Re: [Emc-users] Tida_TD-1336_lathe

[Kirk Wallace]

On 02/02/2017 08:42 AM, andy pugh wrote:
> On 2 February 2017 at 16:27, Kirk Wallace  wrote:
>>> Is there any makers name anywhere? The tailstock is rather
>>> distinctive, but you could spend a long time on lathes.co.uk looking
>>> for a match.
>>
>> I did a search for the "Samson td1336" on the control panel
>
> I was talking about the nice old lathe, not your useful one :-)

This one?
http://www.wallacecompany.com/old_lathe/left_side-1a.jpg
http://www.wallacecompany.com/old_lathe/dcp_6919-1a.jpg
http://www.wallacecompany.com/old_lathe/

I did a lot of cleaning and wire brushing, but haven't come across a 
makers mark yet. It's pretty poorly made so I'm thinking it's a 1940's 
cheap knock-off of a 1920's lathe, but I really don't know. The biggest 
problem with this project is the badly worn bed. It's not worth sending 
to the Bay Area to be reground. I'm going to have to become much more 
clever to figure out how to do it myself.


-- 
Kirk Wallace
http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/
http://www.wallacecompany.com/E45/

--
Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most
engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot
___
Emc-users mailing list
Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users

Re: [Emc-users] Tida_TD-1336_lathe

[andy pugh]

On 2 February 2017 at 16:27, Kirk Wallace  wrote:
>> Is there any makers name anywhere? The tailstock is rather
>> distinctive, but you could spend a long time on lathes.co.uk looking
>> for a match.
>
> I did a search for the "Samson td1336" on the control panel

I was talking about the nice old lathe, not your useful one :-)


-- 
atp
"A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is
designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and
lunatics."
— George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1916

--
Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most
engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot
___
Emc-users mailing list
Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users

Re: [Emc-users] Tida_TD-1336_lathe

[Kirk Wallace]

On 02/02/2017 02:50 AM, andy pugh wrote:
> On 2 February 2017 at 04:03, Kirk Wallace  wrote:
>> http://www.wallacecompany.com/old_lathe/
>
> Is there any makers name anywhere? The tailstock is rather
> distinctive, but you could spend a long time on lathes.co.uk looking
> for a match.

I did a search for the "Samson td1336" on the control panel and got a 
few hits for Tida. Then later found Tida on the cross slide handle.

> it ought to be relatively easy to press new (steel) gears on to
> replace the broken back-gears.

The back gears won't be needed. The motor will be changed out for a 
3-phase motor and VFD, so the step pulleys go away. The plan is to copy 
the HNC electric clutch system for high and low:
http://www.wallacecompany.com/cnc_lathe/HNC/00051-1a.jpg
http://www.wallacecompany.com/cnc_lathe/HNC/
so the back gears go away.

I'm also thinking about leaving space on the spindle shaft for a worm 
gear so that the spindle can be used for C axis or dividing.
http://www.lathes.co.uk/lorch/img92.jpg
http://www.lathes.co.uk/lorch/page8.html



-- 
Kirk Wallace
http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/
http://www.wallacecompany.com/E45/

--
Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most
engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot
___
Emc-users mailing list
Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users

Re: [Emc-users] Tida_TD-1336_lathe

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 02 February 2017 10:09:54 andy pugh wrote:

> On 2 February 2017 at 15:00, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > I would much
> > rather believe the chuck got stuck, and the desperate operator
> > engaged both pin and backgear to lock it, then put a 2 foot crescent
> > wrench on a jaw to unscrew it.
>
> Is there any other way to get a chuck off?
>
> My Chinese lathe had pin-holes in the spindle, but then it had no
> back-gear. Any other lathe I have used with a screw-on nose has been
> done that way.

I'm doing mine that way too and so far a 10" and a dead blow hammer thats 
about a pound has been sufficient. But I was just reading up on a link 
you supplied that it should be freshly oiled with 10W mineral oil 
everytime its re-installed, and I have not been doing that, so its 
getting harder to snap it loose. Side tracked by the concern for the hot 
countershaft bearings I guess.  Bad dog, no biscuit.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

--
Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most
engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot
___
Emc-users mailing list
Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users

Re: [Emc-users] Tida_TD-1336_lathe

[andy pugh]

On 2 February 2017 at 15:00, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> I would much
> rather believe the chuck got stuck, and the desperate operator engaged
> both pin and backgear to lock it, then put a 2 foot crescent wrench on a
> jaw to unscrew it.

Is there any other way to get a chuck off?

My Chinese lathe had pin-holes in the spindle, but then it had no
back-gear. Any other lathe I have used with a screw-on nose has been
done that way.

-- 
atp
"A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is
designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and
lunatics."
— George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1916

--
Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most
engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot
___
Emc-users mailing list
Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users

Re: [Emc-users] Tida_TD-1336_lathe

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 02 February 2017 09:35:52 dragon wrote:

> Kirk,
>
> I forgot to mention that I read somewhere online that it is actually
> common for the back gears to get broken on these lathes. It comes from
> user error. There is a threaded pin on one of the spindle gears that
> you need to engage and disengage. If you keep it engaged while you
> have the backgear also engaged both the belt and backgear try to drive
> the spindle shaft. That of course does not end well.

While I cannot see that it would do anything but lock itself and burn up 
the spindle drive belts on my Sheldon if it was turned on in that locked 
condition. With the OEM 3/4 horse, or this VFD driven 1 horse. But, it 
does seem to have a reputation for broken backgears.  I would much 
rather believe the chuck got stuck, and the desperate operator engaged 
both pin and backgear to lock it, then put a 2 foot crescent wrench on a 
jaw to unscrew it. That I can believe would overstress the teeth, if not 
outright break them. But who can say for sure when that may have 
occurred in the history of a 50+ year old machine that just followed you 
home?

> While it is no longer produced, Grizzly still has the manual available
> for the model G9249 lathe. It is of very similar design.
>
> On 02/02/2017 04:50 AM, andy pugh wrote:
> > On 2 February 2017 at 04:03, Kirk Wallace 
 wrote:
> >> http://www.wallacecompany.com/old_lathe/
> >
> > Is there any makers name anywhere? The tailstock is rather
> > distinctive, but you could spend a long time on lathes.co.uk looking
> > for a match.
> >
> > it ought to be relatively easy to press new (steel) gears on to
> > replace the broken back-gears.


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

--
Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most
engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot
___
Emc-users mailing list
Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users

Re: [Emc-users] Tida_TD-1336_lathe

[dragon]

Kirk,

I forgot to mention that I read somewhere online that it is actually
common for the back gears to get broken on these lathes. It comes from
user error. There is a threaded pin on one of the spindle gears that you
need to engage and disengage. If you keep it engaged while you have the
backgear also engaged both the belt and backgear try to drive the
spindle shaft. That of course does not end well.

While it is no longer produced, Grizzly still has the manual available
for the model G9249 lathe. It is of very similar design.



On 02/02/2017 04:50 AM, andy pugh wrote:
> On 2 February 2017 at 04:03, Kirk Wallace  wrote:
>> http://www.wallacecompany.com/old_lathe/
> 
> Is there any makers name anywhere? The tailstock is rather
> distinctive, but you could spend a long time on lathes.co.uk looking
> for a match.
> 
> it ought to be relatively easy to press new (steel) gears on to
> replace the broken back-gears.
> 



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature
--
Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most
engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___
Emc-users mailing list
Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users

Re: [Emc-users] Tida_TD-1336_lathe

[andy pugh]

On 2 February 2017 at 04:03, Kirk Wallace  wrote:
> http://www.wallacecompany.com/old_lathe/

Is there any makers name anywhere? The tailstock is rather
distinctive, but you could spend a long time on lathes.co.uk looking
for a match.

it ought to be relatively easy to press new (steel) gears on to
replace the broken back-gears.

-- 
atp
"A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is
designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and
lunatics."
— George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1916

--
Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most
engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot
___
Emc-users mailing list
Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users

Re: [Emc-users] Tida_TD-1336_lathe

[Kirk Wallace]

On 02/01/2017 11:07 AM, Nicklas Karlsson wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 15:37:31 -0800
> Kirk Wallace  wrote:
>
>> A lathe showed up on my doorstep (almost). A friend called up and said
>> "I've got a lathe in my trailer and I want to know if I can bring it by
>> today.
>
> Where do you get friends like that?

I just got lucky (unlucky?). I looked for my first CNC machine for quite 
a few years and ended up paying too much when I finally found one close 
by (Hardinge HNC). (I found the Shizuoka mill on eBay for a really good 
price, but moving it myself was something I won't forget.)

This same friend gave me me two mills and a lathe before:
http://www.wallacecompany.com/old_lathe/
http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/Std_Engr_Works/
and an old Cincinnati knee mill without a head.

I think he wanted to keep the Tida lathe to use but gave up trying to 
get it to work. (I found a motor starter switch that had burned away 
contacts and other wiring issues. I could have fixed these if he had 
asked but it's too late now.)

The plan is to restore the oldest lathe and horizontal mill, and build a 
new head for the Cincinnati and maybe converting to CNC. Then sell the 
machines that I end up not using.


-- 
Kirk Wallace
http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/
http://www.wallacecompany.com/E45/

--
Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most
engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot
___
Emc-users mailing list
Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users

Re: [Emc-users] Tida_TD-1336_lathe

[MC Cason]

   I don't know about the others, but I use Flickr.  Uploading is fairly 
painless, and you can sort photos into albums.  You can even add 
comments to the pictures.

   Whatever you do, please, PLEASE do not use Photobucket.  They have 
WAY to many ads.

Here is one example of my Flickr albums.

   Setting up a new D1-4 Gator chuck and backing plate:
https://flic.kr/s/aHskx9AGfK




On 02/01/2017 08:11 AM, dragon wrote:
> Kirk,
>
> You have a big brother of the lathe that followed me home! It literally
> followed me on a trailer ;) Your's does look in rough shape.
>
> It is a 1979 Jet 1024P made in Taiwan. It came with a companion, a 1980
> Jet JVM-626 benchtop knee mill. While old and definitely used, mine were
> very well cared for. I even got a bunch of the paperwork and the
> original tools and tool boxes. They both have 1.5hp spindle motors. The
> mill came with a 5" riser, 4" Kurt and an 8" rotary table that I plan to
> turn into an A-axis. The lathe came with steady rest, 3-jaw, faceplate,
> and a spare chuck backing plate.
>
> My plans for the lathe...
> - leave the apron on for a bit of extra mass and put ballnut inside
> - 3 phase motor and VFD combo
> - ditch spindle belt engagement system
> - ditch the belt drive counter shaft if possible
> - remove the compound
> - T-slot plate for top of cross slide to allow gang tooling
> - remove power feed/threading gearbox on headstock
> - remove all of the threading gear train under the left cover and add
> encoder for threading
>
> I have scrounged or found cheap the following parts so far...
> - E661 servo motors with encoders
> - 30A@60v output transformers
> - rectifiers and capacitors
> - a couple of almost new 2hp 3 phase motors (free on CL)
> - ballscrews for the knee and Y on the mill
> - ~750 lbs. chunk of granite to mount the lathe on
>
> Does anyone have a suggestion for somewhere to host the build/conversion
> progress and post pictures?
>
> -Todd

-- 
MC Cason
Eagle3D - Created by Matthias Weißer
github.com/mcason/Eagle3D



--
Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most
engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot
___
Emc-users mailing list
Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users

Re: [Emc-users] Tida_TD-1336_lathe

[Nicklas Karlsson]

On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 15:37:31 -0800
Kirk Wallace  wrote:

> A lathe showed up on my doorstep (almost). A friend called up and said
> "I've got a lathe in my trailer and I want to know if I can bring it by
> today.

Where do you get friends like that?

--
Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most
engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot
___
Emc-users mailing list
Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users

Re: [Emc-users] Tida_TD-1336_lathe

[Peter Blodow]

Kirk,
on my Graziano SAG 12 there is a similar spindle head with the camlock 
fastening system. I made a lot of additional bolts for different chucks 
and faceplates so I had all the parts in my hands quite frequently.
  The locking inserts (nuts or what you call them) in the spindle head 
are excentric in the middle and symmetrical so you can fasten the 
camlock either way, left or right. We are used to tighten clockwise, so 
I prefer this. The bolts are screwed loosely into the plate into 
randomly cut threads and only prevented from turning by an additional 
1/4" bolt, so it depends on chance just exactly how far they protrude 
when screwed in. (To show the desired position, they have a ring groove 
which is supposed to be about even with the faceplate's surface.) The 
excentricity of the nuts and the camlock bolts with their (weird) low 
pitch threads are designed as to tolerate this. Of course, there may by 
no means a gap between the spindle head and the plate. And when 
tightening, the wrench must come to a final position where no more 
movement is possible.

Peter


Am 01.02.2017 17:13, schrieb Kirk Wallace:
> On 01/31/2017 03:37 PM, Kirk Wallace wrote:
>> A lathe showed up on my doorstep (almost). A friend called up and said
>> "I've got a lathe in my trailer and I want to know if I can bring it by
>> today." I guess he knows me well enough to know that I could not refuse.
>> I have had it a couple of days and I took some time to scrape the first
>> layer of grime off of it and take some pictures.
>> http://wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/Tida_Samson_TD-1336_lathe/
> ... snip
>
> Another thing I'm curious about. I haven't used a D1-4 Camlock before
> and I can't seem to find information on how to use it. I did find the
> specifications:
> http://www.tools-n-gizmos.com/specs/Lathe_Spindle_Mount.html
>
> but mine is a little different than the one shown in the link above. The
> linked spindle shows the cam is just clockwise of the chuck pin puller
> hole. Mine is counter clockwise which suggests that the locking motion
> is different.
>> http://wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/Tida_Samson_TD-1336_lathe/IMG_1774-1a.JPG
> Looking closer, the example chuck plate is like mine. The spindle
> picture suggests righty-tighty (clock-wise-tighty), the chuck example
> and my lathe suggest counter-clock-wise-tighty. Do D1-4 mounts go both
> ways? Also, I found information that the pull pins need to be adjusted
> so that the cams will detent when tight. Any help clearing this up would
> be appreciated.
>
>


---
Diese E-Mail wurde von Avast Antivirus-Software auf Viren geprüft.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus


--
Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most
engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot
___
Emc-users mailing list
Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users

Re: [Emc-users] Tida_TD-1336_lathe

[Ken Strauss]

I assume that your spindle is MT5.
>From http://chaski.org/homemachinist/viewtopic.php?t=87907
"The collet adapter that adapts the spindle bore from a MT #5 taper to
accept 5-C collets is available by part number. The part number is P4026001
Collet Adapter priced at $30.00 plus shipping and handling. The use of a
drawtube or drawbar will still be necessary for the collet adapter to remain
centered and stable in the spindle bore."

> -Original Message-
> From: Kirk Wallace [mailto:kwall...@wallacecompany.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 11:26 AM
> To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Tida_TD-1336_lathe
>
> On 02/01/2017 08:13 AM, Kirk Wallace wrote:
> > On 01/31/2017 03:37 PM, Kirk Wallace wrote:
> >> A lathe showed up on my doorstep (almost). A friend called up and
> >> said "I've got a lathe in my trailer and I want to know if I can
> >> bring it by today." I guess he knows me well enough to know that I
could
> not refuse.
> >> I have had it a couple of days and I took some time to scrape the
> >> first layer of grime off of it and take some pictures.
> >> http://wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/Tida_Samson_TD-1336_lathe/
> >
> > ... snip
> >
> > Another thing I'm curious about. I haven't used a D1-4 Camlock before
> > and I can't seem to find information on how to use it. I did find the
> > specifications:
> > http://www.tools-n-gizmos.com/specs/Lathe_Spindle_Mount.html
>
> Another thing came to mind, I placed a 5C collet in the spindle bore and
the
> hole is larger. Is there typically an insert for this bore to adapt to 5C?
>
>
> --
> Kirk Wallace
> http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/
> http://www.wallacecompany.com/E45/
>
>

--
> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging
> tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot
> ___
> Emc-users mailing list
> Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users



--
Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most
engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot
___
Emc-users mailing list
Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users

Re: [Emc-users] Tida_TD-1336_lathe

[andy pugh]

On 1 February 2017 at 16:13, Kirk Wallace  wrote:
> http://www.tools-n-gizmos.com/specs/Lathe_Spindle_Mount.html
>
> but mine is a little different than the one shown in the link above. The
> linked spindle shows the cam is just clockwise of the chuck pin puller
> hole. Mine is counter clockwise which suggests that the locking motion
> is different.

That photo looks suspiciously like the one on lathes.co.uk
http://www.lathes.co.uk/latheparts/page9.html

And I suspect has been flipped or mis-drawn.

The ISO standard (702-2) seems quite clear that the pins are clockwise
of the cams.


-- 
atp
"A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is
designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and
lunatics."
— George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1916

--
Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most
engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot
___
Emc-users mailing list
Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users

Re: [Emc-users] Tida_TD-1336_lathe

[andy pugh]

On 1 February 2017 at 16:25, Kirk Wallace  wrote:
> Another thing came to mind, I placed a 5C collet in the spindle bore and
> the hole is larger. Is there typically an insert for this bore to adapt
> to 5C?

Yes, Or an insert for a different size collet. Typically the spindle
bore is a plain taper (sometimes Morse, often not) and the lathe comes
with an adaptor for a fixed-centre.

There are also D1-4 to 5C adaptors:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/5C-5-Collet-Chuck-with-Integral-D1-4-CAMLOCK-Mounting-Stud-5-8-0269-0014-/161615306971

-- 
atp
"A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is
designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and
lunatics."
— George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1916

--
Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most
engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot
___
Emc-users mailing list
Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users

Re: [Emc-users] Tida_TD-1336_lathe

[andy pugh]

On 1 February 2017 at 16:13, Kirk Wallace  wrote:
> . Do D1-4 mounts go both
> ways?

I don't know. How interesting.

Are there any marks around the camlock squares? Normally there are
little marks that show when you are in the safe range.

You take out the locking screw and screw the pins in and out to get
the pointer between the marks.

It might be worth getting a good-quality backplate or face-plate to
use as a gauge if you re-grind the nose.
The chuck should pull up far enough onto the taper to touch the flat
face (ie, no gap).

-- 
atp
"A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is
designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and
lunatics."
— George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1916

--
Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most
engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot
___
Emc-users mailing list
Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users

Re: [Emc-users] Tida_TD-1336_lathe

[Kirk Wallace]

On 02/01/2017 08:13 AM, Kirk Wallace wrote:
> On 01/31/2017 03:37 PM, Kirk Wallace wrote:
>> A lathe showed up on my doorstep (almost). A friend called up and said
>> "I've got a lathe in my trailer and I want to know if I can bring it by
>> today." I guess he knows me well enough to know that I could not refuse.
>> I have had it a couple of days and I took some time to scrape the first
>> layer of grime off of it and take some pictures.
>> http://wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/Tida_Samson_TD-1336_lathe/
>
> ... snip
>
> Another thing I'm curious about. I haven't used a D1-4 Camlock before
> and I can't seem to find information on how to use it. I did find the
> specifications:
> http://www.tools-n-gizmos.com/specs/Lathe_Spindle_Mount.html

Another thing came to mind, I placed a 5C collet in the spindle bore and 
the hole is larger. Is there typically an insert for this bore to adapt 
to 5C?


-- 
Kirk Wallace
http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/
http://www.wallacecompany.com/E45/

--
Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most
engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot
___
Emc-users mailing list
Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users

Re: [Emc-users] Tida_TD-1336_lathe

[Kirk Wallace]

On 01/31/2017 03:37 PM, Kirk Wallace wrote:
> A lathe showed up on my doorstep (almost). A friend called up and said
> "I've got a lathe in my trailer and I want to know if I can bring it by
> today." I guess he knows me well enough to know that I could not refuse.
> I have had it a couple of days and I took some time to scrape the first
> layer of grime off of it and take some pictures.
> http://wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/Tida_Samson_TD-1336_lathe/

... snip

Another thing I'm curious about. I haven't used a D1-4 Camlock before 
and I can't seem to find information on how to use it. I did find the 
specifications:
http://www.tools-n-gizmos.com/specs/Lathe_Spindle_Mount.html

but mine is a little different than the one shown in the link above. The 
linked spindle shows the cam is just clockwise of the chuck pin puller 
hole. Mine is counter clockwise which suggests that the locking motion 
is different.
> http://wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/Tida_Samson_TD-1336_lathe/IMG_1774-1a.JPG

Looking closer, the example chuck plate is like mine. The spindle 
picture suggests righty-tighty (clock-wise-tighty), the chuck example 
and my lathe suggest counter-clock-wise-tighty. Do D1-4 mounts go both 
ways? Also, I found information that the pull pins need to be adjusted 
so that the cams will detent when tight. Any help clearing this up would 
be appreciated.


-- 
Kirk Wallace
http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/
http://www.wallacecompany.com/E45/

--
Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most
engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot
___
Emc-users mailing list
Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users

Re: [Emc-users] Tida_TD-1336_lathe

[andy pugh]

On 1 February 2017 at 14:11, dragon  wrote:
>
> Does anyone have a suggestion for somewhere to host the build/conversion
> progress and post pictures?

I use Blogger.
http://bodgesoc.blogspot.co.uk/2015/08/holbrook1.html

-- 
atp
"A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is
designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and
lunatics."
— George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1916

--
Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most
engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot
___
Emc-users mailing list
Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users

Re: [Emc-users] Tida_TD-1336_lathe

[John Thornton]

I have a Samson TB 6B 16" x 48" and it will swing a 20" face place with 
the drop bed removed (never done that). Mine is in pretty good shape for 
an 80's lathe and I use it regular. I can't wait to see your conversion 
might inspire me to convert the ole Samson.

JT


On 1/31/2017 5:37 PM, Kirk Wallace wrote:
> A lathe showed up on my doorstep (almost). A friend called up and said
> "I've got a lathe in my trailer and I want to know if I can bring it by
> today." I guess he knows me well enough to know that I could not refuse.
> I have had it a couple of days and I took some time to scrape the first
> layer of grime off of it and take some pictures.
> http://wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/Tida_Samson_TD-1336_lathe/
>
> One of the control panels indicates it is a Samson TD-1336 (13" x 36")
> and that it was made in Taiwan in 1982. It looks like a common Chinese
> lathe offered by Grizzly or Harbor Freight. It doesn't have a lot of
> wear, but has been abused. The back gears are stripped, the cross slide
> has been crashed into, the spindle and chuck have been hammered on
> extensively.
>
> It's too early to have a firm plan for this machine, but I'm thinking
> that I would like to convert it to:
> - 2hp 3 phase motor, VFD, belt drive, encoder (remove everything down to
> the spindle shaft)
> - Servo, ballscrew and encoder for Z (remove change gear and feed
> drives)
> - Servo, ballscrew and encoder for X (remove cross slide and apron)
> - replace missing tail stock
> - regrind spindle D1-4 surfaces
> - regrind chuck surfaces
> - maybe replace spindle bearings if they show hammering damage
> - of course add LinuxCNC controller
>
>
>


--
Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most
engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot
___
Emc-users mailing list
Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users

Re: [Emc-users] Tida_TD-1336_lathe

[dragon]

Kirk,

You have a big brother of the lathe that followed me home! It literally
followed me on a trailer ;) Your's does look in rough shape.

It is a 1979 Jet 1024P made in Taiwan. It came with a companion, a 1980
Jet JVM-626 benchtop knee mill. While old and definitely used, mine were
very well cared for. I even got a bunch of the paperwork and the
original tools and tool boxes. They both have 1.5hp spindle motors. The
mill came with a 5" riser, 4" Kurt and an 8" rotary table that I plan to
turn into an A-axis. The lathe came with steady rest, 3-jaw, faceplate,
and a spare chuck backing plate.

My plans for the lathe...
- leave the apron on for a bit of extra mass and put ballnut inside
- 3 phase motor and VFD combo
- ditch spindle belt engagement system
- ditch the belt drive counter shaft if possible
- remove the compound
- T-slot plate for top of cross slide to allow gang tooling
- remove power feed/threading gearbox on headstock
- remove all of the threading gear train under the left cover and add
encoder for threading

I have scrounged or found cheap the following parts so far...
- E661 servo motors with encoders
- 30A@60v output transformers
- rectifiers and capacitors
- a couple of almost new 2hp 3 phase motors (free on CL)
- ballscrews for the knee and Y on the mill
- ~750 lbs. chunk of granite to mount the lathe on

Does anyone have a suggestion for somewhere to host the build/conversion
progress and post pictures?

-Todd



On 01/31/2017 05:37 PM, Kirk Wallace wrote:
> A lathe showed up on my doorstep (almost). A friend called up and said
> "I've got a lathe in my trailer and I want to know if I can bring it by
> today." I guess he knows me well enough to know that I could not refuse.
> I have had it a couple of days and I took some time to scrape the first
> layer of grime off of it and take some pictures.
> http://wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/Tida_Samson_TD-1336_lathe/
> 
> One of the control panels indicates it is a Samson TD-1336 (13" x 36")
> and that it was made in Taiwan in 1982. It looks like a common Chinese 
> lathe offered by Grizzly or Harbor Freight. It doesn't have a lot of 
> wear, but has been abused. The back gears are stripped, the cross slide 
> has been crashed into, the spindle and chuck have been hammered on 
> extensively.
> 
> It's too early to have a firm plan for this machine, but I'm thinking
> that I would like to convert it to:
> - 2hp 3 phase motor, VFD, belt drive, encoder (remove everything down to 
> the spindle shaft)
> - Servo, ballscrew and encoder for Z (remove change gear and feed
> drives)
> - Servo, ballscrew and encoder for X (remove cross slide and apron)
> - replace missing tail stock
> - regrind spindle D1-4 surfaces
> - regrind chuck surfaces
> - maybe replace spindle bearings if they show hammering damage
> - of course add LinuxCNC controller
> 
> 
> 



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature
--
Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most
engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___
Emc-users mailing list
Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users

Re: [Emc-users] Tida_TD-1336_lathe

[Gregg Eshelman]

If you can figure out what Grizzly called that one when they sold it (they seem 
to have at some point sold every design of Chinese and Taiwan made mill and 
lathe) you may be able to get some parts, or at least download a manual.
I know JET sold that lathe during their "green period" before they went to the 
cream color with black and red stripe.

 
  From: Kirk Wallace <kwall...@wallacecompany.com>
 To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) <emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> 
 Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 4:37 PM
 Subject: [Emc-users] Tida_TD-1336_lathe
   
A lathe showed up on my doorstep (almost). A friend called up and said
"I've got a lathe in my trailer and I want to know if I can bring it by
today." I guess he knows me well enough to know that I could not refuse.
I have had it a couple of days and I took some time to scrape the first
layer of grime off of it and take some pictures.
http://wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/Tida_Samson_TD-1336_lathe/

One of the control panels indicates it is a Samson TD-1336 (13" x 36")
and that it was made in Taiwan in 1982. It looks like a common Chinese 
lathe offered by Grizzly or Harbor Freight. It doesn't have a lot of 
wear, but has been abused. The back gears are stripped, the cross slide 
has been crashed into, the spindle and chuck have been hammered on 
extensively.
   
 
--
Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most
engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot
___
Emc-users mailing list
Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users

Re: [Emc-users] Tida_TD-1336_lathe

[Kirk Wallace]

On 01/31/2017 05:40 PM, John Alexander Stewart wrote:
> Kirk - why replace the tailstock? With gang tooling, you'll be able to make
> lots of things...
>
> (I'm -slowly- CNCing a smaller 8x18 lathe)
>
> John.

I see a lot of similar 13 x 36 lathes marketed as gunsmith lathes. The 
long bed seems to be a feature. It's my understanding a tailstock would 
be needed for long workpieces, but won't need one right away.
http://www.grizzly.com/products/12-x-36-Gunsmithing-Lathe/G0750G

I have a Hardinge linuxHNC screw machine for short work so I'm covered 
there.
http://www.wallacecompany.com/cnc_lathe/HNC/

-- 
Kirk Wallace
http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/
http://www.wallacecompany.com/E45/

--
Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most
engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot
___
Emc-users mailing list
Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users

Re: [Emc-users] Tida_TD-1336_lathe

[John Alexander Stewart]

Kirk - why replace the tailstock? With gang tooling, you'll be able to make
lots of things...

(I'm -slowly- CNCing a smaller 8x18 lathe)

John.
--
Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most
engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot
___
Emc-users mailing list
Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users

Re: [Emc-users] Tida_TD-1336_lathe

[MC Cason]

   Take LOTS of pictures as you go along, with a summary of accomplishments.


On 01/31/2017 05:37 PM, Kirk Wallace wrote:
> A lathe showed up on my doorstep (almost). A friend called up and said
> "I've got a lathe in my trailer and I want to know if I can bring it by
> today." I guess he knows me well enough to know that I could not refuse.
> I have had it a couple of days and I took some time to scrape the first
> layer of grime off of it and take some pictures.
> http://wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/Tida_Samson_TD-1336_lathe/
>
> One of the control panels indicates it is a Samson TD-1336 (13" x 36")
> and that it was made in Taiwan in 1982. It looks like a common Chinese
> lathe offered by Grizzly or Harbor Freight. It doesn't have a lot of
> wear, but has been abused. The back gears are stripped, the cross slide
> has been crashed into, the spindle and chuck have been hammered on
> extensively.
>
> It's too early to have a firm plan for this machine, but I'm thinking
> that I would like to convert it to:
> - 2hp 3 phase motor, VFD, belt drive, encoder (remove everything down to
> the spindle shaft)
> - Servo, ballscrew and encoder for Z (remove change gear and feed
> drives)
> - Servo, ballscrew and encoder for X (remove cross slide and apron)
> - replace missing tail stock
> - regrind spindle D1-4 surfaces
> - regrind chuck surfaces
> - maybe replace spindle bearings if they show hammering damage
> - of course add LinuxCNC controller
>
>
>


-- 
MC Cason
Eagle3D - Created by Matthias Weißer
github.com/mcason/Eagle3D



--
Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most
engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot
___
Emc-users mailing list
Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users

Re: [Emc-users] Tida_TD-1336_lathe

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 31 January 2017 18:37:31 Kirk Wallace wrote:

> A lathe showed up on my doorstep (almost). A friend called up and said
> "I've got a lathe in my trailer and I want to know if I can bring it
> by today." I guess he knows me well enough to know that I could not
> refuse. I have had it a couple of days and I took some time to scrape
> the first layer of grime off of it and take some pictures.
> http://wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/Tida_Samson_TD-1336_lathe/
>
> One of the control panels indicates it is a Samson TD-1336 (13" x 36")
> and that it was made in Taiwan in 1982. It looks like a common Chinese
> lathe offered by Grizzly or Harbor Freight. It doesn't have a lot of
> wear, but has been abused. The back gears are stripped, the cross
> slide has been crashed into, the spindle and chuck have been hammered
> on extensively.
>
> It's too early to have a firm plan for this machine, but I'm thinking
> that I would like to convert it to:
> - 2hp 3 phase motor, VFD, belt drive, encoder (remove everything down
> to the spindle shaft)
> - Servo, ballscrew and encoder for Z (remove change gear and feed
> drives)
> - Servo, ballscrew and encoder for X (remove cross slide and apron)
> - replace missing tail stock
> - regrind spindle D1-4 surfaces
> - regrind chuck surfaces
> - maybe replace spindle bearings if they show hammering damage
> - of course add LinuxCNC controller

All of the above, sounds like a plan. :).

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

--
Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most
engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot
___
Emc-users mailing list
Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users

[Emc-users] Tida_TD-1336_lathe

[Kirk Wallace]

A lathe showed up on my doorstep (almost). A friend called up and said
"I've got a lathe in my trailer and I want to know if I can bring it by
today." I guess he knows me well enough to know that I could not refuse.
I have had it a couple of days and I took some time to scrape the first
layer of grime off of it and take some pictures.
http://wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/Tida_Samson_TD-1336_lathe/

One of the control panels indicates it is a Samson TD-1336 (13" x 36")
and that it was made in Taiwan in 1982. It looks like a common Chinese 
lathe offered by Grizzly or Harbor Freight. It doesn't have a lot of 
wear, but has been abused. The back gears are stripped, the cross slide 
has been crashed into, the spindle and chuck have been hammered on 
extensively.

It's too early to have a firm plan for this machine, but I'm thinking
that I would like to convert it to:
- 2hp 3 phase motor, VFD, belt drive, encoder (remove everything down to 
the spindle shaft)
- Servo, ballscrew and encoder for Z (remove change gear and feed
drives)
- Servo, ballscrew and encoder for X (remove cross slide and apron)
- replace missing tail stock
- regrind spindle D1-4 surfaces
- regrind chuck surfaces
- maybe replace spindle bearings if they show hammering damage
- of course add LinuxCNC controller



-- 
Kirk Wallace
http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/
http://www.wallacecompany.com/E45/

--
Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most
engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot
___
Emc-users mailing list
Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users