[Emc-users] Electronics failing in cold weather?

2011-12-26 Thread Igor Chudov
I had, recently, a couple of instances of electronics failing, seemingly,
from cold weather.

1. Netgear GS-108 8 port gigabit switch failed when I left on vacation and
let the house cool to 52 degrees F.

2. Saitek USB joystick on my CNC mill failed when the garage cooled to,
perhaps, 40 degrees F.

I am wondering, what specifically could possibly account for those
failures, what mechanism. Thanks.
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Re: [Emc-users] Electronics failing in cold weather?

2011-12-26 Thread Mag. Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
Am Montag, 26. Dezember 2011 schrieb Igor Chudov:
 I had, recently, a couple of instances of electronics failing, seemingly,
 from cold weather.

 1. Netgear GS-108 8 port gigabit switch failed when I left on vacation and
 let the house cool to 52 degrees F.

 2. Saitek USB joystick on my CNC mill failed when the garage cooled to,
 perhaps, 40 degrees F.

 I am wondering, what specifically could possibly account for those
 failures, what mechanism. Thanks.

electrolytic capacitor usually fail when temperatures get near their lower 
temperature specs, which happens to be 0°C for most consumer products. In 
consequence the nominal capacity is not reached and the voltage converters 
fail.

Nik

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Re: [Emc-users] Electronics failing in cold weather?

2011-12-26 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, December 26, 2011 10:43:05 AM Igor Chudov did opine:

 I had, recently, a couple of instances of electronics failing,
 seemingly, from cold weather.
 
 1. Netgear GS-108 8 port gigabit switch failed when I left on vacation
 and let the house cool to 52 degrees F.
 
 2. Saitek USB joystick on my CNC mill failed when the garage cooled to,
 perhaps, 40 degrees F.

Electrolytic capacitors being used at a very small fraction of their 
labeled voltage rating will 'deform' and lose capacitance, and cold weather 
tends to exacerbate it, often because the pressure held internal 
connections to the foil fail at the same time.  They will generally exhibit 
a high 'ESR' (Equivalent Series Resistance) prior to that, which if there 
is enough current to warm the resistance, will exhibit It has to warm up 
for 10 minutes before it works right performance.  The heat will tighten 
the crimp and make a better connection.

Either one might also fail because a microscopic crack has formed around 
the lead of a part.  Re-warming all the soldered joints  adding a small 
amount of fresh rosin cored solder might help in that case.  I have one of 
those saikek game pads but haven't checked it for function in a while, I 
could not do sufficiently precise work with its teeny little joystick 
buttons.

 I am wondering, what specifically could possibly account for those
 failures, what mechanism. Thanks.

Those would be the 2 major failure mechanisms.  There are others, but 
stastistically an extremely rare occurrence in my 60+ years of experience.
That would make me check the capacitors in the netgear, and the solder 
joints in the joystick.

Also note that 99.99% of the capacitor 'testing' DVM's do not measure this 
ESR phenomenon, the single most important characteristic of a capacitor.

There is a guy, was in Omaha but could have moved, that makes a 'Capacitor 
Wizard', sells for $175 (when I bought one for the tv station 15 years 
ago), which does measure this.  It measures the resistance of the capacitor 
with a 100khz test signal of about 80 millivolts.  So it can do it in 
circuit, power off of course, without making a bad cap good again.  And 
with that low a signal level, any semiconductors are out of the circuit.

We have a 3 pound coffee can nearly full at the tv station, of teeny little 
surface mounted bad caps this thing has found, probably saving us $200,000 
in replacement PCB boards over the years since I bought it.

One place to see  buy it is:
   http://www.suburban-electronics.com/display/CAP1B/Capacitor-Wizard

Google will find other places too. Perhaps saving a few dollars.

But to put this in perspective, at its cost, the router  game pad can be 
replaced, with enough left over for a 12 pack.  ;)

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