Re: [Emc-users] 2.6.7 is a crasher?

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 14 May 2015 21:08:41 Tom Easterday wrote:
> > On May 14, 2015, at 8:41 PM, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> >
> > One diff, Tom.  My mouse was also frozen where it was.  Only
> > response was to the reset button.
>
> The last one today happened just after (5 seconds) I exited Axis, so
> it MAY not be it’s fault… -Tom

My mills box, running 10.04-4 LTS and 2.6.7 went away 3 times today. 
Video looks normal, can't find the mouse pointer & the only response is 
the reset button.  This is exactly what the lathes box was doing before 
I reformatted the disk and installed the binary-hybrid.iso.

Its turned off ATM, but I'll have to go restart it before the nightly 
backup runs.

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Re: [Emc-users] 2.6.7 is a crasher?

[Tom Easterday]

> On May 14, 2015, at 8:41 PM, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> 
> One diff, Tom.  My mouse was also frozen where it was.  Only response was 
> to the reset button.

The last one today happened just after (5 seconds) I exited Axis, so it MAY not 
be it’s fault…
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Re: [Emc-users] 2.6.7 is a crasher?

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 14 May 2015 08:34:35 Tom Easterday wrote:
> > On May 13, 2015, at 5:38 PM, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > Am I the only one?
>
> A couple times now while working with an ATOM  machine running Wheezy
> and 2.7~pre6 it just hung with the screen on.  I could move the mouse
> and the cursor would move, but no response from anything menu to
> keyboard input.  I didn’t have ssh enabled or would have logged on
> from elsewhere to see if I could get in on the ethernet port and see
> what was going on.   I was hoping it was just a freak occurrence but
> now wondering… -Tom

One diff, Tom.  My mouse was also frozen where it was.  Only response was 
to the reset button.

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Re: [Emc-users] 2.6.7 is a crasher?

[Tom Easterday]

I tried unplugging mouse and keyboard but it didn’t help  I also now have three 
keyboards laying here so I tried a different one as well :-)  When I come back 
the mouse will move the cursor but there is no response and windows are frozen 
in place.  It happened again this morning and I let it sit for over any hour 
and still nothing.  I have now have ssh enabled on it so if it happens again I 
can (hopefully) get in and see what is going on.
-Tom

> On May 14, 2015, at 11:58 AM, Jon Elson  wrote:
> 
> On 05/14/2015 07:34 AM, Tom Easterday wrote:
>>> On May 13, 2015, at 5:38 PM, Gene Heskett  wrote:
>>> Am I the only one?
>> A couple times now while working with an ATOM  machine running Wheezy and 
>> 2.7~pre6 it just hung with the screen on.  I could move the mouse and the 
>> cursor would move, but no response from anything menu to keyboard input.  I 
>> didn’t have ssh enabled or would have logged on from elsewhere to see if I 
>> could get in on the ethernet port and see what was going on.   I was hoping 
>> it was just a freak occurrence but now wondering…
>> 
> Whenever this happens, I try unplugging and replugging the 
> keyboard or mouse (whichever is misbehaving).
> Sometimes old PS/2 keyboards would just crash the micro, and 
> a power cycle would bring them back.  ESD or EMI would 
> sometimes crash the USB link between the KBD/mouse and the 
> PC, so re-enumerating the device would sometimes clear 
> that.  I have had more USB freezes than with PS/2 devices, 
> and so try to avoid using USB HMI devices on the machine 
> tools.  If the cursor moves with the mouse, the CPU is not 
> dead, and is accepting interrupts.  So, it sounds like just 
> the keyboard.
> 
> Jon
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Re: [Emc-users] 2.6.7 is a crasher?

[Jon Elson]

On 05/14/2015 07:34 AM, Tom Easterday wrote:
>> On May 13, 2015, at 5:38 PM, Gene Heskett  wrote:
>> Am I the only one?
> A couple times now while working with an ATOM  machine running Wheezy and 
> 2.7~pre6 it just hung with the screen on.  I could move the mouse and the 
> cursor would move, but no response from anything menu to keyboard input.  I 
> didn’t have ssh enabled or would have logged on from elsewhere to see if I 
> could get in on the ethernet port and see what was going on.   I was hoping 
> it was just a freak occurrence but now wondering…
>
Whenever this happens, I try unplugging and replugging the 
keyboard or mouse (whichever is misbehaving).
Sometimes old PS/2 keyboards would just crash the micro, and 
a power cycle would bring them back.  ESD or EMI would 
sometimes crash the USB link between the KBD/mouse and the 
PC, so re-enumerating the device would sometimes clear 
that.  I have had more USB freezes than with PS/2 devices, 
and so try to avoid using USB HMI devices on the machine 
tools.  If the cursor moves with the mouse, the CPU is not 
dead, and is accepting interrupts.  So, it sounds like just 
the keyboard.

Jon

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Re: [Emc-users] 2.6.7 is a crasher?

[Tom Easterday]

> On May 13, 2015, at 5:38 PM, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> Am I the only one?

A couple times now while working with an ATOM  machine running Wheezy and 
2.7~pre6 it just hung with the screen on.  I could move the mouse and the 
cursor would move, but no response from anything menu to keyboard input.  I 
didn’t have ssh enabled or would have logged on from elsewhere to see if I 
could get in on the ethernet port and see what was going on.   I was hoping it 
was just a freak occurrence but now wondering…
-Tom
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Re: [Emc-users] 2.6.7 is a crasher?

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 14 May 2015 05:05:09 andy pugh wrote:
> On 14 May 2015 at 01:16, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > Screen blankers are a PITA, so where does one shut those off
> > forever?
>
> I am tempted to say "you can't".
>
> Just about the only way that I have found is a shell script that execs
> "xset -dpms"

I can put that in a hourly cron script.  X historically has a poor memory 
about that setting.  Something like
33 * * * * * xset -dpms

Done.

> A screen blanker is especially annoying with a touch screen CNC
> machine. Pressing a random button on the  screen to wake it up is a
> special kind of dangerous.

It does seem to be a way to temp fate, thats for sure.

I have the other end of that problem on this machine, it forgets those 
settings so I have a script that refreshes the dpms stuff hourly here.  
That bug has been so long in X I can't recall when I didn't have that 
entry in my user crontab.

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Re: [Emc-users] 2.6.7 is a crasher?

[Bertho Stultiens]

On 05/14/2015 11:05 AM, andy pugh wrote:
> A screen blanker is especially annoying with a touch screen CNC
> machine. Pressing a random button on the  screen to wake it up is a
> special kind of dangerous.

So that is why I see all those cut-out post-it notes on the machines ;-)


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Re: [Emc-users] 2.6.7 is a crasher?

[andy pugh]

On 14 May 2015 at 01:16, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> Screen blankers are a PITA, so where does one shut those off forever?

I am tempted to say "you can't".

Just about the only way that I have found is a shell script that execs
"xset -dpms"

A screen blanker is especially annoying with a touch screen CNC
machine. Pressing a random button on the  screen to wake it up is a
special kind of dangerous.

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Re: [Emc-users] 2.6.7 is a crasher?

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 13 May 2015 19:03:52 jrmitchellj . wrote:
> I don't allow any screen savers, blanking, or power management on my
> Atom box.  Until I did that it would crash randomly (very seldom).
> Make sure all power management is disabled in the BIOS as wll (but I
> think you know that)
>
> Ray
>
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>
Its been so long since I have had any problems with it at all on that box 
that I don't recall if any of the stuff is enabled in the bios, but I 
don't recall that I left any of that stuff alive on my initial tour.

Point being that while I did run it this afternoon for a bit, mostly 
driving it manually while I bored and tapped the 4mm bolt holes for a 
miniature Browning taperlock, I did shut it down before I left half an 
hour ago, down in the 50's & my diabetic feet were yelping their last.

I'd almost be it will not be crashed when amdump fires up in the wee 
hours.  Tomorrow I rig the rotary table again, and see if I can saw the 
slits in the taperlock hubs tapered sleeve with a new mandrel and 
diamond saw from dremel in it.  Spindle at 500 revs, feed rate 
about .0025" a minute so things don't get hot, starting with the 
diamonds.  They go away in the heat, so keep 'em cool. I find the best 
results are when I can turn out the lights, shine an led flashlight so 
the beam is down and downwind, so you can watch the dust drift away.  
Because they are not always uniformly coated, if have had to do things 
like that in teeny pieces because the wheel cuts crooked, exactly as if 
one forgot to sharpen the other sides teeth on a chain saw.

Screen blankers are a PITA, so where does one shut those off forever?

Thanks J. Ray

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Re: [Emc-users] 2.6.7 is a crasher?

[jrmitchellj .]

I don't allow any screen savers, blanking, or power management on my Atom
box.  Until I did that it would crash randomly (very seldom).
Make sure all power management is disabled in the BIOS as wll (but I think
you know that)

Ray

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On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Gene Heskett  wrote:

> On Wednesday 13 May 2015 13:17:05 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Wednesday 13 May 2015 12:08:19 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > Greetings all;
> > >
> > > I left 2.6.7 running last night on the shop machine so I wouldn't
> > > lose my home positions.  It crashed sometime in the night, before
> > > amdump ran.
> > >
> > > I am connecting the dots, and they point at 2.6.7.
> > >
> > > I'll get a good backup tonight, and the new install iso applied &
> > > switch it to master in the next few days.
> > >
> > > I got the 5i25 card from PCW yesterday too, but haven't installed it
> > > yet. So I must get printouts of the current ini and hal files for
> > > conversion references.
> > >
> > > Master, 2.8.0pre1 something, seems to be dead stable on the lathe.
> > > Essentially zero problems since I fixed the ini file to put it in a
> > > known state at startup.
> > >
> > > Cheers, Gene Heskett
> >
> > PS:
> > I went out and  turned the monitor on, but the blanker must have
> > kicked in before the crash, so I hit the reset button, and left it
> > running 2.6.8 just for S&G.  Otherwise the crash matched the lathes
> > crashing on 2.6.7.  Nothing contaminated if the blanketr hadn't kicked
> > in, just no response to anything but the reset button.
> >
> > Gotta run. Dr appointment in half an hour, 20 minutes up the road.
>
> PS #2:
>
> Turned out I was a day early, so I went on around to see if I could find
> some fresh 4mm,.70 taps.  Struck out.  Came home, tried to log back into
> shop, crashed, and this was 2.6.8 that I left running, doing zip, but
> running.
>
> So my finger gets pointed a bit mpore directly at the 2.6.7 and 2.6.8 as
> being the cause of the crash.  Until I left 2.6.7 running last night,
> the uptime reading was in months.
>
> Am I the only one?
>
> Thanks guys.
>
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Re: [Emc-users] 2.6.7 is a crasher?

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 13 May 2015 13:17:05 Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Wednesday 13 May 2015 12:08:19 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Greetings all;
> >
> > I left 2.6.7 running last night on the shop machine so I wouldn't
> > lose my home positions.  It crashed sometime in the night, before
> > amdump ran.
> >
> > I am connecting the dots, and they point at 2.6.7.
> >
> > I'll get a good backup tonight, and the new install iso applied &
> > switch it to master in the next few days.
> >
> > I got the 5i25 card from PCW yesterday too, but haven't installed it
> > yet. So I must get printouts of the current ini and hal files for
> > conversion references.
> >
> > Master, 2.8.0pre1 something, seems to be dead stable on the lathe.
> > Essentially zero problems since I fixed the ini file to put it in a
> > known state at startup.
> >
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
>
> PS:
> I went out and  turned the monitor on, but the blanker must have
> kicked in before the crash, so I hit the reset button, and left it
> running 2.6.8 just for S&G.  Otherwise the crash matched the lathes
> crashing on 2.6.7.  Nothing contaminated if the blanketr hadn't kicked
> in, just no response to anything but the reset button.
>
> Gotta run. Dr appointment in half an hour, 20 minutes up the road.

PS #2:

Turned out I was a day early, so I went on around to see if I could find 
some fresh 4mm,.70 taps.  Struck out.  Came home, tried to log back into 
shop, crashed, and this was 2.6.8 that I left running, doing zip, but 
running.

So my finger gets pointed a bit mpore directly at the 2.6.7 and 2.6.8 as 
being the cause of the crash.  Until I left 2.6.7 running last night, 
the uptime reading was in months.

Am I the only one?

Thanks guys.

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Re: [Emc-users] 2.6.7 is a crasher?

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 13 May 2015 12:08:19 Gene Heskett wrote:
> Greetings all;
>
> I left 2.6.7 running last night on the shop machine so I wouldn't lose
> my home positions.  It crashed sometime in the night, before amdump
> ran.
>
> I am connecting the dots, and they point at 2.6.7.
>
> I'll get a good backup tonight, and the new install iso applied &
> switch it to master in the next few days.
>
> I got the 5i25 card from PCW yesterday too, but haven't installed it
> yet. So I must get printouts of the current ini and hal files for
> conversion references.
>
> Master, 2.8.0pre1 something, seems to be dead stable on the lathe.
> Essentially zero problems since I fixed the ini file to put it in a
> known state at startup.
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett

PS:
I went out and  turned the monitor on, but the blanker must have kicked 
in before the crash, so I hit the reset button, and left it running 
2.6.8 just for S&G.  Otherwise the crash matched the lathes crashing on 
2.6.7.  Nothing contaminated if the blanketr hadn't kicked in, just no 
response to anything but the reset button.

Gotta run. Dr appointment in half an hour, 20 minutes up the road.

Later guys.

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[Emc-users] 2.6.7 is a crasher?

[Gene Heskett]

Greetings all;

I left 2.6.7 running last night on the shop machine so I wouldn't lose my 
home positions.  It crashed sometime in the night, before amdump ran.

I am connecting the dots, and they point at 2.6.7.

I'll get a good backup tonight, and the new install iso applied & switch 
it to master in the next few days.

I got the 5i25 card from PCW yesterday too, but haven't installed it yet.  
So I must get printouts of the current ini and hal files for conversion 
references.

Master, 2.8.0pre1 something, seems to be dead stable on the lathe.  
Essentially zero problems since I fixed the ini file to put it in a 
known state at startup.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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