wood lathe with two chucks. Linear slides
 along the Z axis with a chuck at each end. One X axis with permanent
 tools set up at both ends of the tool holder.
 Do you want to use XZ for both spindles, or would XZ for one and UW
 for the other be better?
 I was hoping to use XZ for both if possible. The action of G10 L2 P1
 R180 would have worked if I did not want to swing around the X. It is
 exactly what I want but just for swinging around the X axis. It means
 that Z is reorientated.
 Either option is relatively straightforward apart from avoiding
 following errors when you switch spindles, or switch the toolpost to
 following a different G-code output.
 I would like to keep the same gcode if possible.

 Will I have to remap the G10 maybe or do you have a better solution?

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Re: [Emc-users] Mirrored lathe

2014-03-21 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Maybe I should have mentioned that only one spindle is active at any 
time. So in essence we have two lathes in one in order for them to step 
up production. They share a tool post and the x axis. Well the Z as well 
I suppose.

On 2014-03-21 18:17, andy pugh wrote:
 On 21 March 2014 15:50, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote:
 Very straight forward really. Not a standard lathe but a custom made to
 cut plastic. Looks much like a wood lathe with two chucks. Linear slides
 along the Z axis with a chuck at each end. One X axis with permanent
 tools set up at both ends of the tool holder.
 I am sure that the description is very clear to you, but I can't yet
 work out if the spindles turn in the same direction, or if the tools
 for each spindle operate on the same or opposite sides of the work.

 It seems like you should just be able to change coordinate systems and
 use negative Z values.

 If you want Z to be positive away from either chuck, depending on a
 mode change, then how do you allow for the fact that the Z-axis
 position is out by a couple of feet when you switch modes?
 What do you want to happen when you do switch modes? If Z = 10 is 10mm
 from one spindle and you change mode, do you want the tool to
 instantly shoot to within 10mm of the other spindle?

 How do you want to inform the system which spindle you are working with?


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Re: [Emc-users] Mirrored lathe

2014-03-21 Thread Marius Liebenberg
I think you have given my some idea of how to approach this. I will have 
a panel with some controls on and a python script behind that to make 
sure only one chuck is working at any time. This way I can turn the 
setup around and still have the same gcode to work on both sides. One at 
a time. While the one is busy, the operator will load the stock on the 
other one.

so this is how I think it will go:

The operator will load stock in a chuck
he will select the chuck on the panel
He will enter the part size on the ngcgui screen
he will push go
the stock will be probed and the number of parts calculated
the gcode will run for a number of parts.
He will load the other chuck
once the first job is done he will select the other chuck and push run
The whole day long.



On 2014-03-21 19:14, Dave Caroline wrote:
 I am not sure of your setup one Z or two, if two yes just have your Zs
 in the way that makes the gcode sensible, so one is inverted, I think
 your display may need fixing too so it looks properly right hand.

 Dave Caroline

 On 21/03/2014, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote:
 On 2014-03-21 18:57, Dave Caroline wrote:
 How about just ignore conventions and invert the Z direction.
 You mean like with a component to invert the dir pin of the stepper?
 Dave Caroline

 On 21/03/2014, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote:
 On 2014-03-21 18:02, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
 Can you rotate like you show and then mirror X?
 You can with G10 L2 R180. X will rotate 180 deg around the Z. Not what I
 want. I need to rotate the Z.

 On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Marius Liebenberg
 mar...@mastercut.co.zawrote:

 On 2014-03-21 17:29, andy pugh wrote:
 On 21 March 2014 15:17, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za
 wrote:
 . The trick with this lathe is that is is two lathes in
 one. A mirrored setup with a dual tool post in the middle and a
 spindle
 on both ends
 A picture would help a lot.
 Very straight forward really. Not a standard lathe but a custom made
 to
 cut plastic. Looks much like a wood lathe with two chucks. Linear
 slides
 along the Z axis with a chuck at each end. One X axis with permanent
 tools set up at both ends of the tool holder.
 Do you want to use XZ for both spindles, or would XZ for one and UW
 for the other be better?
 I was hoping to use XZ for both if possible. The action of G10 L2 P1
 R180 would have worked if I did not want to swing around the X. It is
 exactly what I want but just for swinging around the X axis. It means
 that Z is reorientated.
 Either option is relatively straightforward apart from avoiding
 following errors when you switch spindles, or switch the toolpost to
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 I would like to keep the same gcode if possible.

 Will I have to remap the G10 maybe or do you have a better solution?

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Re: [Emc-users] Mirrored lathe

2014-03-21 Thread Marius Liebenberg

On 2014-03-21 19:15, Kirk Wallace wrote:
 On 03/21/2014 09:57 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 ... snip
 The change over from one spindle to the other will happen as a move to
 the centre of the lathe where the reference position will be. There will
 be code in the beginning of the job loop to probe the material and then
 run the gcode from there. So I envisage some python code to control the
 spindles via hal. The solution will have a gladevcp panel with cotrols
 on it. Probaly to select the right spindle and to swap the coordinate
 system. That is why I want to keep the gcode as one file and do the swap
 in some other fashion. I was hoping to use MDI to swap the coordinates.

 I am sorry I am not close to the machine so I cannot send a picture of it.


 Maybe something like this?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJov8SdmsS4
That is awesome stuff. Mine is nothing as complicated though and the 
position of the two spindles are fixed

 I would tend to use the hardware and LinuxCNC as-is then do all the
 customization in a CAM or a g-code generator. Switching Z axis direction
 on the fly seems risky or difficult.

I tend to agree with you and that is what I planned from the word go. 
However once you look at the variables in the operational conditions, it 
is not that simple. There are to many choices that could influence how 
the thing works. And the biggest thing is that the machine will only 
ever make one part. There are four parts to set and they are going to 
have four machines that does a single type of part each. So if I have 
done it once then it is done. No need for CAM to confuse them.


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Re: [Emc-users] Mirrored lathe

2014-03-21 Thread Marius Liebenberg

On 2014-03-21 19:35, andy pugh wrote:
 This might be doable with a programmed tool-change position at the
 cross over point between the two Z axes.
 (There is an INI file entry for that)
 Basically the toolpost moves to zero in the absolute coordinates, then
 a bit of HAL code inverts the scale of the Z stepgen or PID (possibly
 according to whether the requested tool number is odd or even) then
 you carry on with a Z that runs backwards.
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Re: [Emc-users] Mirrored lathe

2014-03-21 Thread Marius Liebenberg
John
That was my first concern as well but as I am not the designer or 
builder of the machine I have no say about that. The owner did ensure me 
that there are screens to be installed that will shelter the operator. 
People do funny things and I just install and configure LCNC :)

The shop is run by two guys only and one of them will handle all four of 
the machines. He will load the chucks and start the programs. The part 
takes a minute or two to make and a piece of stock large enough to make 
ten parts is loaded in each side. So not to hectic for one guy to handle 
if done in this way. So there is some good logic to the way they intend 
the machines to operate

On 2014-03-21 20:06, John Kasunich wrote:

 On Fri, Mar 21, 2014, at 01:41 PM, Dave Caroline wrote:
 Why would one have a mirrored lathe if only one is usable at a time?
 not sure I see the production gain.

 Load one chuck while the other is running.

 Which of course raises plenty of safety concerns.  I hope Marius
 has a plan for that - the operator loading chuck #1 needs to be
 protected from the spinning part in chuck 2, the moving tool-post,
 and flying chips.



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[Emc-users] Cutting two side of the job

2014-03-24 Thread Marius Liebenberg
I am busy with some ngcgui stuff to cut some small parts on a lathe. The 
tools are setup as back tools on the lathe but I need to cut the Id of 
the job with the same too as the od. So the lathe set up as a back tool 
lathe on Gmoccapy and the OD shows correct but I need to cut the ID in 
the opposite side with the spindle running forward. Is there a way to 
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Re: [Emc-users] Cutting two side of the job

2014-03-24 Thread Marius Liebenberg
I tried that Andy but is does not work as expected. I will have to write 
the routine to explicitly do that.
I was hoping to find a shortcut and not have to write it from scratch. 
No problem I like learning new stuff. It's what drives me :)


On 2014-03-24 15:33, andy pugh wrote:
 On 24 March 2014 13:23, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote:
   Is there a way to
 switch between these two modes with Gcode?
 I _think_ you can just use a negative diameter and it works.


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Re: [Emc-users] Cutting two side of the job

2014-03-24 Thread Marius Liebenberg
I found a solution. If you just put a (-) in front of the Z figure it 
travels the opposite way. You also have to swing the incremental counter 
for the no of cuts to add in stead of subtract as well.

On 2014-03-24 15:49, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 I tried that Andy but is does not work as expected. I will have to write
 the routine to explicitly do that.
 I was hoping to find a shortcut and not have to write it from scratch.
 No problem I like learning new stuff. It's what drives me :)


 On 2014-03-24 15:33, andy pugh wrote:
 On 24 March 2014 13:23, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote:
Is there a way to
 switch between these two modes with Gcode?
 I _think_ you can just use a negative diameter and it works.


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Re: [Emc-users] Error Messages

2014-03-28 Thread Marius Liebenberg
There is a button at the bottom of the screen Select All Press that 
and then open gedit. Right click and paste the contents of the error screen.


On 2014-03-29 05:41, Bill Brettle wrote:
 My Mill would not connect and I received a fairly long message entitled
 LinuxCNC Errors which stated in the header When reporting
 problems,please include all the information below in your message.

 However, I cannot copy, print, or in any other may transmit this
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Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc stepper mill configuration

2014-03-30 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Bill
I looked at your files but I could see nothing obviously wrong with 
them. Did you ever edit these files with a widows based editor?
It sometime helps to restart the terminal session if you get funnies 
that just happen without explanation.

Please explain the other strange files in your directory, they are a bit 
confusion.


On 2014-03-29 09:44, Bill wrote:
 Thankyou Marius. So simple when you know how



 Hi everyone,



 I rewrote my BillsMill.hal based on one in LinuxCNC forum Sept 2012



 When I tried to run LCNC,  it wouldn't run and gave me an error message



 The attachment includes that error message together with my LinuxCNC folder
 which will give all my settings



 Thanks for your help



 Bill

   

   

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 From: Marius Liebenberg

 Date: 03/29/14 15:21:00

 To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net

 Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Error Messages

   

 There is a button at the bottom of the screen Select All Press that

 and then open gedit. Right click and paste the contents of the error screen.

   

   

 On 2014-03-29 05:41, Bill Brettle wrote:

 My Mill would not connect and I received a fairly long message entitled
 LinuxCNC Errors which stated in the header When reporting
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Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc stepper mill configuration

2014-03-30 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Sorry about the double posts my mail client said the message was not 
sent and it could not save it so I redid the message.

On 2014-03-30 08:09, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Bill
 I looked at your files but I could see nothing obviously wrong with
 them. Did you ever edit these files with a widows based editor?
 It sometime helps to restart the terminal session if you get funnies
 that just happen without explanation.

 Please explain the other strange files in your directory, they are a bit
 confusion.


 On 2014-03-29 09:44, Bill wrote:
 Thankyou Marius. So simple when you know how



 Hi everyone,



 I rewrote my BillsMill.hal based on one in LinuxCNC forum Sept 2012



 When I tried to run LCNC,  it wouldn't run and gave me an error message



 The attachment includes that error message together with my LinuxCNC folder
 which will give all my settings



 Thanks for your help



 Bill





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 From: Marius Liebenberg

 Date: 03/29/14 15:21:00

 To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net

 Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Error Messages



 There is a button at the bottom of the screen Select All Press that

 and then open gedit. Right click and paste the contents of the error screen.





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 My Mill would not connect and I received a fairly long message entitled
 LinuxCNC Errors which stated in the header When reporting
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Re: [Emc-users] gmoccapy versions?

2014-04-02 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Hi Matt
Gmoccapy is now a stand alone program and no longer rides on the gscreen 
program. Gscreen is a program on it own and so is gmoccapy. You should 
load any one of the two.

On 2014-04-03 06:50, Matt Shaver wrote:
 I can start gmoccapy in two different ways, either DISPLAY = gmoccapy,
 or DISPLAY = gscreen -c gmoccapy. However these seem to be two somewhat
 different programs, both called gmoccapy :)

 My questions are:

 1. Most of the docs I can find relate to the DISPLAY = gmoccapy version.
 Is there documentation on the gscreen version?
The two no longer live together. If you want to use gscreen you will 
have to refer to that document

 2. The DISPLAY = gmoccapy version has two features I'm interested in:
 Automatic tool length measuring and soft limit control to avoid
 obstacles. Are these features available in the gscreen version?
Automatic tool length functionsd are normally found under the remap 
features. It can be implemented in most screens.  I cannot speak for 
gscreen but as it is the basis that gmoccapy was built on I have to 
assume that it will have similar functionality. Have a look at the remap 
examples
 3. Is the DISPLAY = gmoccapy version deprecated in reference to the
 gscreen version, or are they both in active development?
Not deprecated at all. Gmoccapy use to be a skin for gscreen but the 
creator made it standalone and fully functional as a GUI. Bothe 
developments are the latest in GUI on linuxcnc.


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Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-03 Thread Marius Liebenberg
As much as we all want the big features, not one of us who use and test 
the Master branch on a regular basis has seen any of these for general 
use or testing.

I for one cannot wait to get the new TP but I will not use it in any 
installation before it has been tested by myself and a lot of other users.

Unfortunately there are many lurkers and lesser informed people out 
there that spread rumours about things that are not to be. I had a 
tensed discussion with an unsuspecting user two days ago that insisted 
that the new TP will be in the release.

So I will support the merger of these major features into the master 
branch as soon as possible so we can start testing :) But I also support 
the notion that untested stuff does not go for release until tested.



On 2014-04-02 08:50, Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote:
 I am pleased to announce the creation of a branch for stabilizing and
 releasing LinuxCNC 2.6.  This marks the beginning of the 2.6 release
 process.  Look for a 2.6.0~pre1 pre-release in the near future.

 The 2.6 branch does not contain either of the two big, hotly anticipated
 merge candidates, joints-axes and unified-build-candidate.  It is my
 (unpopular) opinion that both of these branches require additional work
 to be release-ready, and i don't want to hold up the 2.6 release any
 longer.  It's been two years since 2.5.0 and that's way too long.  There
 are good features that are ready to release today, so I want to get
 those out to users while we finish up the next round of features for the
 next release.

 Both branches are candidates for a future 2.7 release (as is Robert
 Ellenberg's new trajectory planner).  I intend for the 2.7 release cycle
 to be much shorter than 2.6 was, and i intend to keep working with
 everyone's help to make ready the features in the pipeline for 2.7.  But
 for now I ask for everyone's help in getting 2.6 out.

 Breaking with tradition, the 2.6 branch is called, simply, 2.6.  Bug
 fixes are welcome in 2.6 (or in v2.5_branch if appropriate), as are new
 components and drivers, but commits that potentially destabilize
 existing functionality should be reviewed before being pushed to the
 release branch.

 The 2.6 release is targeting the following platforms:

 Realtime (RTAI):

  Ubuntu Lucid (32-bit, Linux 2.6.32)
  Ubuntu Precise (32-bit, Linux 3.4)
  Debian Wheezy (32-bit, Linux 3.4)

 Simulation:

  Ubuntu Lucid
  Ubuntu Precise
  Debian Wheezy

 Ubuntu Hardy (RTAI and simulation) is not currently supported because of
 a build dependency of the new xhc-hb04 driver.  If there is user desire
 for 2.6 on Hardy we can disable that driver on Hardy (while still
 shipping that driver on the newer platforms).


 Work remaining/request for help:

  Testing - especially be on the lookout for any needed config changes
  Squashing of bugs (https://sf.net/p/emc/bugs/milestone/2.6/)
  Building of new Live CDs (for both Precise and Wheezy)
  Proof-reading the docs



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Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-03 Thread Marius Liebenberg
I have to agree here. The instructions to install is on the wiki and not 
hard to do. I have not used production release (2.5.3) for a long time. 
I only use and test on master. Once it is set up it is three commands 
and you running



On 2014-04-03 21:08, andy pugh wrote:
 On 3 April 2014 19:50, Steve Blackmore st...@pilotltd.net wrote:
 now as it's been fixed it sits languishing
 in some place only the adept can get at.
 It isn't _that_ hard to get the development branch.
 Configure the Synaptic Package manager to look at the buildbot then
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Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-03 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Mark
Use the git method to install and compile the master branch. The wiki is 
very clear and easy to follow. I turn the auto update stuff off 
completely as it screws with my stuff all the time. I do a regular pull 
form the branch to stay up to date.
If I installed a machine from master and it runs without hassles I just 
leave it at that.
Have a look here
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Installing_LinuxCNC#Getting_the_source_with_git


On 2014-04-03 21:20, Mark Tucker wrote:
 Well i tried that.
 It now continually tells me there is an update,then will not let me as
 there is something wrong with keys.
 I have to continually remove and re-install.
 A rather large pain.

 On 03/04/14 20:08, andy pugh wrote:
 On 3 April 2014 19:50, Steve Blackmore st...@pilotltd.net wrote:
 now as it's been fixed it sits languishing
 in some place only the adept can get at.
 It isn't _that_ hard to get the development branch.
 Configure the Synaptic Package manager to look at the buildbot then
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Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-03 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Mark
I also only ever run from the master. I dont use the buildbot since I 
found it to be unreliable some time ago. It might have bee fixed by now 
but it is not my preferred method.
I dont usually install from git unless it is a special case to test. 
Hence my request to Seb to get the new stuff into the master so that 
more of us can get to test it.

But I do understand the guru issue although I think it is more of a 
problem because people are historically scared of linux.

There's an old saying Nothing ventured nothing gained. It is not as 
hard as what you think once you get to know it. We are never to old to 
learn and learning is the only resistance to getting senile. :)


On 2014-04-03 22:07, Mark Tucker wrote:
 Marius

 You have missed the point.
 I also run master from the git repository.
 But master fom the buildbot does not work correctly for me (wrong keys
 when updating).
 Which means i had to install from git and as steve said only the linux
 adept can get it.
 It is a case of oh load that version from here,but if you want that
 particular part to work you have to load it from another place.
 Oh and that place is a git to get it from


 On 03/04/14 20:31, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Mark
 Use the git method to install and compile the master branch. The wiki is
 very clear and easy to follow. I turn the auto update stuff off
 completely as it screws with my stuff all the time. I do a regular pull
 form the branch to stay up to date.
 If I installed a machine from master and it runs without hassles I just
 leave it at that.
 Have a look here
 http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Installing_LinuxCNC#Getting_the_source_with_git


 On 2014-04-03 21:20, Mark Tucker wrote:
 Well i tried that.
 It now continually tells me there is an update,then will not let me as
 there is something wrong with keys.
 I have to continually remove and re-install.
 A rather large pain.

 On 03/04/14 20:08, andy pugh wrote:
 On 3 April 2014 19:50, Steve Blackmore st...@pilotltd.net wrote:
 now as it's been fixed it sits languishing
 in some place only the adept can get at.
 It isn't _that_ hard to get the development branch.
 Configure the Synaptic Package manager to look at the buildbot then
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Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-03 Thread Marius Liebenberg
I would have put the likes of yourself into the guru class not what I do :)

On 2014-04-03 22:01, andy pugh wrote:
 On 3 April 2014 20:31, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote:
 Mark
 Use the git method to install and compile the master branch.
 I do think that falls into the Linux Guru category though.

 Setting up an alternative software source (which I haven't found any
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Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc stepper mill configuration

2014-04-06 Thread Marius Liebenberg

On 2014-04-06 06:37, Bill Brettle wrote:
 Thankyou both

 First, the LOW on pin 1 was 0v sorry to muddy the waters.

 Second, I corrected the -out-invert problem now I get this Error message
 Debug file information:
 Can not find -sec MOT -var MOT -num 1
 Can not find -sec IO -var IO -num 1
 Can not find -sec LINUXCNC -var NML_FILE -num 1
 Can not find -sec EMC -var NML_FILE -num 1
 BillsMill.hal:24: setp requires 2 arguments, 1 given
This means that you probably did not tell setp what to to set the pin 
to. Usuall it will be - setp parport.0.pin-02-out-invert 1

 6953
PID TTY  STAT   TIME COMMAND

 What does all this mean?

 Third, I have included the line net
 Xhome parport.0.pin-10-in= axis.0.home-sw-in axis.0.neg-lim-sw-in
 axis.0.pos-lim-sw-in

 Is this OK?

Should work ok
 Stepper configuration article says this:
 ### Shared home switches all on one parallel port pin?
 ### that's ok, hook the same signal to all the axes, but be sure to
 ### set HOME_IS_SHARED and HOME_SEQUENCE in the ini file.  See the
 ### user manual!

 Is this necessary ? if so, where and what do I enter in my .ini?
Yes otherwise lcnc does not now how to handle the limits. This is a very 
good read.
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/config/ini_config.html

 Hope I'm making sense

 Regards Bill

 PS Gene, Hows the back going, any news on the op.? B



 On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 11:51 PM, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote:

 On Saturday 05 April 2014 09:28:28 Bill Brettle did opine:

 Hi again everyone

   Pin No. 01 on my BOB is enable, and unless it is on HIGH the motion
 commands are blocked, I've discovered that the input from the computer
 on this pin is 5v (ie HIGH) but the BOB inverts this so that the output
 is about 2v (ie Low) so what I now want to do is to invert the output
 from the computer.
 First off, if its only going down to 2 volts, you have a hardware problem.
 A fairly serious, something is trying to pull it up, and may have already
 blown that gate on your BOB.  Maker and model of the BOB?

 Second off setp parport.0.pin-#-out-invert in your .hal file will do the
 inversion.

 There are some example on how to do this in an LCNC
 document titled Stepper Configuration. (with part of that document
 Attached) When I put that into my HAL file I get an error message as
 shown on the top line of that attachment.

 I have the opposite problem with my spindle which turns on when I start
 the program and turns off at an M3 Code.

 Apply that same setp to the parport pin that enables the spindle.
 IOW your setp parport.0.pin-9-invert TRUE becomes
 setp parport.0.pin-9-out-invert TRUE

 Same syntax for its pin 1

 Until I get this sorted out I can't sort out the other problems.

 I have included my .HAL and .INI files. As an ex Architect, ex Pastor,
 and ex Taxi Driver, I'm pretty much out of my depth, so could someone
 please check these to make sure that I'm not making a complete mash of
 them.

 Regards Bill
 You also have 4 stepgens configured in your .hal file, but only 3 in your
 .ini file.  That likely will cause errors when you get that far.

 And, are you sure that the stepgen config is correct?
 On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 7:46 PM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 2 April 2014 05:51, Bill Brettle billbret...@gmail.com wrote:
 1. how is Xenable triggered, it doesn't appear to be going high
 Xenable isn't a HAL pin, so I assume that it is a signal that is
 created in your HAL file.
 You probably want to connect it to axis.0.amp-enable-out.
 http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/motion.9.html

 My setup is a 3 axis, 2 wire connection. The 2 wires require B  C
 (or A
 

 D) phases and provides the other phases as inversions of the phases
 provided.
 Does that work? I thought that the step sequence required each phase
 to be completely off some of the time.
 We normally call that A/B/Z where AB have a 90 degree relationship looking
 something like 2 square waves, out of time by half the period of the wave
 at each logic level. Z is only active during the once per revolution index
 pulse.

 There are 4 patterns, and you have 4 codes, so it should be possible
 to make it work.
 Looking at (for example) pattern 8
 http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/rtcomps.html#sec:Stepgen
 Does show the phases you describe, I can't decide if that will drive a
 unipolar motor, or if is is designed as a differential drive to a
 driver.

 The attached BillsMill.hal shows how I have configured the pins ie
 by
 just

 omitting configurations for A  D, I don't know how this will work.
 You may need to choose pattern 6 or 8 (the actual phase excitation
 will be the same with either in your situation). These are the
 patterns that output the full 4 combinations on just two pins.

 3. I have developed my Gcode files with CNCSimulatorPro but I found
 out that LCNC cannot read these even though I have saved them as
 .ngc.
 What do they look like? How does LinuxCNC fail to read them?


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Re: [Emc-users] Lathe Configuration help

2014-04-06 Thread Marius Liebenberg
You remove the axis section out of the ini but you do this
Under [TRAJ] section
AXIS = 3
COORDINATES = X Z

Then you will have
[AXIS_0]
tralala

[AXIS_2]
tralala

Note that the Z is still AXIS_2


On 2014-04-06 06:17, Howard Mearns wrote:
 I need some clarification on lathe setup.  The integrator manual seems to 
 indicate that I should remove the [axis_1] section. Some older posts say that 
 I will have to make a dummy 'y' axis.
   
 I worked on ini/hal bugs/learning curve until I got Axis to appear without 
 crashing setup just as a mill.  I then went to the lathe configuration 
 section of the integrators manual and did as instructed. (g 18, , lathe=1, 
 remove [axis 1].)  Now it crashes and gives me an error that the axis 2 
 enable out pin does not exist. (What does axis 2 have to do with axis 1?)
   
 Does removing the y axis mean that axis 1 is now the z axis?
   
 Thank you,
 Howard
   
 Project lathe particulars:
 Wasino L5-J2 circa 1986
 12 position turret (behind spindle centerline)
 DC Fanuc spindle control
 Fanuc 3T yellow cap servos and drives
 Mesa 5i25,7i77 (I have 5v and field power applied with flashing green light 
 when Axis opens successfully)
 EMC 2.5
 Jitter 10k to 15k ns
 Started from John Thornton's sample configuration files
   
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Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc stepper mill configuration

2014-04-06 Thread Marius Liebenberg
I thought that was exactly what I explained. Make me think of Eric 
Clapton - I must be invisible :)

On 2014-04-06 16:21, andy pugh wrote:
 On 6 April 2014 14:14, Bill Brettle billbret...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've worked hard at my .ini and Hal but can't get rid of that error.
 The problem is still there and still the same cause.

 You have:
 setp parport.0.pin-01-out-invert

 You should have:
 setp parport.0.pin-01-out-invert 1

 or, if you prefer:
 setp parport.0.pin-01-out-invert true

 setp takes two arguments means that a setp command needs to know
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[Emc-users] BBB, CRAMPS and HDMI

2014-04-06 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Hi
Is it possible to use the HDMI when the BBB is fitted with a CRAMPS cape?

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Re: [Emc-users] Gmoccapy Screen Artifact and Soft Limit Question

2014-04-07 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Matt
You have to look at the [TRAJ] section of the ini file and change the 
entry MAX_LINEAR_VELOCITY = xxx to MAX_VELOCITY = xxx

Did you have a look at the wiki for Gmoccapy regarding the soft Limit? I 
cannot help with that as I have not tested it yet but if it is not in 
the wiki, Norbert will answer.


On 2014-04-07 21:25, Matt Shaver wrote:
 I'm working with gmoccapy and there is a _long_ number displayed in the
 Tool information area of the screen. See: http://imagebin.org/304304
 Anyone have an idea of what this could be? It doesn't happen when I run
 sim/gmoccapy, so it must be something in my configuration, but I'd love
 a clue :)

 Also, I'd like to use the soft limit modification feature to avoid a
 rack type tool changer that is mounted inside the work envelope, but
 I'm not clear on how you activate that feature. Do I just change the
 value of gmoccapy.limit-value and this is processed automatically? How
 does gmoccapy change this parameter, which is usually set in the .ini
 file and not changed during operation.

 Thanks,
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Re: [Emc-users] Gmoccapy Screen Artifact and Soft Limit Question

2014-04-07 Thread Marius Liebenberg

On 2014-04-08 00:00, Matt Shaver wrote:
 On Mon, 07 Apr 2014 22:30:03 +0200
 Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote:

 You have to look at the [TRAJ] section of the ini file and change the
 entry MAX_LINEAR_VELOCITY = xxx to MAX_VELOCITY = xxx
 THANKS! This fixed the screen artifact problem!
 Did you have a look at the wiki for Gmoccapy regarding the soft
 Limit? I cannot help with that as I have not tested it yet but if it
 is not in the wiki, Norbert will answer.
 I've been playing with it, and changes to the value of
 gmoccapy.limit-value take effect immediately, so that's how I'm going
 to make it work.
I gather that you discovered the pin that you have to use to enable the 
soft limit feature?

 Thanks again for the help!

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Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc stepper mill configuration

2014-04-13 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Hi Bill
Please dont apologize for asking questions. Were here to help you man. I 
was not offended at all.
You are falling into a trap that many people seem to do when working 
with a new setup. I have a golden rule that says - One thing at a time
Change and fix one thing at a time and start with the most obvious 
problem. Always measure the result of your change. And dont move on 
until you have found an answer for that particular problem.
Oh and you know the definition of insanity - doing the same thing over 
and over and expecting a different result every time.

Use the Show Hal Configuration function under the machine menu to look 
at the physical condition of the limit inputs to make sure that they are 
in the correct startup condition that you expected. Put a watch on them 
and change the switches on by one to see that they all do as you 
expected. Unless you have a lot of noise on your system, the debounce is 
normally not required.


On 2014-04-13 05:41, Bill Brettle wrote:
 Sorry Marius,

 I did read your message and I thought I had tried it together with a
 multitude of other configs, but I must have either missed it put a typo in
 the line somewhere, anyhow, my sincere apologies.

 I thought I had it then I found I had some wiring problems (as Gene
 said)(LM7805 and LM7905 are different). Between fixing these and helping
 look after my 5yr old Grandson who is on school vacation, I haven't
 achieved much.

 Yesterday I finally got LCNC connected to my mill and immediately received
 messages *joint 0 limit switch X.*

 I googled this and found that the problem was BOUNCE and I needed to run a
 debounce commands. I found two methods (see debounce file). The first
 was to be included in custom.hal which I did and received an error message
 parport.0.pin-10-in already exists

 I deleted this and added the second method to BillsMill.hal this time I got
 the LINUXCNC ERROR attached. Now I'm bushed, Where do I go from here?

 Incidentally, what to I do with the other items in the Debug file
 information?

 Sorry to be such a pest.

 Regards Bill


 On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 12:27 AM, Marius Liebenberg
 mar...@mastercut.co.zawrote:

 I thought that was exactly what I explained. Make me think of Eric
 Clapton - I must be invisible :)

 On 2014-04-06 16:21, andy pugh wrote:
 On 6 April 2014 14:14, Bill Brettle billbret...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've worked hard at my .ini and Hal but can't get rid of that error.
 The problem is still there and still the same cause.

 You have:
 setp parport.0.pin-01-out-invert

 You should have:
 setp parport.0.pin-01-out-invert 1

 or, if you prefer:
 setp parport.0.pin-01-out-invert true

 setp takes two arguments means that a setp command needs to know
 which pin to set _and_ what value to set it to.

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Re: [Emc-users] Tool Shape

2014-04-21 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Whats wrong with a file based tool table. It is easier for the layman to 
maintain offline as well.

On 2014-04-21 11:37, andy pugh wrote:
 On 21 April 2014 10:10, Mark Wendt wendt.m...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ugh.  Stay away from SQLite.  That's a one-user, build it in your home
 directory, terribly slow, resource hog.  MySQL or PostgreSQL are much
 better databases.  You can optimize them much easier and better,
 It's a tool table. Just how big and busy do you anticipate it getting?


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Re: [Emc-users] Tool Shape

2014-04-21 Thread Marius Liebenberg
I understand now. I have to agree with you that the SQlite option will 
be the least resource intensive thing to use.
I used to use a file based RDBS a long time ago that was very easy to 
implement with a very small footprint, but I cannot seem to find any 
reference to it anywhere.


On 2014-04-21 17:37, andy pugh wrote:
 On 21 April 2014 11:33, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote:
 Whats wrong with a file based tool table. It is easier for the layman to
 maintain offline as well.
 A simple flat file has to make assumptions about what data can be
 stored. Specifically it would have to make assumptions about how many
 offsets each tool was allowed to have, for example.

 The relational database approach allows one tool to have many offsets,
 one pocket to contain many tools (and, conversely. one tool to appear
 in many pockets) and so on.

 In most cases it will look exactly the same in tooledit (or whatever
 replaces tooledit). But if Kirk wanted to add a nose-radius tag to the
 geometry table, he can easily do that without breaking anything else.


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Re: [Emc-users] Tool Shape

2014-04-21 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Andy
Have a look at this work. Maybe a good solution.
https://github.com/bitsnbytes7c8/MegatronDB

On 2014-04-21 17:37, andy pugh wrote:
 On 21 April 2014 11:33, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote:
 Whats wrong with a file based tool table. It is easier for the layman to
 maintain offline as well.
 A simple flat file has to make assumptions about what data can be
 stored. Specifically it would have to make assumptions about how many
 offsets each tool was allowed to have, for example.

 The relational database approach allows one tool to have many offsets,
 one pocket to contain many tools (and, conversely. one tool to appear
 in many pockets) and so on.

 In most cases it will look exactly the same in tooledit (or whatever
 replaces tooledit). But if Kirk wanted to add a nose-radius tag to the
 geometry table, he can easily do that without breaking anything else.


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Re: [Emc-users] some questions to the addi(c)tive manufacturers

2014-04-23 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Bas
I have been following you posts on the temp control problem. I just 
though, why dont you sense the temp with an external device and then use 
a component to control the temperature. You could even use the pid 
component together with your own component. You could also sync the 
control with the gcode. Use the spindle speed as the temp setting and do 
the rest yourself. I would have done it this way.

This problem is similar to the THC function required for plasma cutting. 
We do it this way.


On 2014-04-23 15:11, Bas de Bruijn wrote:
 Hi Guys,

 Here’s me nagging again about temperature, M106, M109, fan control etcetera.
 I’d like to know from you if/how you want to proceed with Additive 
 Manufacturing and Machinekit.

 I’m running my Delta style machine with Machinekit and BeBoPr-Bridge, 
 printing happily, no problems there.
 However I come to the feeling (seeing some replies) that configuring the 
 machine could be better/more natural if doing the following:

 [1]
 The extruder temperature is controlled like an axis. Like a spindle but 
 setting temperature instead of rpm.
 Would it not be very easy to change temperature when printing? like spindle 
 override. Thus no setting of M104 P105 to get to the temperature, but with M4 
 S205 (http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/m-code.html#sec:M3-M4-M5)

 [1.a]
 I don’t have 2 extruders (yet) but changing between 2 extruders would mean 
 switching tools I think, correct me if i’m wrong here please.

 [2]
 Same goes for the fan speed. Alexander Rössler already uses his fan as an 
 axis.

 [3]
 If the extruder (stepper)motor itself (not the temperature) is being 
 controlled by speed (synchronised with the speed of the combined xyz motion, 
 got the X-motion one from Andy, added Y and Z because that would be needed) 
 instead of position, would it then not be very easy to change the flowrate 
 during motion? Meaning instead of positions of the A-axis the input in the 
 G-code would be the thickness of the extrudate (extruded line width). 
 http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/examples/spindle.html#sec:Spindle-Synchronized-Motion
 [3.1] the g-codes then would consist of points (xyz) and before that the 
 thickness has to be set.
 [3.2] no clue how I would do a retract between area’s though

 all of the above would mean that the output from the slicing software would 
 have to be different than the reprap-style based output (with all the 
 magnificent slicing softwares there).

 Are these things above realistic, possibly even fundamentally wrong and/or 
 would it benefit you? Or do you say: “get your hands of my configured machine 
 setup and don’t touch my workflow!”.
 I mean, no need to fix something that isn’t broken, right?

 feel free to shout at me like “Yes, that’s what I want” or “No Don’t do that 
 (wiggling your finger angry at me)!

 Bas
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Re: [Emc-users] standardizingtool table entries

2014-04-24 Thread Marius Liebenberg

On 2014-04-24 14:56, andy pugh wrote:
 On 24 April 2014 13:43, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote:

 Thanks.  Unfortunately, the butt end of those holders, with one 12mm
 exception on page 65, are all too big for my QC holders.
 They are also rather expensive.
 However, you have a milling machine. And I have the G-code to carve
 the socket in a suitable piece of material.

 I also note that 99% of the inserts are through coolant, something I am not
 equipt to handle.
 It's a nice feature, and the coolant feeds in from the end of the
 holder thorugh a drilling.
 However, I use the Horn boring tools quite extensively and actually
 have no coolant at all on my lathe. (I need you to make that round
 toit press).

Andy, do you use any other of their tools at all? I had a look at then 
today and we can get some locally. My lathe is getting along and I will 
need to decide on tools soon before I manufacture the tool changer.



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Re: [Emc-users] Homing with index and bldc in qi mode - a bug?

2014-04-29 Thread Marius Liebenberg
It looks like it does as it is supposed to do. If that is only an enable 
signal it can be written all the time. If it was initialized correctly 
and then set by the hal config there should not be a problem with that line.

On 2014-04-30 06:17, propcoder wrote:
 I think this is the line in src/emc/motion/control.c where bad thing
 happens:

 /* write to HAL pins */
 
   *(joint_data-index_enable) = joint-index_enable;

 It writes to IO hal pin no matter what. I think it should check if
 joint-index_enable was changed and only then write / change HAL pin.


 Lines from my hal file:

 ...
 net x.index [HM2](BRD)encoder.00.index-enable  # axis.0.index-enable !!!
 ...
 net x.index pid.x.index-enable
 ...
 net bldc-init = bldc.0.init
 net x.init-done bldc.0.init-done = and-all-inited.in-00

 net x.index bldc.0.index-enable
 ...


 On 04/30/2014 01:17 AM, andy pugh wrote:
 On 29 April 2014 21:43, Marius Alksnys marius.alks...@gmail.com wrote:

 I checked the code and found that axis.n.index-enable IO pin is set at
 every servo(?) period no matter it should be changed or not
 That's interesting. I can't see why that would be, as it would tend to
 mean that an encoder could never work for axis position...

 Can you show me the relevant bit of HAL?

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Re: [Emc-users] Homing with index and bldc in qi mode - a bug?

2014-04-30 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Are you saying that it goes high during the cycle somewhere and then low 
again after every sequence or Low - high-low after the sequence. You may 
have to do a comp to time that out or ignore it if some other conditions 
are still met.

On 2014-04-30 09:39, Marius Alksnys wrote:
 It is index enable signal. But bldc.init stops its init sequence after
 axis.n.index-enable turns this signal low and it does this every single
 period!

 And I can think of more cases where index-enable could be used, but it
 would not be possible when it is connected to axis.n.index-enable.

 On 04/30/2014 08:00 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 It looks like it does as it is supposed to do. If that is only an enable
 signal it can be written all the time. If it was initialized correctly
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Re: [Emc-users] final testing of the new TP

2014-05-01 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Sam does this mean that the rotary axis are also working now?

On 2014-05-01 16:56, sam sokolik wrote:
 btw - some extensive 3 axis testing...

 http://imagebin.org/306685

 and some 4 axis testing..

 http://imagebin.org/307118
 http://imagebin.org/307124 yes - 5+ hours run time...


 On 05/01/2014 09:48 AM, sam sokolik wrote:
 So - I think most all know bugs have been squashed by rob (awesome work!)

 I want to test all 9 axis to just make sure that nothing got broken.
 (right now only XYZA have really been tested)

 http://imagebin.org/308482

 I need some gcode to run.  The easiest to start with would be to edit
 the torture.py to add BCUVW.  I though have looked at it a few times now
 and with no python experience really don't think I can do it.

 So - if others want to take up the challenge - or have some 9 axis gcode
 they could share...

 thanks
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Re: [Emc-users] final testing of the new TP

2014-05-01 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Yeah and we love him for it :)
On 2014-05-01 18:02, sam sokolik wrote:
 That should have read ABCUVW

 Rob has talked about working on circular arc blending for all axis - but
 will require a bit effort as cannon (? I think) needs a bunch of work.
 He did mention it would take a few weeks...  Any one else I would roll
 my eyes - but rob is a motion control ninja..

 sam
 On 5/1/2014 10:53 AM, sam sokolik wrote:
 No - rotary's (well ABCUXW axis) fall back to parabolic blending. (1
 segment lookahead)

 Currently circular arc blending is working for XYZ

 sam

 On 5/1/2014 10:47 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Sam does this mean that the rotary axis are also working now?

 On 2014-05-01 16:56, sam sokolik wrote:
 btw - some extensive 3 axis testing...

 http://imagebin.org/306685

 and some 4 axis testing..

 http://imagebin.org/307118
 http://imagebin.org/307124 yes - 5+ hours run time...


 On 05/01/2014 09:48 AM, sam sokolik wrote:
 So - I think most all know bugs have been squashed by rob (awesome work!)

 I want to test all 9 axis to just make sure that nothing got broken.
 (right now only XYZA have really been tested)

 http://imagebin.org/308482

 I need some gcode to run.  The easiest to start with would be to edit
 the torture.py to add BCUVW.  I though have looked at it a few times now
 and with no python experience really don't think I can do it.

 So - if others want to take up the challenge - or have some 9 axis gcode
 they could share...

 thanks
 sam

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Re: [Emc-users] Spindle Encoder with Parport

2014-05-12 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Thanks Andy.

On 2014-05-12 16:57, andy pugh wrote:
 On 12 May 2014 15:48, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote:
 Will it be possible for me to read an encoder signal on my lathe spindle
 with a normal parport input. I will fit a Hall effect Sensor or an
 Interrupted light source signal. The max RMP will be 2000 and I might
 have 10 slots or more.
 Depending on the base thread rate, the answer is probably.

 2000 rpm = 33Hz, x 10 edges = 330Hz. That's comfortably within the
 range of a parallel port, even with two sensors and quadrature.


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Re: [Emc-users] Feed control

2014-05-13 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Just a small word of warning here. I did the analog input thing with the 
Arduino. There is code on the wiki that already works well. BUT the 
usb route is not reliable for critical applications. Due to the fact 
that the usb is not hot pluggable, it will disappear from the devices 
list with any small hiccup or loss of connection. This happens 
frequently where inductive machines/loads are present. Normally the 
connection will be restored automatically but with linuxcnc it is gone 
once dropped. You have to restart the controller.

I am busy with a IO expander for the parport and instead of using the 
usb like before, I am using three pins and writing a i2c interface to 
communicate with the devices.

Kirk Wallace has done a circuit and driver code for an AToD and DAC 
board. These are also on the wiki but if you cannot find it let me know 
and I will hunt the link down again.


On 2014-05-13 10:31, a k wrote:
 hi
 with  Arduino Nano i can use USB to access EMC2 and control feed?
 is this right?
 thanks
 aram


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 Can i use USB to go directly into EMC2 architect and control feed
 or i need use some axis analog input?
 I have just realised that an Arduino Nano is about $6. Those have 4
 analogue 0-5V inputs, and there is a HAL module to interface with them
 via USB.
 (Or, alternatively, you could make one output pulses for an encoder
 counter if you really needed proper realtime response).

 http://emergent.unpythonic.net/01198594294

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Re: [Emc-users] Feed control

2014-05-13 Thread Marius Liebenberg

On 2014-05-13 14:41, andy pugh wrote:
 On 13 May 2014 13:09, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote:
 Just a small word of warning here. I did the analog input thing with the
 Arduino. There is code on the wiki that already works well. BUT the
 usb route is not reliable for critical applications. Due to the fact
 that the usb is not hot pluggable, it will disappear from the devices
 list with any small hiccup or loss of connection.
 In that case the idea of using the analogue inputs to drive a
 frequency output into an encoder channel is probably more robust.

 it is nearly as simple as

 void setup(){
 pinMode(0, OUTPUT);
 }

 void loop(){
 float v;
 v = analogRead(0);
 tone(0,v); // Output the square-wave on pin 0 1024 HZ = 5V
 }

Yes and then just do a lowpass filter with a rc on the input of an opamp 
(voltage follower) to get a nice smooth dc voltage that is controlled by 
the PWM. Oh I just noticed you suggested a tone. In that case use a 555 
to do FTV (frequency to voltage) converter. Just as easy. Many circuits 
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Re: [Emc-users] Feed control

2014-05-13 Thread Marius Liebenberg
I get it now sorry. Then again use a pwm to make and anolog voltage. 
Then use a comparator to measure the input voltage compared to the pwm 
voltage. You ramp it up until the output pin that is connected to a hal 
pin is tripped. The pwm value can be translated to an analog value.
Or make use of a i2c ATD as I mentioned before. There is a complete 
solution done already by Kirk Wallace. Try here

http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/EMC2/serial_adc/


On 2014-05-13 17:24, andy pugh wrote:
 On 13 May 2014 13:51, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote:

 Yes and then just do a lowpass filter with a rc on the input of an opamp
 (voltage follower) to get a nice smooth dc voltage that is controlled by
 the PWM.
 No, this is a solution to the inverse problem, analogue voltage _into_
 LinuxCNC HAL.


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Re: [Emc-users] Feed control

2014-05-13 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Yes sorry man its rather very old way of doing it. The poor man's ATD 
from the days when ATD's were very costly. I think it was called 
successive approximation or the likes. You had a resistive ladder or 
summing circuit that was charged by means of a digital pin connected to 
every resistor.
You would count up until the comparator tripped and the count would 
equal the voltage that you wanted to measure.
The kids are spoiled these days :)

On 2014-05-13 19:08, andy pugh wrote:
 On 13 May 2014 17:56, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote:
 Then again use a pwm to make and anolog voltage.
 Then use a comparator to measure the input voltage compared to the pwm
 voltage. You ramp it up until the output pin that is connected to a hal
 pin is tripped
 I invented that idea a couple of years ago. Clearly not for the first time.

 One day I _will_ invent something first :-)


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Re: [Emc-users] Feed control

2014-05-13 Thread Marius Liebenberg

On 2014-05-13 20:24, andy pugh wrote:
 On 13 May 2014 19:13, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote:

 You would count up until the comparator tripped and the count would
 equal the voltage that you wanted to measure.
 The kids are spoiled these days :)
 From that point on, of course, the pwm duty cycle just need to
 increase if the comparator is not tripped and decrease if it is
 tripped to track the state of the knob.
Correct. It will have to have a small bit of hysteresis  to stop it from 
hunting but that could be a parameter for the component. Maybe also a 
sweep window that can be enlarged a little bit at a time if the signal 
is not found inside of the window. Until it is found again and then you 
shrink the sweep window again. Or else if you have lost track of the 
signal, just sweep again from zero.

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Re: [Emc-users] Feed control

2014-05-18 Thread Marius Liebenberg
You must look at the integrators manual and look at the HAL components 
that are available. You dont have to know C just how to read. You will 
find all you need in the manuals.
Find the encoder component not the hostmot stuff. Use man encoder.

You will need some electronics that turn your 5v into some form of 
digital value that can be translated to a value in the software. As you 
only have a parallel port you will have to turn the voltage into a 
frequency. Then you use the parport pin that is connected to the encoder 
component in the HAL file to connect your signal to the feed value.

All of this has been told to you before and the only way you are going 
to get this done is to learn a bit about setting up of Linuxcnc.

Now I have given you the solution, you must go and try it. If you have 
problems trying, we will all be willing to help you.

One last thing,please update your software as support for the old stuff 
is no longer available as we have all moved on to the latest production 
release. See how to do this by looking at the wiki pages for updating 
linuxcnc.

Good luck. :)

On 2014-05-18 11:31, a k wrote:
 not sure about -- yes i did assemble system on emc2 2008.
 yes it working system.
 i am not software engineer. i do not know how to configure software. i do
 not know C or C++ .
 to build emc2 working 3 axis system one does not need any software
 ---configureknowledge-experience.
 is there manual about - step by stem how assemble system - make change in
 software -- to get final result --- use 0 +5C to control change feed ?

 ///
 i look at this link -
 http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/man/man9/hostmot2.9.html#encoder

 how to get page where need make change  on my computer?
 what change do i need do?





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 On 17 May 2014 22:32, a k pccncmach...@gmail.com wrote:
 those CD disk was mark --- emc2.24  8.04  2008
 many people from the list know what on those disk better than i do.
 i load those software - from that disk-- did tune up my ac servo motor ,
 wired my limit home switches and that is all.

 I find it strange that you seem to have been using LinuxCNC since 2008
 and you still don't seem to know how to configure it.

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Re: [Emc-users] Feed control

2014-05-18 Thread Marius Liebenberg

On 2014-05-18 13:29, andy pugh wrote:
 On 18 May 2014 12:06, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote:
 Find the encoder component not the hostmot stuff. Use man encoder.
 He is using a 7i33, so the hostmot2 one is the correct one.

Sorry my bad, Solution is still the same I think. Does the 7i33 have an 
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Re: [Emc-users] 5i25_7i77x2

2014-05-18 Thread Marius Liebenberg
No it means that it can have two 7i77 cards connected. You can change 
the firmware to other configurations if you require.

On 2014-05-19 06:32, Konstantin Navrockiy wrote:
 We have a board 5i25  with firmware 5i25_7i77x2.
 Can only work one board 7i77 at connector P2?

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Re: [Emc-users] Quiet day, good time for a homing question?

2014-05-23 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Andy
Do you suggest then that the X is homed as far out as possible and the Z 
is homed as near to the chuck as possible?

On 2014-05-22 19:57, andy pugh wrote:
 On 22 May 2014 18:45, Sebastian Kuzminsky s...@highlab.com wrote:
 I've never set up or run a CNC lathe, but i think i'd want to home Z
 away from the chunk, it seems less prone to crashes.
 If you wind X out all the way that is normally unlikely.
 Conversely, if you have work set up on a tailstock centre or fixed
 steady then you have to remove it all to home the other direction.


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Re: [Emc-users] technology

2014-06-01 Thread Marius Liebenberg
You can install the stand alone desktop version on any of the Windows 
platforms. I dont use the Windows 8 integrated Skype. I installed the 
desktop version and that works very well.

On 2014-05-31 23:54, a k wrote:
 yes i used skype on XP (i have XP) 2 month ago.
 after that it give error and say need use window 7 or 8.
 skype is part of Microsoft - so it wants to more people move to window 8 -
 i can understand that business startegy.
 gmail is free and easy to use.


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 On 05/31/2014 04:00 PM, a k wrote:
 about skype -- it is bad. because skype works only on windows 8
 Hmmm?  I've used Skype on Linux for quite some time.  I have
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[Emc-users] CAD/CAM question

2014-06-03 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Has anyone here used Dolphin Cad Cam software (Partmaster)? Especially 
the lathe module.
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[Emc-users] Lathe touch off

2014-06-04 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Hi all
I am fairly new to using a cnc lathe and I need some guidance with touch 
off procedures. I am busy with a turret changer but for now I only have 
a QC tool post with a limited number of holders so I have to re-tool in 
the middle of a job.
I have homing switches on both axis.

1: With no touch probe how do I do a job that requires a tool change 
that does not have fixed holders while the stock is in the chuck.
2: How do I get the tool set to the Z zero line accurately?

How do the regular users do this please? All help is greatly appreciated :)


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Re: [Emc-users] Lathe touch off

2014-06-04 Thread Marius Liebenberg

On 2014-06-04 10:49, andy pugh wrote:
 On 4 June 2014 08:17, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote:

 How do the regular users do this please? All help is greatly appreciated :)
 If you are changing tools mid-job then each tool that you are going to
 use needs to be in a holder.
 If you need to move tools between holders, then you will find it
 easier to split the job.

I will have to do this, no choice.
 I have a turning and facing tool that is designated as tool1 and that
 always has zero in the offsets.
 Using the Axis interface it is a bit too easy to mistakenly touch off
 an axis when you meant to touch off a tool, and vice-versa. If I
 accidentally put a tool offset in tool 1 then G10 L1 P1 Z0 X0 recovers
 the situation.

 I generally jog the tool up close to the work, touch-off the current
 position to (for example) 0.5mm in the current coordinate system, then
 face-off to Z = 0.

 I then take a test cut, measure with a micrometer, and touch-off the X
 to the measured diameter.
That answers my question exactly.

 That is normally enough, as my other tools have all been set up
 relative to Tool 1 previously. But if not, then the process is
 repeated for the other tools, but touching-off into the tool, not
 axis, offsets.

 If my home switch was more repeatable then stage 1 would be a one-time
 thing too.

 For boring bars I set the Z=0 using a broken 6mm milling cutter rather
 than with a test cut. Put the tip less than 6mm from the reference
 face, hold the milling cutter in the gap, and slowly jog away from the
 work until the cutter pops through the gap (much safer than jogging
 _on_ to a test block)

 if your QC toolpost isn't very repeatable then you might need to swap
 parts rather than tools.
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Re: [Emc-users] Lathe touch off

2014-06-04 Thread Marius Liebenberg

On 2014-06-04 13:10, John Thornton wrote:
 I use a dowel to touch off to the face of my spindle using the same
 method as Andy, move the tool closer than the diameter of the dowel then
 put the dowel between and jog out using 0.001 increments. And like Andy
 when the dowel falls through I touch off the tool not the material. For
 X I use the dowel to get close then do a test cut and measure then put
 that into the touch off entry. Once my turret is set up I chuck the
 material up and using my facing/turning tool I touch off to the material
 using the dowel method and the convenient touch off to material button
 that I added to my pyvcp panel.
So for the boring bar I can put an old rotary tool in the chuck and 
bring the bar from behind. I then lay the dowel between the the two 
tolls and jog away. The touch off will be that position less the 
diameter of the two tools. Do I have this correct?

 http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/g-code/gen05.html

 I also have some pyvcp buttons for touch off so I don't accidentally
 touch off to the wrong thing and screw up my offsets.

 http://gnipsel.com/shop/hardinge/hardinge.xhtml

 JT

 On 6/4/2014 2:17 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Hi all
 I am fairly new to using a cnc lathe and I need some guidance with touch
 off procedures. I am busy with a turret changer but for now I only have
 a QC tool post with a limited number of holders so I have to re-tool in
 the middle of a job.
 I have homing switches on both axis.

 1: With no touch probe how do I do a job that requires a tool change
 that does not have fixed holders while the stock is in the chuck.
 2: How do I get the tool set to the Z zero line accurately?

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Re: [Emc-users] Lathe touch off

2014-06-05 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Would you say it is better to always work in any one of the modes? I 
mean Radius or Diameter?

On 2014-06-05 12:33, John Thornton wrote:
 On X you can get confused if you forget what mode your in. For diameter
 mode it is 2 x the dowel + the diameter of the object in the chuck. For
 radius mode it is the diameter of the dowel + 1/2 the diameter of the
 object in the chuck.

 JT

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 So for the boring bar I can put an old rotary tool in the chuck and
 bring the bar from behind. I then lay the dowel between the the two
 tolls and jog away. The touch off will be that position less the
 diameter of the two tools. Do I have this correct?

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Re: [Emc-users] Lathe touch off

2014-06-06 Thread Marius Liebenberg

On 2014-06-06 08:09, Steve Blackmore wrote:
 On Thu, 5 Jun 2014 18:37:07 +0100, you wrote:

 On 5 June 2014 18:14, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote:
 Would you say it is better to always work in any one of the modes? I
 mean Radius or Diameter?
 I always work in diameter, except when trying to programme arcs
 I was taught to work in Radius mode, but changed to Diameter mode as
 that is the norm most places and is much more convenient when measuring
 parts.

 An offset of 1mm will take 2mm off the diameter of the work - same as on
 a manual lathe.

 Only thing to remember is offsets should always be absolute
 measurements. Tool offsets and touch should be taken care of
 internally by the controller.

 As for arcs - I always use CAM so never thought about it and it could
 catch you out.

What CAM do you use for lathe Steve?

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Re: [Emc-users] Lathe touch off

2014-06-06 Thread Marius Liebenberg
I intend to do that as well. Did you check out the Gladevcp add-on that 
Nick did
http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/40-subroutines-and-ngcgui/26578-linuxcnc-features-a-kind-of-ngcgui

I have it loaded but not working all the way yet but it looks to be a 
great tool for lathe especially.


On 2014-06-06 13:33, John Thornton wrote:
 I do 98% of my lathe work with ngcgui subroutines, having said that when
 hand programming arcs I use radius mode.

 JT

 On 6/5/2014 12:14 PM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Would you say it is better to always work in any one of the modes? I
 mean Radius or Diameter?

 On 2014-06-05 12:33, John Thornton wrote:
 On X you can get confused if you forget what mode your in. For diameter
 mode it is 2 x the dowel + the diameter of the object in the chuck. For
 radius mode it is the diameter of the dowel + 1/2 the diameter of the
 object in the chuck.

 JT

 On 6/4/2014 8:08 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 So for the boring bar I can put an old rotary tool in the chuck and
 bring the bar from behind. I then lay the dowel between the the two
 tolls and jog away. The touch off will be that position less the
 diameter of the two tools. Do I have this correct?

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Re: [Emc-users] Lathe touch off

2014-06-06 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Ngcgui is also good for me but I like how Nick's program strings a lot 
of commands together with some degree of programmability on the fly.

On 2014-06-06 17:14, John Thornton wrote:
 I gave it a curious look but ngcgui works for me so I'm reluctant to change.

 JT

 On 6/6/2014 7:36 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 I intend to do that as well. Did you check out the Gladevcp add-on that
 Nick did
 http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/40-subroutines-and-ngcgui/26578-linuxcnc-features-a-kind-of-ngcgui

 I have it loaded but not working all the way yet but it looks to be a
 great tool for lathe especially.


 On 2014-06-06 13:33, John Thornton wrote:
 I do 98% of my lathe work with ngcgui subroutines, having said that when
 hand programming arcs I use radius mode.

 JT

 On 6/5/2014 12:14 PM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Would you say it is better to always work in any one of the modes? I
 mean Radius or Diameter?

 On 2014-06-05 12:33, John Thornton wrote:
 On X you can get confused if you forget what mode your in. For diameter
 mode it is 2 x the dowel + the diameter of the object in the chuck. For
 radius mode it is the diameter of the dowel + 1/2 the diameter of the
 object in the chuck.

 JT

 On 6/4/2014 8:08 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 So for the boring bar I can put an old rotary tool in the chuck and
 bring the bar from behind. I then lay the dowel between the the two
 tolls and jog away. The touch off will be that position less the
 diameter of the two tools. Do I have this correct?

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Re: [Emc-users] In the Skip

2014-06-09 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Why are they in the skip? Save them :)

On 2014-06-09 13:45, andy pugh wrote:
 At work, in the waste electrical equipment skip is at least one, possibly
 two Sinumerik controllers, and 4 x 20kW brushless servo amps (SA200 -
 http://www.motioncontrol.org/sa500.html )

 Seems a terrible waste.


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Re: [Emc-users] In the Skip

2014-06-09 Thread Marius Liebenberg
When I was still in the corporate world we used to put all the obsolete 
stuff on auction once a year and the employees could bid on them. What 
was left over (usually almost nothing) was then send for scrapping.

On 2014-06-09 16:50, John Alexander Stewart wrote:
 Where I work, you can get charged with theft if you take things from
 dumpsters (skips), and, as a clean record is required for a security
 clearance which is required for the job...

 we've had a cleanup of some very interesting labs; lots of neat equipment
 has gone to scrap, resell, or just who knows where.

 The 3rd country to launch a satellite had the satellite built in the
 basement of the building I'm currently in, so lots of interesting stuff has
 been through the doors here.
 ​
 Oh well; to tell you the truth, I think modern electronics is 1000x better
 than older stuff, but that's just my point of view.
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Re: [Emc-users] New toy (4'X8' Router) for conversion

2014-06-10 Thread Marius Liebenberg
You have to love these guys for all the metal they put into these 
machines. I have done several conversion of these kind of machines to 
lcnc and mach3. You can have a very close look at the drivers as I have 
found many of them not worth the space that they occupy. I normally 
through them out and get something better. Wantai or Gecko drives. I 
also replace the breakout board.

On 2014-06-10 18:56, Chris Kelley wrote:
 Here at the Labs we recently bought a Chinese 4'X8' CNC router (
 http://www.signstech.com/ProductShow.asp?ID=448) to replace the painfully
 slow, and awkwardly sized, 3'X5' router that was built years ago by one of
 our members.

 After removing it from the joke of a crate it was shipped in and noting the
 inevitable shipping damage (fortunately all cosmetic) we got it hooked up
 and running, jogging around at least.

 The software it came with is called NCstudio and, let me tell you, it is
 horrifying.  Aside from only running under windows, calling the layout and
 translation 'bad' would be much like calling the current state of the
 Titanic 'wet'. Also, while it will let you input a G20 (inch mode) command
 without an error, it will proceed to execute all subsequent code as
 millimetres.

 Anyway, we had planned on converting it to LCNC when we ordered it and the
 new Mesa hardware just arrived yesterday (5i25 and 7i76).

 Pic of the machine is attached.

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[Emc-users] Gscreen - Origin functions

2014-06-12 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Can someone please explain to me how the Zero Origin and Offset 
Origin in Gscreen works? Or how it is intended to work at least.

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