Re: [Emc-users] [Emc-developers] Off topic question - Need help with remote cell phone data connection via site to site VPN

[Karlsson & Wang]

> ... They like to "control" the customer
> even when they don't know what they are doing.

I think an old sales person trick is to first check your "budget" or how much 
money you have available to spend then they find the most expensive you are 
likely to buy.

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Re: [Emc-users] [Emc-developers] Off topic question - Need help with remote cell phone data connection via site to site VPN

[Rafael]

Dave,

On 10/17/2015 01:20 PM, Dave Cole wrote:
>
> I need a fast connection as we want to be able to do remote video and
> also do debugging of the PLC control remotely via the comm link with the
> help of a remote video camera.
>
> One problem that I am having is that Sprint wants to control what device
> I use.   They literally offer one device at a time and the last one was
> a 4G router that only supports VPN Passthrough even though they were
> "sure" that it would support a site to site VPN connection.
> I don't want to have two remote routers or boxes in the cabinet. Cost is
> not a problem.   The Netgear 6100D I have used is $200 and that is
> considered very cheap.  $600 would not be out of line if it can do what
> we want and has a fairly wide temperature range. This device will be in
> a box mounted outside.
>
> I can't use OpenVPN because there is no PC or server at the remote site.

That's what I would put there. Get a small box PC, install Linux and 
setup firewall and ssh for connections from the internet. You can limit 
access from static IPs, etc.

Searching for "minibox PC" or "miniITX PC" returns pages of small 
fanless computers with 2 Eth ports you can use to install Linux and 
setup routing. I see Intel® NUC are gaining popularity but I haven't 
seen one with 2 Eth ports yet. You probably need to use USB/eth 
converter to make a router.

There is an excellent VPN like solution, shuttle. We use that in small 
company for remote connections to internal networks. As long as you can 
resolve the internal hostnames, or use IPs instead, you can connect to 
that network with any protocol. Network number needs to be different 
than what you have on LAN you are connecting from. I use that to connect 
to Cisco UCS Management (GUI) console and ssh to KVM and Openstack 
servers for example.

Not sure what network speed you need but you can make very cheap router 
with SBCs like Raspberry Pi 
http://qcktech.blogspot.com/2012/08/raspberry-pi-as-router.html

However, assuming you need this for industrial environment you would be 
better of with using small computers made for industrial use. Plenty of 
those around.

> A GSM solution with AT would be ideal if they have sufficient coverage
> since swapping out the 4G router would only require swapping the SIM
> card instead of going through the ridiculous device activation routine
> that Sprint and Verizon requires.

Problem with a dedicated router in this case is that it's a dedicated 
box and not flexible enough for your use. With Linux box you can setup 
other things like active monitoring the environment (temp, light, 
switches, etc.) and perhaps send alerts in case of PLC related issues.

>
> I think that AT will be my next call.  I've pretty much run out of
> patience with Sprint.

Sprint was terrible for me, dropping or no service at home and in 
office. People in their shop did not care. I had to go through PUC to 
get out of lock-in contract to a better provider.

> Thanks,
>
> Dave

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Re: [Emc-users] [Emc-developers] Off topic question - Need help with remote cell phone data connection via site to site VPN

[Dave Cole]

Perhaps I didn't make it clear what is screwing me up technically.  A 
few years ago Sprint, Verizon and others would allow incoming 
connections to a cell phone modem. They no longer
allow that unless they specifically setup the account to allow that.   
So you can't buy a USB 4G dongle, hotspot, etc and establish a remote 
connection to it.By default all incoming connections are 
firewalled.  That used to be possible with a generic cell phone 
account.  I did it 3-4 years ago with a Verizon and Sprint have both 
blocked remote connections to cell devices.Sprint really clamped 
down on that recently after a hacker proved that he could remotely 
control a Chrysler car via the cell phone link to the built in cell 
system (engineered in conjunction with Sprint).Sprint at first 
denied that they were doing that but after I gave them the IP address 
and location of the router that was blocking port requests they fessed 
up.I have since been told by Netgear that Sprint implements this in 
their 4G devices by programming the sims in a certain way.A "Mobile 
Originated" Sim is the standard issue for a Sprint 4G device/phone.
If they issue a "Mobile Terminated" sim for the device then that device 
can be setup to allow incoming connections.

The suggestion to look at a cloud service has me thinking. Perhaps I 
should forget about the cell companies cooperating and setup each remote 
site as a client and have it maintain a connection to a server.  Once a 
VPN tunnel is established I think we can remotely control whatever 
devices are on the client end of the VPN connection also.   I wonder how 
much data is required to keep a VPN tunnel alive on a cell network?  I 
think we should test that.

I know that Teamviewer will work to a remotely connected cell network 
connected device.   So it appears that this should be possible via a 
central server.

Adding a Linux box as Rafael mentioned could simplify some of this but 
it sure would be nice to not have another computer to maintain.

Hmmm  this is sort of what I was thinking but they actually using 
Teamviewers VPN!
http://superuser.com/questions/402223/how-to-route-internet-connection-through-teamviewers-vpn

Thanks for the ideas guys..

Dave

On 10/18/2015 4:39 PM, Tom Easterday wrote:
> This is why you should buy/operate your own equipment and just buy a data 
> plan for the modem, IMHO.
> -Tom
>
>> On Oct 18, 2015, at 4:25 PM, Dave Cole  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks guys.
>>
>> When I boil it all down, the real problem I am having is dealing with
>> the cell phone companies.They like to "control" the customer
>> even when they don't know what they are doing.
>>
>> I'm crossing Sprint off my list.   Next up is AT   I've got another
>> guy chasing solutions with Verizon, which is probably best since I have
>> some latent hate for Verizon
>> due to past issues.
>>
>> Jeff Epler turned me onto Ting a few years ago (very good advice),
>> unfortunately Sprint has Ting in handcuffs and won't let them expand
>> into industrial data markets.
>> Like I said, Sprint is big into controlling their customer, even if it
>> is their own MVNO like Ting.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/17/2015 6:40 PM, Jack Coats wrote:
>>> if you need real encryption, put in a netscreen 5 on each end and get a
>>> signed certificate for them.  When working for IT at a bank, we used them
>>> for our wire transfers for international wires,  It can be hard core
>>> encryption.  Once set up, it is dead easy to use.  Netscreen 5 refurb is
>>> $125 or so on Amazon.  New $600.  Owned by Juniper Networks now days.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Jack Coats  wrote:
>>>
 i used sprint for primary internet for a while.  Last few years I have
 Exede satellite feed.  it is about $100/mo for 15GB, and $10/G additional
 use,  Other plans are available.  It is pretty solid.  I'd still go for a
 wired feed to keep costs down. (No DSL or cable available)

 On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Dave Cole
 wrote:

> I need a fast connection as we want to be able to do remote video and
> also do debugging of the PLC control remotely via the comm link with the
> help of a remote video camera.
>
> One problem that I am having is that Sprint wants to control what device
> I use.   They literally offer one device at a time and the last one was
> a 4G router that only supports VPN Passthrough even though they were
> "sure" that it would support a site to site VPN connection.
> I don't want to have two remote routers or boxes in the cabinet. Cost is
> not a problem.   The Netgear 6100D I have used is $200 and that is
> considered very cheap.  $600 would not be out of line if it can do what
> we want and has a fairly wide temperature range. This device will be in
> a box mounted outside.
>
> I can't use OpenVPN because there is no PC or server 

Re: [Emc-users] [Emc-developers] Off topic question - Need help with remote cell phone data connection via site to site VPN

[Tom Easterday]

This is why you should buy/operate your own equipment and just buy a data plan 
for the modem, IMHO.
-Tom

> On Oct 18, 2015, at 4:25 PM, Dave Cole  wrote:
> 
> Thanks guys.
> 
> When I boil it all down, the real problem I am having is dealing with 
> the cell phone companies.They like to "control" the customer
> even when they don't know what they are doing.
> 
> I'm crossing Sprint off my list.   Next up is AT   I've got another 
> guy chasing solutions with Verizon, which is probably best since I have 
> some latent hate for Verizon
> due to past issues.
> 
> Jeff Epler turned me onto Ting a few years ago (very good advice), 
> unfortunately Sprint has Ting in handcuffs and won't let them expand 
> into industrial data markets.
> Like I said, Sprint is big into controlling their customer, even if it 
> is their own MVNO like Ting.
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/17/2015 6:40 PM, Jack Coats wrote:
>> if you need real encryption, put in a netscreen 5 on each end and get a
>> signed certificate for them.  When working for IT at a bank, we used them
>> for our wire transfers for international wires,  It can be hard core
>> encryption.  Once set up, it is dead easy to use.  Netscreen 5 refurb is
>> $125 or so on Amazon.  New $600.  Owned by Juniper Networks now days.
>> 
>> On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Jack Coats  wrote:
>> 
>>> i used sprint for primary internet for a while.  Last few years I have
>>> Exede satellite feed.  it is about $100/mo for 15GB, and $10/G additional
>>> use,  Other plans are available.  It is pretty solid.  I'd still go for a
>>> wired feed to keep costs down. (No DSL or cable available)
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Dave Cole 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 I need a fast connection as we want to be able to do remote video and
 also do debugging of the PLC control remotely via the comm link with the
 help of a remote video camera.
 
 One problem that I am having is that Sprint wants to control what device
 I use.   They literally offer one device at a time and the last one was
 a 4G router that only supports VPN Passthrough even though they were
 "sure" that it would support a site to site VPN connection.
 I don't want to have two remote routers or boxes in the cabinet. Cost is
 not a problem.   The Netgear 6100D I have used is $200 and that is
 considered very cheap.  $600 would not be out of line if it can do what
 we want and has a fairly wide temperature range. This device will be in
 a box mounted outside.
 
 I can't use OpenVPN because there is no PC or server at the remote site.
 
 A GSM solution with AT would be ideal if they have sufficient coverage
 since swapping out the 4G router would only require swapping the SIM
 card instead of going through the ridiculous device activation routine
 that Sprint and Verizon requires.
 
 I think that AT will be my next call.  I've pretty much run out of
 patience with Sprint.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Dave
 
 On 10/16/2015 11:50 PM, Tom Easterday wrote:
> You didn't say what kind of throughput you need nor what your budget is
 but one option is something like a Cisco RV320 on each end with 4G modems
 attached.  You can see a review of the router here:
> 
 http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/lanwan/lanwan-reviews/32317-cisco-rv320-dual-gigabit-wan-vpn-router-reviewed?limitstart=0
> There is also a you tube video on configuring the modem:
 http://youtu.be/RXerRGEZFEI
> I recommended the RV180 for a friend's business that needed sts vpn
 (over public internet, not over cellular) and it worked well for him and he
 said it was easy for them to set up and use.
> There are of course other more diy setups using cell phones with
 tethering and using OpenVPN or such on your own processors.  But you have
 to be careful as carriers may try to limit or block always on use of
 tethering and data plans may not fit your requirements.  Or you get some
 cellular wifi hotspots and use them with OpenVPN.
> See:
> 
 http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/other/security/security-howto/30353-how-to-set-up-a-site-to-site-vpn-with-openvpn
>> On Oct 16, 2015, at 3:08 PM, Dave Cole 
 wrote:
>> Key points - need help with a data cell phone connection to remote
>> equipment via a VPN.
>> 
>> Guys,
>> 
>> I'm working with some remotely located equipment and I need to
 establish
>> a comm link to it.
>> 
>> We have decided to go with a cell phone data connection.   We want to
 be
>> able to remotely access this equipment via a "site to site" VPN.
>> This is different than a client/server VPN connection that people
>> oftentimes use to connect back to corporate headquarters for email,
 file
>> sharing etc.
>> 
>> The remote equipment is 

Re: [Emc-users] [Emc-developers] Off topic question - Need help with remote cell phone data connection via site to site VPN

[Dave Cole]

Thanks guys.

When I boil it all down, the real problem I am having is dealing with 
the cell phone companies.They like to "control" the customer
even when they don't know what they are doing.

I'm crossing Sprint off my list.   Next up is AT   I've got another 
guy chasing solutions with Verizon, which is probably best since I have 
some latent hate for Verizon
due to past issues.

Jeff Epler turned me onto Ting a few years ago (very good advice), 
unfortunately Sprint has Ting in handcuffs and won't let them expand 
into industrial data markets.
Like I said, Sprint is big into controlling their customer, even if it 
is their own MVNO like Ting.

Dave



On 10/17/2015 6:40 PM, Jack Coats wrote:
> if you need real encryption, put in a netscreen 5 on each end and get a
> signed certificate for them.  When working for IT at a bank, we used them
> for our wire transfers for international wires,  It can be hard core
> encryption.  Once set up, it is dead easy to use.  Netscreen 5 refurb is
> $125 or so on Amazon.  New $600.  Owned by Juniper Networks now days.
>
> On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Jack Coats  wrote:
>
>> i used sprint for primary internet for a while.  Last few years I have
>> Exede satellite feed.  it is about $100/mo for 15GB, and $10/G additional
>> use,  Other plans are available.  It is pretty solid.  I'd still go for a
>> wired feed to keep costs down. (No DSL or cable available)
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Dave Cole 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I need a fast connection as we want to be able to do remote video and
>>> also do debugging of the PLC control remotely via the comm link with the
>>> help of a remote video camera.
>>>
>>> One problem that I am having is that Sprint wants to control what device
>>> I use.   They literally offer one device at a time and the last one was
>>> a 4G router that only supports VPN Passthrough even though they were
>>> "sure" that it would support a site to site VPN connection.
>>> I don't want to have two remote routers or boxes in the cabinet. Cost is
>>> not a problem.   The Netgear 6100D I have used is $200 and that is
>>> considered very cheap.  $600 would not be out of line if it can do what
>>> we want and has a fairly wide temperature range. This device will be in
>>> a box mounted outside.
>>>
>>> I can't use OpenVPN because there is no PC or server at the remote site.
>>>
>>> A GSM solution with AT would be ideal if they have sufficient coverage
>>> since swapping out the 4G router would only require swapping the SIM
>>> card instead of going through the ridiculous device activation routine
>>> that Sprint and Verizon requires.
>>>
>>> I think that AT will be my next call.  I've pretty much run out of
>>> patience with Sprint.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On 10/16/2015 11:50 PM, Tom Easterday wrote:
 You didn't say what kind of throughput you need nor what your budget is
>>> but one option is something like a Cisco RV320 on each end with 4G modems
>>> attached.  You can see a review of the router here:

>>> http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/lanwan/lanwan-reviews/32317-cisco-rv320-dual-gigabit-wan-vpn-router-reviewed?limitstart=0
 There is also a you tube video on configuring the modem:
>>> http://youtu.be/RXerRGEZFEI
 I recommended the RV180 for a friend's business that needed sts vpn
>>> (over public internet, not over cellular) and it worked well for him and he
>>> said it was easy for them to set up and use.
 There are of course other more diy setups using cell phones with
>>> tethering and using OpenVPN or such on your own processors.  But you have
>>> to be careful as carriers may try to limit or block always on use of
>>> tethering and data plans may not fit your requirements.  Or you get some
>>> cellular wifi hotspots and use them with OpenVPN.
 See:

>>> http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/other/security/security-howto/30353-how-to-set-up-a-site-to-site-vpn-with-openvpn
> On Oct 16, 2015, at 3:08 PM, Dave Cole 
>>> wrote:
> Key points - need help with a data cell phone connection to remote
> equipment via a VPN.
>
> Guys,
>
> I'm working with some remotely located equipment and I need to
>>> establish
> a comm link to it.
>
> We have decided to go with a cell phone data connection.   We want to
>>> be
> able to remotely access this equipment via a "site to site" VPN.
> This is different than a client/server VPN connection that people
> oftentimes use to connect back to corporate headquarters for email,
>>> file
> sharing etc.
>
> The remote equipment is ethernet based but it is not a generic PC, it's
> a PLC.   So I need the remote cell phone modem/router to do all of the
> work of encrypting the data, establishing the VPN tunnel, etc.  It
>>> needs
> to be a VPN Router with a 4G modem built in that supports a "site to
> site connection" and not just be a 

Re: [Emc-users] [Emc-developers] Off topic question - Need help with remote cell phone data connection via site to site VPN

[Gregg Eshelman]

On 10/17/2015 3:42 PM, Dave Cole wrote:
> That could be a work around for uncooperative cell phone companies, but
> it would make things much more complex.
> I didn't realize that Google has a VPN cloud solution.

If you've ever felt like you've been railroaded by a cell phone company, 
check to see if you are with Sprint.

The name was originally an acronym for Southern Pacific Railroad 
Internal Network Telephony.

SP laid fiber optic lines by all their tracks, to use for train control 
and company voice service. They didn't begin to use all the fiber 
capacity they'd installed and decided to offer PSTN (Public Switched 
Telephone Network) service.

The big telcos tried to block that. The railroad sued, won the suit and 
launched the SPRINT telephone company. That's what pushed AT and the 
others to speed up their installation of fiber optic lines, SPRINT was 
already mostly fiber.


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Re: [Emc-users] [Emc-developers] Off topic question - Need help with remote cell phone data connection via site to site VPN

[Gregg Eshelman]

On 10/17/2015 3:48 PM, Bruce Layne wrote:

> Caveats:
>
> T-Mobile apparently no longer offers the unlimited data plan for
> phones.  That's a great deal.  The hot spot data plans are much more
> expensive on a per GB basis, but not a deal breaker if you need
> occasional high bandwidth internet service.

Sprint still does. I had a business plan with two Android phones and a 
flip phone. Unlimited data with no slowdown throttling after a certain 
number of gigs like T-Mobile's "unlimited" plans had. Unlimited texts. 
Unlimited minutes outgoing or incoming from ANY other cellphone in the 
USA. 1500 minutes to/from landlines - which includes WiFi calling from a 
cellphone or any other calls that get routed off the cell systems.

Well, my dear mother has a friend in Georgia who likes to talk, a lot. 
The Georgian apparently was using WiFi calling because she has an iPhone 
with a really cheap plan. How much talk? Over 1800 minutes last month. 
Nearly $60 in overage charge.

I upgraded the flip to an Android and changed from the business plan to 
the Unlimited Family Share plan that has no limits of any kind, and it 
will cost less than the plan I had.

Sprint is going away from the 2 year contracts, changing to "leasing" 
the phones where you pay an additional amount each month until it's paid 
off, but you can pay more at any time to lower the monthly charge or pay 
the phone off completely. Dunno why they call it a "lease" when you are 
buying the phone.

The Sprint Customer Care people are much easier to deal with than many 
of them that work at Sprint stores.

My Galaxy S4 SPH-L720T did a faceplant onto a tile floor. Cracked the 
(supposedly almost crack-proof) Gorilla glass and destroyed the display 
and digitizer. Could still receive calls thanks to the real Home button. 
(I NEVER want to own a phone without that feature.)

I bought a used Galaxy S4 SPH-L720 (not Tri-band) off eBay real cheap. 
Local Sprint store said there was no way to activate it because someone 
had tried and failed to change it to another carrier. Rght. Pull the 
other one.

I called Sprint Customer Care, gave the guy the decimal IMEI and he told 
me the dial command to manually start Hand-Free Setup and in a couple of 
minutes it was hooked up. Same thing the store guy could have done.

If you need to copy apps and all your other data between two different 
phones, WonderShare MobileTrans. Samsung Kies or Samsung SmartSwitch 
will only copy text messages, call logs, contacts, lock screen settings 
and other non-app stuff. They can only restore apps to the same phone it 
was backed up from. MobileTrans claims to be able to restore stuff from 
a Kies backup to a different phone but it's limited to the same stuff as 
the Samsung software. Kies will download and install firmware updates.

On my broken phone I was fortunate in that I had USB debugging turned 
on. That enabled me to use ADB (Android Debug Bridge) and Vysor (an 
addon for the Google Chrome web browser) to mirror the phone display to 
my desktop computer and use the mouse on the virtual screen just like 
touching the phone. You need to use the Android SDK manager to download 
the Platform Tools (nothing else from that required) so ADB will be 
setup properly. Open a command prompt where adb.exe is located then 
enter ADB devices. That should run the ADB server daemon and find your 
connected phone. Then Vysor *should* find your phone. (It doesn't work 
with my old Photon Q that I had to switch to while waiting on my 
replacement S4.)


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Re: [Emc-users] [Emc-developers] Off topic question - Need help with remote cell phone data connection via site to site VPN

[Gregg Eshelman]

On 10/17/2015 4:40 PM, Jack Coats wrote:
> if you need real encryption, put in a netscreen 5 on each end and get a
> signed certificate for them.  When working for IT at a bank, we used them
> for our wire transfers for international wires,  It can be hard core
> encryption.  Once set up, it is dead easy to use.  Netscreen 5 refurb is
> $125 or so on Amazon.  New $600.  Owned by Juniper Networks now days.

Juniper is still around? Wayyy back I used to have a pair of Juniper 
RS232-C concentrators. They had 6 or 8 ports to connect computers or 
other serial devices and one "high speed" port on each that could be 
connected with quite a long cable.

Could not give the things away.

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Re: [Emc-users] [Emc-developers] Off topic question - Need help with remote cell phone data connection via site to site VPN

[Jack Coats]

if you need real encryption, put in a netscreen 5 on each end and get a
signed certificate for them.  When working for IT at a bank, we used them
for our wire transfers for international wires,  It can be hard core
encryption.  Once set up, it is dead easy to use.  Netscreen 5 refurb is
$125 or so on Amazon.  New $600.  Owned by Juniper Networks now days.

On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Jack Coats  wrote:

> i used sprint for primary internet for a while.  Last few years I have
> Exede satellite feed.  it is about $100/mo for 15GB, and $10/G additional
> use,  Other plans are available.  It is pretty solid.  I'd still go for a
> wired feed to keep costs down. (No DSL or cable available)
>
> On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Dave Cole 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I need a fast connection as we want to be able to do remote video and
>> also do debugging of the PLC control remotely via the comm link with the
>> help of a remote video camera.
>>
>> One problem that I am having is that Sprint wants to control what device
>> I use.   They literally offer one device at a time and the last one was
>> a 4G router that only supports VPN Passthrough even though they were
>> "sure" that it would support a site to site VPN connection.
>> I don't want to have two remote routers or boxes in the cabinet. Cost is
>> not a problem.   The Netgear 6100D I have used is $200 and that is
>> considered very cheap.  $600 would not be out of line if it can do what
>> we want and has a fairly wide temperature range. This device will be in
>> a box mounted outside.
>>
>> I can't use OpenVPN because there is no PC or server at the remote site.
>>
>> A GSM solution with AT would be ideal if they have sufficient coverage
>> since swapping out the 4G router would only require swapping the SIM
>> card instead of going through the ridiculous device activation routine
>> that Sprint and Verizon requires.
>>
>> I think that AT will be my next call.  I've pretty much run out of
>> patience with Sprint.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On 10/16/2015 11:50 PM, Tom Easterday wrote:
>> > You didn't say what kind of throughput you need nor what your budget is
>> but one option is something like a Cisco RV320 on each end with 4G modems
>> attached.  You can see a review of the router here:
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/lanwan/lanwan-reviews/32317-cisco-rv320-dual-gigabit-wan-vpn-router-reviewed?limitstart=0
>> >
>> > There is also a you tube video on configuring the modem:
>> http://youtu.be/RXerRGEZFEI
>> >
>> > I recommended the RV180 for a friend's business that needed sts vpn
>> (over public internet, not over cellular) and it worked well for him and he
>> said it was easy for them to set up and use.
>> >
>> > There are of course other more diy setups using cell phones with
>> tethering and using OpenVPN or such on your own processors.  But you have
>> to be careful as carriers may try to limit or block always on use of
>> tethering and data plans may not fit your requirements.  Or you get some
>> cellular wifi hotspots and use them with OpenVPN.
>> > See:
>> >
>> http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/other/security/security-howto/30353-how-to-set-up-a-site-to-site-vpn-with-openvpn
>> >
>> >> On Oct 16, 2015, at 3:08 PM, Dave Cole 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Key points - need help with a data cell phone connection to remote
>> >> equipment via a VPN.
>> >>
>> >> Guys,
>> >>
>> >> I'm working with some remotely located equipment and I need to
>> establish
>> >> a comm link to it.
>> >>
>> >> We have decided to go with a cell phone data connection.   We want to
>> be
>> >> able to remotely access this equipment via a "site to site" VPN.
>> >> This is different than a client/server VPN connection that people
>> >> oftentimes use to connect back to corporate headquarters for email,
>> file
>> >> sharing etc.
>> >>
>> >> The remote equipment is ethernet based but it is not a generic PC, it's
>> >> a PLC.   So I need the remote cell phone modem/router to do all of the
>> >> work of encrypting the data, establishing the VPN tunnel, etc.  It
>> needs
>> >> to be a VPN Router with a 4G modem built in that supports a "site to
>> >> site connection" and not just be a Router with VPN passthrough.
>> >>
>> >> Sprint sells a Netgear 6100D 4G router that is suppose to do this. I
>> >> bought it and then Sprint told me that they will not support remote
>> >> access on this device!
>> >>
>> >> Does anyone have any experience in doing this?   I've been talking to
>> >> "experts" at Sprint and they want me to use a Sprint approved 4G
>> >> cell/router that only supports VPN pass through after I have told them
>> >> over and over that I need to do a site to site VPN with their 4G router
>> >> acting as a VPN endpoint.
>> >>
>> >> Sadly, they don't understand the requirements.
>> >>
>> >> Ironically, TP Link sells a "wired" VPN router for about $60 that does
>> >> what I need, so I could "stack" routers to do 

Re: [Emc-users] [Emc-developers] Off topic question - Need help with remote cell phone data connection via site to site VPN

[Jack Coats]

i used sprint for primary internet for a while.  Last few years I have
Exede satellite feed.  it is about $100/mo for 15GB, and $10/G additional
use,  Other plans are available.  It is pretty solid.  I'd still go for a
wired feed to keep costs down. (No DSL or cable available)

On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Dave Cole  wrote:

>
> I need a fast connection as we want to be able to do remote video and
> also do debugging of the PLC control remotely via the comm link with the
> help of a remote video camera.
>
> One problem that I am having is that Sprint wants to control what device
> I use.   They literally offer one device at a time and the last one was
> a 4G router that only supports VPN Passthrough even though they were
> "sure" that it would support a site to site VPN connection.
> I don't want to have two remote routers or boxes in the cabinet. Cost is
> not a problem.   The Netgear 6100D I have used is $200 and that is
> considered very cheap.  $600 would not be out of line if it can do what
> we want and has a fairly wide temperature range. This device will be in
> a box mounted outside.
>
> I can't use OpenVPN because there is no PC or server at the remote site.
>
> A GSM solution with AT would be ideal if they have sufficient coverage
> since swapping out the 4G router would only require swapping the SIM
> card instead of going through the ridiculous device activation routine
> that Sprint and Verizon requires.
>
> I think that AT will be my next call.  I've pretty much run out of
> patience with Sprint.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave
>
> On 10/16/2015 11:50 PM, Tom Easterday wrote:
> > You didn't say what kind of throughput you need nor what your budget is
> but one option is something like a Cisco RV320 on each end with 4G modems
> attached.  You can see a review of the router here:
> >
> >
> http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/lanwan/lanwan-reviews/32317-cisco-rv320-dual-gigabit-wan-vpn-router-reviewed?limitstart=0
> >
> > There is also a you tube video on configuring the modem:
> http://youtu.be/RXerRGEZFEI
> >
> > I recommended the RV180 for a friend's business that needed sts vpn
> (over public internet, not over cellular) and it worked well for him and he
> said it was easy for them to set up and use.
> >
> > There are of course other more diy setups using cell phones with
> tethering and using OpenVPN or such on your own processors.  But you have
> to be careful as carriers may try to limit or block always on use of
> tethering and data plans may not fit your requirements.  Or you get some
> cellular wifi hotspots and use them with OpenVPN.
> > See:
> >
> http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/other/security/security-howto/30353-how-to-set-up-a-site-to-site-vpn-with-openvpn
> >
> >> On Oct 16, 2015, at 3:08 PM, Dave Cole  wrote:
> >>
> >> Key points - need help with a data cell phone connection to remote
> >> equipment via a VPN.
> >>
> >> Guys,
> >>
> >> I'm working with some remotely located equipment and I need to establish
> >> a comm link to it.
> >>
> >> We have decided to go with a cell phone data connection.   We want to be
> >> able to remotely access this equipment via a "site to site" VPN.
> >> This is different than a client/server VPN connection that people
> >> oftentimes use to connect back to corporate headquarters for email, file
> >> sharing etc.
> >>
> >> The remote equipment is ethernet based but it is not a generic PC, it's
> >> a PLC.   So I need the remote cell phone modem/router to do all of the
> >> work of encrypting the data, establishing the VPN tunnel, etc.  It needs
> >> to be a VPN Router with a 4G modem built in that supports a "site to
> >> site connection" and not just be a Router with VPN passthrough.
> >>
> >> Sprint sells a Netgear 6100D 4G router that is suppose to do this. I
> >> bought it and then Sprint told me that they will not support remote
> >> access on this device!
> >>
> >> Does anyone have any experience in doing this?   I've been talking to
> >> "experts" at Sprint and they want me to use a Sprint approved 4G
> >> cell/router that only supports VPN pass through after I have told them
> >> over and over that I need to do a site to site VPN with their 4G router
> >> acting as a VPN endpoint.
> >>
> >> Sadly, they don't understand the requirements.
> >>
> >> Ironically, TP Link sells a "wired" VPN router for about $60 that does
> >> what I need, so I could "stack" routers to do what I need, but I really
> >> don't want to have two routers in the remote control box.
> >>
> >> There are some really brilliant people on this list so I am hoping that
> >> someone can give me some advice/direction etc.
> >>
> >> Thank You!
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >> ---
> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
> >>
> >>
> >>
> --
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> >> 

Re: [Emc-users] [Emc-developers] Off topic question - Need help with remote cell phone data connection via site to site VPN

[Dave Cole]

I need a fast connection as we want to be able to do remote video and 
also do debugging of the PLC control remotely via the comm link with the 
help of a remote video camera.

One problem that I am having is that Sprint wants to control what device 
I use.   They literally offer one device at a time and the last one was 
a 4G router that only supports VPN Passthrough even though they were 
"sure" that it would support a site to site VPN connection.
I don't want to have two remote routers or boxes in the cabinet. Cost is 
not a problem.   The Netgear 6100D I have used is $200 and that is 
considered very cheap.  $600 would not be out of line if it can do what 
we want and has a fairly wide temperature range. This device will be in 
a box mounted outside.

I can't use OpenVPN because there is no PC or server at the remote site.

A GSM solution with AT would be ideal if they have sufficient coverage 
since swapping out the 4G router would only require swapping the SIM 
card instead of going through the ridiculous device activation routine 
that Sprint and Verizon requires.

I think that AT will be my next call.  I've pretty much run out of 
patience with Sprint.

Thanks,

Dave

On 10/16/2015 11:50 PM, Tom Easterday wrote:
> You didn't say what kind of throughput you need nor what your budget is but 
> one option is something like a Cisco RV320 on each end with 4G modems 
> attached.  You can see a review of the router here:
>
> http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/lanwan/lanwan-reviews/32317-cisco-rv320-dual-gigabit-wan-vpn-router-reviewed?limitstart=0
>
> There is also a you tube video on configuring the modem: 
> http://youtu.be/RXerRGEZFEI
>
> I recommended the RV180 for a friend's business that needed sts vpn (over 
> public internet, not over cellular) and it worked well for him and he said it 
> was easy for them to set up and use.
>
> There are of course other more diy setups using cell phones with tethering 
> and using OpenVPN or such on your own processors.  But you have to be careful 
> as carriers may try to limit or block always on use of tethering and data 
> plans may not fit your requirements.  Or you get some cellular wifi hotspots 
> and use them with OpenVPN.
> See:
> http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/other/security/security-howto/30353-how-to-set-up-a-site-to-site-vpn-with-openvpn
>
>> On Oct 16, 2015, at 3:08 PM, Dave Cole  wrote:
>>
>> Key points - need help with a data cell phone connection to remote
>> equipment via a VPN.
>>
>> Guys,
>>
>> I'm working with some remotely located equipment and I need to establish
>> a comm link to it.
>>
>> We have decided to go with a cell phone data connection.   We want to be
>> able to remotely access this equipment via a "site to site" VPN.
>> This is different than a client/server VPN connection that people
>> oftentimes use to connect back to corporate headquarters for email, file
>> sharing etc.
>>
>> The remote equipment is ethernet based but it is not a generic PC, it's
>> a PLC.   So I need the remote cell phone modem/router to do all of the
>> work of encrypting the data, establishing the VPN tunnel, etc.  It needs
>> to be a VPN Router with a 4G modem built in that supports a "site to
>> site connection" and not just be a Router with VPN passthrough.
>>
>> Sprint sells a Netgear 6100D 4G router that is suppose to do this. I
>> bought it and then Sprint told me that they will not support remote
>> access on this device!
>>
>> Does anyone have any experience in doing this?   I've been talking to
>> "experts" at Sprint and they want me to use a Sprint approved 4G
>> cell/router that only supports VPN pass through after I have told them
>> over and over that I need to do a site to site VPN with their 4G router
>> acting as a VPN endpoint.
>>
>> Sadly, they don't understand the requirements.
>>
>> Ironically, TP Link sells a "wired" VPN router for about $60 that does
>> what I need, so I could "stack" routers to do what I need, but I really
>> don't want to have two routers in the remote control box.
>>
>> There are some really brilliant people on this list so I am hoping that
>> someone can give me some advice/direction etc.
>>
>> Thank You!
>>
>> Dave
>>
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Re: [Emc-users] [Emc-developers] Off topic question - Need help with remote cell phone data connection via site to site VPN

[Jerry Scharf]

Sorry, that's cloud based. bad fingers!

On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 2:09 PM, Jerry Scharf  wrote:

> Dave,
>
> It might be possible to get a could based VPN service that supports the
> phones and other devices in question. The idea is that this are some known
> end points that all the devices connect to and establish an ad hoc VPN. I
> have not used any of these services and have absolutely no idea of the
> bandwidth to expect, but it would be far and away the easiest way to get
> devices that are really only end stations to connect to each other.
>
> jerry
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Dave Cole 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I need a fast connection as we want to be able to do remote video and
>> also do debugging of the PLC control remotely via the comm link with the
>> help of a remote video camera.
>>
>> One problem that I am having is that Sprint wants to control what device
>> I use.   They literally offer one device at a time and the last one was
>> a 4G router that only supports VPN Passthrough even though they were
>> "sure" that it would support a site to site VPN connection.
>> I don't want to have two remote routers or boxes in the cabinet. Cost is
>> not a problem.   The Netgear 6100D I have used is $200 and that is
>> considered very cheap.  $600 would not be out of line if it can do what
>> we want and has a fairly wide temperature range. This device will be in
>> a box mounted outside.
>>
>> I can't use OpenVPN because there is no PC or server at the remote site.
>>
>> A GSM solution with AT would be ideal if they have sufficient coverage
>> since swapping out the 4G router would only require swapping the SIM
>> card instead of going through the ridiculous device activation routine
>> that Sprint and Verizon requires.
>>
>> I think that AT will be my next call.  I've pretty much run out of
>> patience with Sprint.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On 10/16/2015 11:50 PM, Tom Easterday wrote:
>> > You didn't say what kind of throughput you need nor what your budget is
>> but one option is something like a Cisco RV320 on each end with 4G modems
>> attached.  You can see a review of the router here:
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/lanwan/lanwan-reviews/32317-cisco-rv320-dual-gigabit-wan-vpn-router-reviewed?limitstart=0
>> >
>> > There is also a you tube video on configuring the modem:
>> http://youtu.be/RXerRGEZFEI
>> >
>> > I recommended the RV180 for a friend's business that needed sts vpn
>> (over public internet, not over cellular) and it worked well for him and he
>> said it was easy for them to set up and use.
>> >
>> > There are of course other more diy setups using cell phones with
>> tethering and using OpenVPN or such on your own processors.  But you have
>> to be careful as carriers may try to limit or block always on use of
>> tethering and data plans may not fit your requirements.  Or you get some
>> cellular wifi hotspots and use them with OpenVPN.
>> > See:
>> >
>> http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/other/security/security-howto/30353-how-to-set-up-a-site-to-site-vpn-with-openvpn
>> >
>> >> On Oct 16, 2015, at 3:08 PM, Dave Cole 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Key points - need help with a data cell phone connection to remote
>> >> equipment via a VPN.
>> >>
>> >> Guys,
>> >>
>> >> I'm working with some remotely located equipment and I need to
>> establish
>> >> a comm link to it.
>> >>
>> >> We have decided to go with a cell phone data connection.   We want to
>> be
>> >> able to remotely access this equipment via a "site to site" VPN.
>> >> This is different than a client/server VPN connection that people
>> >> oftentimes use to connect back to corporate headquarters for email,
>> file
>> >> sharing etc.
>> >>
>> >> The remote equipment is ethernet based but it is not a generic PC, it's
>> >> a PLC.   So I need the remote cell phone modem/router to do all of the
>> >> work of encrypting the data, establishing the VPN tunnel, etc.  It
>> needs
>> >> to be a VPN Router with a 4G modem built in that supports a "site to
>> >> site connection" and not just be a Router with VPN passthrough.
>> >>
>> >> Sprint sells a Netgear 6100D 4G router that is suppose to do this. I
>> >> bought it and then Sprint told me that they will not support remote
>> >> access on this device!
>> >>
>> >> Does anyone have any experience in doing this?   I've been talking to
>> >> "experts" at Sprint and they want me to use a Sprint approved 4G
>> >> cell/router that only supports VPN pass through after I have told them
>> >> over and over that I need to do a site to site VPN with their 4G router
>> >> acting as a VPN endpoint.
>> >>
>> >> Sadly, they don't understand the requirements.
>> >>
>> >> Ironically, TP Link sells a "wired" VPN router for about $60 that does
>> >> what I need, so I could "stack" routers to do what I need, but I really
>> >> don't want to have two routers in the remote control box.
>> >>
>> >> There are some really 

Re: [Emc-users] [Emc-developers] Off topic question - Need help with remote cell phone data connection via site to site VPN

[Jerry Scharf]

Dave,

It might be possible to get a could based VPN service that supports the
phones and other devices in question. The idea is that this are some known
end points that all the devices connect to and establish an ad hoc VPN. I
have not used any of these services and have absolutely no idea of the
bandwidth to expect, but it would be far and away the easiest way to get
devices that are really only end stations to connect to each other.

jerry


On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Dave Cole  wrote:

>
> I need a fast connection as we want to be able to do remote video and
> also do debugging of the PLC control remotely via the comm link with the
> help of a remote video camera.
>
> One problem that I am having is that Sprint wants to control what device
> I use.   They literally offer one device at a time and the last one was
> a 4G router that only supports VPN Passthrough even though they were
> "sure" that it would support a site to site VPN connection.
> I don't want to have two remote routers or boxes in the cabinet. Cost is
> not a problem.   The Netgear 6100D I have used is $200 and that is
> considered very cheap.  $600 would not be out of line if it can do what
> we want and has a fairly wide temperature range. This device will be in
> a box mounted outside.
>
> I can't use OpenVPN because there is no PC or server at the remote site.
>
> A GSM solution with AT would be ideal if they have sufficient coverage
> since swapping out the 4G router would only require swapping the SIM
> card instead of going through the ridiculous device activation routine
> that Sprint and Verizon requires.
>
> I think that AT will be my next call.  I've pretty much run out of
> patience with Sprint.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave
>
> On 10/16/2015 11:50 PM, Tom Easterday wrote:
> > You didn't say what kind of throughput you need nor what your budget is
> but one option is something like a Cisco RV320 on each end with 4G modems
> attached.  You can see a review of the router here:
> >
> >
> http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/lanwan/lanwan-reviews/32317-cisco-rv320-dual-gigabit-wan-vpn-router-reviewed?limitstart=0
> >
> > There is also a you tube video on configuring the modem:
> http://youtu.be/RXerRGEZFEI
> >
> > I recommended the RV180 for a friend's business that needed sts vpn
> (over public internet, not over cellular) and it worked well for him and he
> said it was easy for them to set up and use.
> >
> > There are of course other more diy setups using cell phones with
> tethering and using OpenVPN or such on your own processors.  But you have
> to be careful as carriers may try to limit or block always on use of
> tethering and data plans may not fit your requirements.  Or you get some
> cellular wifi hotspots and use them with OpenVPN.
> > See:
> >
> http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/other/security/security-howto/30353-how-to-set-up-a-site-to-site-vpn-with-openvpn
> >
> >> On Oct 16, 2015, at 3:08 PM, Dave Cole  wrote:
> >>
> >> Key points - need help with a data cell phone connection to remote
> >> equipment via a VPN.
> >>
> >> Guys,
> >>
> >> I'm working with some remotely located equipment and I need to establish
> >> a comm link to it.
> >>
> >> We have decided to go with a cell phone data connection.   We want to be
> >> able to remotely access this equipment via a "site to site" VPN.
> >> This is different than a client/server VPN connection that people
> >> oftentimes use to connect back to corporate headquarters for email, file
> >> sharing etc.
> >>
> >> The remote equipment is ethernet based but it is not a generic PC, it's
> >> a PLC.   So I need the remote cell phone modem/router to do all of the
> >> work of encrypting the data, establishing the VPN tunnel, etc.  It needs
> >> to be a VPN Router with a 4G modem built in that supports a "site to
> >> site connection" and not just be a Router with VPN passthrough.
> >>
> >> Sprint sells a Netgear 6100D 4G router that is suppose to do this. I
> >> bought it and then Sprint told me that they will not support remote
> >> access on this device!
> >>
> >> Does anyone have any experience in doing this?   I've been talking to
> >> "experts" at Sprint and they want me to use a Sprint approved 4G
> >> cell/router that only supports VPN pass through after I have told them
> >> over and over that I need to do a site to site VPN with their 4G router
> >> acting as a VPN endpoint.
> >>
> >> Sadly, they don't understand the requirements.
> >>
> >> Ironically, TP Link sells a "wired" VPN router for about $60 that does
> >> what I need, so I could "stack" routers to do what I need, but I really
> >> don't want to have two routers in the remote control box.
> >>
> >> There are some really brilliant people on this list so I am hoping that
> >> someone can give me some advice/direction etc.
> >>
> >> Thank You!
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >> ---
> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> >> 

Re: [Emc-users] [Emc-developers] Off topic question - Need help with remote cell phone data connection via site to site VPN

[Dave Cole]

That could be a work around for uncooperative cell phone companies, but 
it would make things much more complex.
I didn't realize that Google has a VPN cloud solution.

Thanks,  Dave

On 10/17/2015 5:09 PM, Jerry Scharf wrote:
> Sorry, that's cloud based. bad fingers!
>
> On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 2:09 PM, Jerry Scharf  wrote:
>
>> Dave,
>>
>> It might be possible to get a could based VPN service that supports the
>> phones and other devices in question. The idea is that this are some known
>> end points that all the devices connect to and establish an ad hoc VPN. I
>> have not used any of these services and have absolutely no idea of the
>> bandwidth to expect, but it would be far and away the easiest way to get
>> devices that are really only end stations to connect to each other.
>>
>> jerry
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Dave Cole 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I need a fast connection as we want to be able to do remote video and
>>> also do debugging of the PLC control remotely via the comm link with the
>>> help of a remote video camera.
>>>
>>> One problem that I am having is that Sprint wants to control what device
>>> I use.   They literally offer one device at a time and the last one was
>>> a 4G router that only supports VPN Passthrough even though they were
>>> "sure" that it would support a site to site VPN connection.
>>> I don't want to have two remote routers or boxes in the cabinet. Cost is
>>> not a problem.   The Netgear 6100D I have used is $200 and that is
>>> considered very cheap.  $600 would not be out of line if it can do what
>>> we want and has a fairly wide temperature range. This device will be in
>>> a box mounted outside.
>>>
>>> I can't use OpenVPN because there is no PC or server at the remote site.
>>>
>>> A GSM solution with AT would be ideal if they have sufficient coverage
>>> since swapping out the 4G router would only require swapping the SIM
>>> card instead of going through the ridiculous device activation routine
>>> that Sprint and Verizon requires.
>>>
>>> I think that AT will be my next call.  I've pretty much run out of
>>> patience with Sprint.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On 10/16/2015 11:50 PM, Tom Easterday wrote:
 You didn't say what kind of throughput you need nor what your budget is
>>> but one option is something like a Cisco RV320 on each end with 4G modems
>>> attached.  You can see a review of the router here:

>>> http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/lanwan/lanwan-reviews/32317-cisco-rv320-dual-gigabit-wan-vpn-router-reviewed?limitstart=0
 There is also a you tube video on configuring the modem:
>>> http://youtu.be/RXerRGEZFEI
 I recommended the RV180 for a friend's business that needed sts vpn
>>> (over public internet, not over cellular) and it worked well for him and he
>>> said it was easy for them to set up and use.
 There are of course other more diy setups using cell phones with
>>> tethering and using OpenVPN or such on your own processors.  But you have
>>> to be careful as carriers may try to limit or block always on use of
>>> tethering and data plans may not fit your requirements.  Or you get some
>>> cellular wifi hotspots and use them with OpenVPN.
 See:

>>> http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/other/security/security-howto/30353-how-to-set-up-a-site-to-site-vpn-with-openvpn
> On Oct 16, 2015, at 3:08 PM, Dave Cole 
>>> wrote:
> Key points - need help with a data cell phone connection to remote
> equipment via a VPN.
>
> Guys,
>
> I'm working with some remotely located equipment and I need to
>>> establish
> a comm link to it.
>
> We have decided to go with a cell phone data connection.   We want to
>>> be
> able to remotely access this equipment via a "site to site" VPN.
> This is different than a client/server VPN connection that people
> oftentimes use to connect back to corporate headquarters for email,
>>> file
> sharing etc.
>
> The remote equipment is ethernet based but it is not a generic PC, it's
> a PLC.   So I need the remote cell phone modem/router to do all of the
> work of encrypting the data, establishing the VPN tunnel, etc.  It
>>> needs
> to be a VPN Router with a 4G modem built in that supports a "site to
> site connection" and not just be a Router with VPN passthrough.
>
> Sprint sells a Netgear 6100D 4G router that is suppose to do this. I
> bought it and then Sprint told me that they will not support remote
> access on this device!
>
> Does anyone have any experience in doing this?   I've been talking to
> "experts" at Sprint and they want me to use a Sprint approved 4G
> cell/router that only supports VPN pass through after I have told them
> over and over that I need to do a site to site VPN with their 4G router
> acting as a VPN endpoint.
>
> Sadly, they don't understand the requirements.
>

Re: [Emc-users] [Emc-developers] Off topic question - Need help with remote cell phone data connection via site to site VPN

[Bruce Layne]

I don't know if this will help, but I recently started to take advantage 
of the cellular data plan that I'd been buying from T-Mobile for well 
over a year.  The local monopoly cable company, Time Warner, was 
terrible.  Like all monopolies, a bad product and worse customer 
service.  I'd call for their semi-weekly outage (I'm in town, not some 
rural area) and I'd get the run around.  After 60 such outages, yes, I 
know to turn my computer off and then back on again!  Once, a young 
woman told me, "Sorry, I don't know much about computer stuff."  To 
which I replied, "Is that why you're answering the technical support 
line for a high speed internet service provider?"  After the cable 
company monopoly, I tried the internet service from the local telephone 
company monopoly.  Better is a relative term.  Not as bad as Time 
Warner, I'd rate them a lighter shade of awful.  The last straw was back 
in June when they told me that the cheap DSL modems they supply that are 
only good for a year or less are no longer included in the high priced 
service and they were going to charge me $7 more per month on my 
"guaranteed never to increase in price" locked-in-for-life plan.

Fortunately, I got in early on the T-Mobile data plan that's truly 
unlimited on the mobile devices.  The 4G LTE mobile data is way faster 
than Time Warner, way WAY faster than DSL from Windstream, and FAR more 
reliable than either.  If a cell tower is hit by lightening or has any 
other problem, the next closest cell tower takes over seamlessly.  There 
are apparently no single point failure modes and so far they've been 
100% reliable.

Since the switch, I have used my large screen phone for videos, but I 
actually prefer that.  My wife and I have unlimited data to the phones 
and 7GB a month on each of the phones for tethering to our computers for 
email, web browsing, occasional YouTubage, etc.  In addition, I bought a 
mobile hotspot for around $50 and I think I'm paying $10 a month for 5GB 
of mobile data on the hot spot.  If all you need is occasional high 
speed data (fast, but not very often), then a mobile hot spot may be 
your best solution.  Tethering on the phones shuts down and needs to be 
restarted, but I leave the hot spot connected via WiFi to my Linux 
notebook PC all the time, and it's also connected to a WiFi adapter to 
put my big laser printer on the hot spot's WiFi network.

Caveats:

T-Mobile apparently no longer offers the unlimited data plan for 
phones.  That's a great deal.  The hot spot data plans are much more 
expensive on a per GB basis, but not a deal breaker if you need 
occasional high bandwidth internet service.

If your machine is buried deep in a metal building, or you're running a 
machine shop in a pole barn 20 miles from the nearest cell tower, you 
may not get cellular data.

Pros:

Cell phone companies may be a bit weaselly but they are competing for 
your business so you aren't dealing with the customer hostile jerks at 
the cable company or the phone company.

4G LTE data is fast and reliable.

Cellular data tethering is awesome.  I love having the internet in my 
pocket.  I no longer need to run ethernet cable to my LinuxCNC machines 
in the shop.  I carry a WiFi USB dongle in my pocket (they finally make 
a good one that's Linux plug-n-play), and I use my cell phone to connect 
the CNC machine to the internet only when I need to download an 
update... or watch YouTube videos while machining.  :-)



I don't know if any of that helps with your problem, but I hope so. I do 
know that I've been very happy to be free of Time Warner and 
Windstream.  I'd tell you what I really think of them, but this is a 
family friendly email list.  I now have faster and more reliable 
service, no hassles, and I'm saving about $50 per month.





On 10/17/2015 04:20 PM, Dave Cole wrote:
> I need a fast connection as we want to be able to do remote video and
> also do debugging of the PLC control remotely via the comm link with the
> help of a remote video camera.
>
> One problem that I am having is that Sprint wants to control what device
> I use.   They literally offer one device at a time and the last one was
> a 4G router that only supports VPN Passthrough even though they were
> "sure" that it would support a site to site VPN connection.
> I don't want to have two remote routers or boxes in the cabinet. Cost is
> not a problem.   The Netgear 6100D I have used is $200 and that is
> considered very cheap.  $600 would not be out of line if it can do what
> we want and has a fairly wide temperature range. This device will be in
> a box mounted outside.
>
> I can't use OpenVPN because there is no PC or server at the remote site.
>
> A GSM solution with AT would be ideal if they have sufficient coverage
> since swapping out the 4G router would only require swapping the SIM
> card instead of going through the ridiculous device activation routine
> that Sprint and Verizon requires.
>
> I think that AT will be my 

Re: [Emc-users] [Emc-developers] Off topic question - Need help with remote cell phone data connection via site to site VPN

[Jerry Scharf]

Dave,

I am guessing it makes things simpler. Wherever you go, whatever the
device, no matter how many devices (depending on the service plan, of
course,) you just connect to the cloud service and go. Just remember that
the VPN service sees the unencrypted data and Google analyzes everything.
Not a problem in your case, but something I always keep in mind.

jerry


On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 2:42 PM, Dave Cole  wrote:

> That could be a work around for uncooperative cell phone companies, but
> it would make things much more complex.
> I didn't realize that Google has a VPN cloud solution.
>
> Thanks,  Dave
>
> On 10/17/2015 5:09 PM, Jerry Scharf wrote:
> > Sorry, that's cloud based. bad fingers!
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 2:09 PM, Jerry Scharf 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Dave,
> >>
> >> It might be possible to get a could based VPN service that supports the
> >> phones and other devices in question. The idea is that this are some
> known
> >> end points that all the devices connect to and establish an ad hoc VPN.
> I
> >> have not used any of these services and have absolutely no idea of the
> >> bandwidth to expect, but it would be far and away the easiest way to get
> >> devices that are really only end stations to connect to each other.
> >>
> >> jerry
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Dave Cole 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I need a fast connection as we want to be able to do remote video and
> >>> also do debugging of the PLC control remotely via the comm link with
> the
> >>> help of a remote video camera.
> >>>
> >>> One problem that I am having is that Sprint wants to control what
> device
> >>> I use.   They literally offer one device at a time and the last one was
> >>> a 4G router that only supports VPN Passthrough even though they were
> >>> "sure" that it would support a site to site VPN connection.
> >>> I don't want to have two remote routers or boxes in the cabinet. Cost
> is
> >>> not a problem.   The Netgear 6100D I have used is $200 and that is
> >>> considered very cheap.  $600 would not be out of line if it can do what
> >>> we want and has a fairly wide temperature range. This device will be in
> >>> a box mounted outside.
> >>>
> >>> I can't use OpenVPN because there is no PC or server at the remote
> site.
> >>>
> >>> A GSM solution with AT would be ideal if they have sufficient
> coverage
> >>> since swapping out the 4G router would only require swapping the SIM
> >>> card instead of going through the ridiculous device activation routine
> >>> that Sprint and Verizon requires.
> >>>
> >>> I think that AT will be my next call.  I've pretty much run out of
> >>> patience with Sprint.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Dave
> >>>
> >>> On 10/16/2015 11:50 PM, Tom Easterday wrote:
>  You didn't say what kind of throughput you need nor what your budget
> is
> >>> but one option is something like a Cisco RV320 on each end with 4G
> modems
> >>> attached.  You can see a review of the router here:
> 
> >>>
> http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/lanwan/lanwan-reviews/32317-cisco-rv320-dual-gigabit-wan-vpn-router-reviewed?limitstart=0
>  There is also a you tube video on configuring the modem:
> >>> http://youtu.be/RXerRGEZFEI
>  I recommended the RV180 for a friend's business that needed sts vpn
> >>> (over public internet, not over cellular) and it worked well for him
> and he
> >>> said it was easy for them to set up and use.
>  There are of course other more diy setups using cell phones with
> >>> tethering and using OpenVPN or such on your own processors.  But you
> have
> >>> to be careful as carriers may try to limit or block always on use of
> >>> tethering and data plans may not fit your requirements.  Or you get
> some
> >>> cellular wifi hotspots and use them with OpenVPN.
>  See:
> 
> >>>
> http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/other/security/security-howto/30353-how-to-set-up-a-site-to-site-vpn-with-openvpn
> > On Oct 16, 2015, at 3:08 PM, Dave Cole 
> >>> wrote:
> > Key points - need help with a data cell phone connection to remote
> > equipment via a VPN.
> >
> > Guys,
> >
> > I'm working with some remotely located equipment and I need to
> >>> establish
> > a comm link to it.
> >
> > We have decided to go with a cell phone data connection.   We want to
> >>> be
> > able to remotely access this equipment via a "site to site" VPN.
> > This is different than a client/server VPN connection that people
> > oftentimes use to connect back to corporate headquarters for email,
> >>> file
> > sharing etc.
> >
> > The remote equipment is ethernet based but it is not a generic PC,
> it's
> > a PLC.   So I need the remote cell phone modem/router to do all of
> the
> > work of encrypting the data, establishing the VPN tunnel, etc.  It
> >>> needs
> > to be a VPN Router with a 4G modem built in that supports