Re: [Emc-users] Desktops and OS's (Simplest possible)

[Karlsson & Wang]

The basic needs should be: Kernel with real time scheduler, X11 server for 
display unless it is run remotely, linuxcnc. I guess some more would be needed 
to get it started but not very much.

Usually there are plenty of space on harddrive so any ordinary distrubution 
could be used with out any real drawback. Only reason I could find to use 
simplest possible would be for cheap mass produced devices.

I have however discovered an STM32F407 ran a control loop perfectly with a 
frequency of 40kHz with around 30% CPU load but with an old ordinary higher 
clock frequency computer I can't run at 1kHz reliable. Modern GOOD for real 
time system micro controllers usually have nested interrupt controller with 
priority but I do not know if this is possible on an ordinary computer.

I guess effort could be best spent on kernel and in particular possibility to 
reduce priority of interrupts for ordinary tasks like disk I/O, graphics, other 
non real time I/O or non real time interrupts. Then clock cycles at "high" 
priority are free to use for real time tasks I expect good real time 
performance will come almost by itself.


Nicklas Karlsson



> Way back at the start of this email, someone was talking about different
> DEs. I personally have been running Bodhi linux, an Ubuntu derived distro,
> for a few years. The lead Dev recently posted a blog about installing
> moksha, an Enlightenment derivative, on Debian Jessie. Enlightenment does
> things differently, but, it is quite light on resources. I believe
> something like lxde is comparable.
> 
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 10:02 PM, Todd Zuercher <zuerc...@embarqmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > I've been running quite large carving and engraving g-code files directly
> > off a NAS share for quite some time without many problems (before that it
> > was on a Novel server, that was a little more problematic).  The only
> > problems were usually caused by major network glitches that often resulted
> > in taking down the whole Linuxcnc client (but I can't say that has happened
> > since switching to the NAS share).
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Dave Cole" <linuxcncro...@gmail.com>
> > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 12:10:26 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Desktops and OS's
> >
> > Second try...  I think that my Avast Antivirus is battling with Gmail's
> > security certificates and I lost :-( .
> >
> > Do you run the Gcode file off the NAS server directly or do you copy the
> > file to the local machine.
> > I thought there was a problem doing that reliably with LinuxCNC.
> > Something to do with network latency when reading the file which would
> > cause LinuxCNC to fault.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > On 11/4/2015 8:35 AM, Jim Craig wrote:
> > > I have a raid NAS that I send all of my gcode to. Then I open it
> > > directly from the NAS into LinuxCNC. Then I don't have to worry about
> > > what machine has the latest code etc. The latest is always on the NAS.
> > > And it it is backed up.
> > >
> > > I am going to have to see if I can get my machine computer to print to
> > > my network printer. That will be nice. Have not been able to get it to
> > > work so far.
> > >
> > > Thanks for the tips.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > > On 11/4/2015 7:27 AM, John Thornton wrote:
> > >> If he is doing that from a Windoze computer you can configure the right
> > >> click Send To for each machine so it's a one click op to send the file.
> > >>
> > >> JT
> > >>
> > >> On 11/4/2015 7:16 AM, Rick Lair wrote:
> > >>> It was an absolute requirement that I got that to work, probably like
> > >>> yours, we now have multiple machines in the shop running Linuxcnc, and
> > >>> thumb drives are easy to lose, so I have all the machines networked
> > >>> together, so the guy in the office that makes the programs, can drop
> > the
> > >>> finished g code program right into the nc_files folder in the
> > respective
> > >>> machine, right from his desk.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Rick
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 11/4/2015 8:09 AM, John Thornton wrote:
> > >>>> Sweet, and it works! What a PITA to have to do this just to get an OS
> > to
> > >>>> do basic things. I'm still hoping someone will chime in that has
> > built a
> > >>>> real time kernel for Linux Mint so I

Re: [Emc-users] Desktops and OS's

[Kyle Kerr]

Way back at the start of this email, someone was talking about different
DEs. I personally have been running Bodhi linux, an Ubuntu derived distro,
for a few years. The lead Dev recently posted a blog about installing
moksha, an Enlightenment derivative, on Debian Jessie. Enlightenment does
things differently, but, it is quite light on resources. I believe
something like lxde is comparable.

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 10:02 PM, Todd Zuercher <zuerc...@embarqmail.com>
wrote:

> I've been running quite large carving and engraving g-code files directly
> off a NAS share for quite some time without many problems (before that it
> was on a Novel server, that was a little more problematic).  The only
> problems were usually caused by major network glitches that often resulted
> in taking down the whole Linuxcnc client (but I can't say that has happened
> since switching to the NAS share).
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Dave Cole" <linuxcncro...@gmail.com>
> To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 12:10:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Desktops and OS's
>
> Second try...  I think that my Avast Antivirus is battling with Gmail's
> security certificates and I lost :-( .
>
> Do you run the Gcode file off the NAS server directly or do you copy the
> file to the local machine.
> I thought there was a problem doing that reliably with LinuxCNC.
> Something to do with network latency when reading the file which would
> cause LinuxCNC to fault.
>
> Dave
>
>
> On 11/4/2015 8:35 AM, Jim Craig wrote:
> > I have a raid NAS that I send all of my gcode to. Then I open it
> > directly from the NAS into LinuxCNC. Then I don't have to worry about
> > what machine has the latest code etc. The latest is always on the NAS.
> > And it it is backed up.
> >
> > I am going to have to see if I can get my machine computer to print to
> > my network printer. That will be nice. Have not been able to get it to
> > work so far.
> >
> > Thanks for the tips.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > On 11/4/2015 7:27 AM, John Thornton wrote:
> >> If he is doing that from a Windoze computer you can configure the right
> >> click Send To for each machine so it's a one click op to send the file.
> >>
> >> JT
> >>
> >> On 11/4/2015 7:16 AM, Rick Lair wrote:
> >>> It was an absolute requirement that I got that to work, probably like
> >>> yours, we now have multiple machines in the shop running Linuxcnc, and
> >>> thumb drives are easy to lose, so I have all the machines networked
> >>> together, so the guy in the office that makes the programs, can drop
> the
> >>> finished g code program right into the nc_files folder in the
> respective
> >>> machine, right from his desk.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Rick
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 11/4/2015 8:09 AM, John Thornton wrote:
> >>>> Sweet, and it works! What a PITA to have to do this just to get an OS
> to
> >>>> do basic things. I'm still hoping someone will chime in that has
> built a
> >>>> real time kernel for Linux Mint so I can try that.
> >>>>
> >>>> JT
> >>>>
> >>>> On 11/4/2015 6:55 AM, Rick Lair wrote:
> >>>>> Now you should be able to right click on the the folder icon you want
> >>>>> tot share, see the "Share" tab, and be able to click down through and
> >>>>> setup folder sharing on your network for that respective folder,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 11/4/2015 7:51 AM, John Thornton wrote:
> >>>>>> Hi Rick,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I followed the directions for adding folder sharing to Thunar but
> don't
> >>>>>> see any difference. What is is supposed to do?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> JT
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 11/3/2015 9:59 AM, Rick Lair wrote:
> >>>>>>> John,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Attached are some of my notes that I have found to be working in
> >>>>>>> regards to sharing over the network on Debian.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You may have already tried these, but this is what I have found.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Rick
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>

Re: [Emc-users] Desktops and OS's

[John Thornton]

Hi Rick,

I followed the directions for adding folder sharing to Thunar but don't 
see any difference. What is is supposed to do?

JT

On 11/3/2015 9:59 AM, Rick Lair wrote:
> John,
>
> Attached are some of my notes that I have found to be working in 
> regards to sharing over the network on Debian.
>
> You may have already tried these, but this is what I have found.
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> On 11/3/2015 10:44 AM, John Thornton wrote:
>> Samba is installed...
>>
>> On 11/3/2015 9:26 AM, andy pugh wrote:
>>> On 3 November 2015 at 15:19, John Thornton  wrote:
 Networking is also hosed up on my Debian computers and try as
 I might I can't share files as freely around my LAN with the Debian
 computers.
>>> You nay need to install Samba, it isn't there by default. I don't know
>>> if Avahi is or not.
>>>
>>
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Re: [Emc-users] Desktops and OS's

[Rick Lair]

It was an absolute requirement that I got that to work, probably like 
yours, we now have multiple machines in the shop running Linuxcnc, and 
thumb drives are easy to lose, so I have all the machines networked 
together, so the guy in the office that makes the programs, can drop the 
finished g code program right into the nc_files folder in the respective 
machine, right from his desk.


Rick



On 11/4/2015 8:09 AM, John Thornton wrote:
> Sweet, and it works! What a PITA to have to do this just to get an OS to
> do basic things. I'm still hoping someone will chime in that has built a
> real time kernel for Linux Mint so I can try that.
>
> JT
>
> On 11/4/2015 6:55 AM, Rick Lair wrote:
>> Now you should be able to right click on the the folder icon you want
>> tot share, see the "Share" tab, and be able to click down through and
>> setup folder sharing on your network for that respective folder,
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/4/2015 7:51 AM, John Thornton wrote:
>>> Hi Rick,
>>>
>>> I followed the directions for adding folder sharing to Thunar but don't
>>> see any difference. What is is supposed to do?
>>>
>>> JT
>>>
>>> On 11/3/2015 9:59 AM, Rick Lair wrote:
 John,

 Attached are some of my notes that I have found to be working in
 regards to sharing over the network on Debian.

 You may have already tried these, but this is what I have found.

 Rick



 On 11/3/2015 10:44 AM, John Thornton wrote:
> Samba is installed...
>
> On 11/3/2015 9:26 AM, andy pugh wrote:
>> On 3 November 2015 at 15:19, John Thornton  wrote:
>>> Networking is also hosed up on my Debian computers and try as
>>> I might I can't share files as freely around my LAN with the Debian
>>> computers.
>> You nay need to install Samba, it isn't there by default. I don't know
>> if Avahi is or not.
>>
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Re: [Emc-users] Desktops and OS's

[John Thornton]

Something like this?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.2525288

JT

On 11/4/2015 7:35 AM, Jim Craig wrote:
> I have a raid NAS that I send all of my gcode to. Then I open it
> directly from the NAS into LinuxCNC. Then I don't have to worry about
> what machine has the latest code etc. The latest is always on the NAS.
> And it it is backed up.


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Re: [Emc-users] Desktops and OS's

[John Thornton]

I see that from time to time on my LAN which I have two Windoze and 5 or 
6 Linux computer on it. Usually only a reboot will fix the Windoze 
computers while the Linux computers IIRC will fix themselves if you 
power cycle the router or switch they are attached to. I think it is 
just a software issue but who knows...

JT

On 11/4/2015 8:01 AM, Rick Lair wrote:
> Maybe not the right place to ask, but, regarding the networking, why
> would randomly you not be able to see other network computers? Right now
> from either my winxp desktop, or my ubuntu 10.04 desktop, I can't see
> any of the other network computers, or my machines. Connection issues,
> bad hardware?
>
>
> Rick
>
> On 11/4/2015 8:27 AM, John Thornton wrote:
>> If he is doing that from a Windoze computer you can configure the right
>> click Send To for each machine so it's a one click op to send the file.
>>
>> JT
>>
>> On 11/4/2015 7:16 AM, Rick Lair wrote:
>>> It was an absolute requirement that I got that to work, probably like
>>> yours, we now have multiple machines in the shop running Linuxcnc, and
>>> thumb drives are easy to lose, so I have all the machines networked
>>> together, so the guy in the office that makes the programs, can drop the
>>> finished g code program right into the nc_files folder in the respective
>>> machine, right from his desk.
>>>
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/4/2015 8:09 AM, John Thornton wrote:
 Sweet, and it works! What a PITA to have to do this just to get an OS to
 do basic things. I'm still hoping someone will chime in that has built a
 real time kernel for Linux Mint so I can try that.

 JT

 On 11/4/2015 6:55 AM, Rick Lair wrote:
> Now you should be able to right click on the the folder icon you want
> tot share, see the "Share" tab, and be able to click down through and
> setup folder sharing on your network for that respective folder,
>
>
>
> On 11/4/2015 7:51 AM, John Thornton wrote:
>> Hi Rick,
>>
>> I followed the directions for adding folder sharing to Thunar but don't
>> see any difference. What is is supposed to do?
>>
>> JT
>>
>> On 11/3/2015 9:59 AM, Rick Lair wrote:
>>> John,
>>>
>>> Attached are some of my notes that I have found to be working in
>>> regards to sharing over the network on Debian.
>>>
>>> You may have already tried these, but this is what I have found.
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/3/2015 10:44 AM, John Thornton wrote:
 Samba is installed...

 On 11/3/2015 9:26 AM, andy pugh wrote:
> On 3 November 2015 at 15:19, John Thornton  wrote:
>> Networking is also hosed up on my Debian computers and try as
>> I might I can't share files as freely around my LAN with the Debian
>> computers.
> You nay need to install Samba, it isn't there by default. I don't know
> if Avahi is or not.
>
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Re: [Emc-users] Desktops and OS's

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 04 November 2015 09:10:56 John Thornton wrote:

> I see that from time to time on my LAN which I have two Windoze and 5
> or 6 Linux computer on it. Usually only a reboot will fix the Windoze
> computers while the Linux computers IIRC will fix themselves if you
> power cycle the router or switch they are attached to. I think it is
> just a software issue but who knows...
>
> JT

It is John. Its evidence you are using dhcp as the hook means.
Things may have improved over the years since 10-04, but I've only used 
dhcp in the router to get me an ipv4 address for the router, everything 
else is host file based.  My /etc/hosts file:
===
127.0.0.1 localhost
192.168.xx.1 router.coyote.den  router
192.168.xx.3 coyote.coyote.den  coyote
192.168.xx.4 shop.coyote.denshop
192.168.xx.5 lathe.coyote.den   lathe
192.168.xx.6 lappy.coyote.den   lappy
192.168.xx.10 GO704.coyote.den  GO704

Identical on all machines

And my /etc/resolv.conf from any machine
=
search this-machines-name
nameserver 192.168.xx.1
order host,dns
=
This one made immutable with a sudo chattr +i specifically to keep 
network-mangler from mangling it if its still installed. 

Then you can configure /etc/network/interfaces to look something like 
this:
==
# list of interfaces to bring up at boot
auto lo eth0

# interface lo
iface lo inet loopback
address 127.0.0.1
netmask 255.0.0.0

# interface eth0
iface eth0 inet static
address 192.168.xx.3
netmask 255.255.255.0
gateway 192.168.xx.1

Where the last number of the eth0 address is that machine.

And if network-mangler is still installed, sudo chattr +i that file too 
to  keep it from being re-written by mangler.  In wheezy, N-M can be 
removed.

On all the linux machines.

I don't do windows, any flavor, so I can't advise on that.  But the last 
time I setup a neighbors windows machine, that is exactly what I did as 
he had a router that could NAT, so I made it so.
>
> On 11/4/2015 8:01 AM, Rick Lair wrote:
> > Maybe not the right place to ask, but, regarding the networking, why
> > would randomly you not be able to see other network computers? Right
> > now from either my winxp desktop, or my ubuntu 10.04 desktop, I
> > can't see any of the other network computers, or my machines.
> > Connection issues, bad hardware?
Can you ping them by name?
Can you get their address from an ifconfig report on each machine, then 
go ping them by address from another machine?

The latter, as long as they are all in the same class D address space but 
you can't ping them by address, I'd say you have hardware problems.

> > Rick
> >
> > On 11/4/2015 8:27 AM, John Thornton wrote:
> >> If he is doing that from a Windoze computer you can configure the
> >> right click Send To for each machine so it's a one click op to send
> >> the file.
> >>
> >> JT
> >>
> >> On 11/4/2015 7:16 AM, Rick Lair wrote:
> >>> It was an absolute requirement that I got that to work, probably
> >>> like yours, we now have multiple machines in the shop running
> >>> Linuxcnc, and thumb drives are easy to lose, so I have all the
> >>> machines networked together, so the guy in the office that makes
> >>> the programs, can drop the finished g code program right into the
> >>> nc_files folder in the respective machine, right from his desk.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Rick
> >>>
> >>> On 11/4/2015 8:09 AM, John Thornton wrote:
>  Sweet, and it works! What a PITA to have to do this just to get
>  an OS to do basic things. I'm still hoping someone will chime in
>  that has built a real time kernel for Linux Mint so I can try
>  that.
> 
>  JT
> 
>  On 11/4/2015 6:55 AM, Rick Lair wrote:
> > Now you should be able to right click on the the folder icon you
> > want tot share, see the "Share" tab, and be able to click down
> > through and setup folder sharing on your network for that
> > respective folder,
> >
> > On 11/4/2015 7:51 AM, John Thornton wrote:
> >> Hi Rick,
> >>
> >> I followed the directions for adding folder sharing to Thunar
> >> but don't see any difference. What is is supposed to do?
> >>
> >> JT
> >>
> >> On 11/3/2015 9:59 AM, Rick Lair wrote:
> >>> John,
> >>>
> >>> Attached are some of my notes that I have found to be working
> >>> in regards to sharing over the network on Debian.
> >>>
> >>> You may have already tried these, but this is what I have
> >>> found.
> >>>
> >>> Rick
> >>>
> >>> On 11/3/2015 10:44 AM, John Thornton wrote:
>  Samba is installed...
> 
>  On 11/3/2015 9:26 AM, andy pugh wrote:
> > On 3 November 2015 at 15:19, John Thornton  
wrote:
> >> Networking is also hosed up on my Debian computers and try
> >> as I might I can't share files as freely 

Re: [Emc-users] Desktops and OS's

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 04 November 2015 08:35:32 Jim Craig wrote:

> I have a raid NAS that I send all of my gcode to. Then I open it
> directly from the NAS into LinuxCNC. Then I don't have to worry about
> what machine has the latest code etc. The latest is always on the NAS.
> And it it is backed up.
>
> I am going to have to see if I can get my machine computer to print to
> my network printer. That will be nice. Have not been able to get it to
> work so far.
>
> Thanks for the tips.
>
> Jim
Make it a shared printer in your cups configs. Then tell the cups client 
on each machine to "Browse" the network. Once thats done, something 
like:

lp -dNetwork-printer -olandscape filename2print[return]

Then go to the printer and get your output, however in landscape + duplex 
mode, even I at my usual speed, will probably get there and have to wait 
for the printer to finish. This Brother Color laser is quite slow at 
duplex, taking 10x the time to turn the paper around as it does to print 
it.

But thats a problem endemic to most duplex capable printers.  Usually 
fixable by throwing enough money at the printer, but one even a $48k 
Minolta Office copier suffers from. BTDT, gave the Minolta techs a load 
of static over it too.  I wanted to print a 585 page book once, gvmnt 
regs I needed a fresh copy of, and it quit at page 187 4 times.  I wound 
up running it thru a pdf processor to make 100 page pieces out of it 
before I got a copy for my shelf.

> On 11/4/2015 7:27 AM, John Thornton wrote:
> > If he is doing that from a Windoze computer you can configure the
> > right click Send To for each machine so it's a one click op to send
> > the file.
> >
> > JT
> >
> > On 11/4/2015 7:16 AM, Rick Lair wrote:
> >> It was an absolute requirement that I got that to work, probably
> >> like yours, we now have multiple machines in the shop running
> >> Linuxcnc, and thumb drives are easy to lose, so I have all the
> >> machines networked together, so the guy in the office that makes
> >> the programs, can drop the finished g code program right into the
> >> nc_files folder in the respective machine, right from his desk.
> >>
> >>
> >> Rick
> >>
> >> On 11/4/2015 8:09 AM, John Thornton wrote:
> >>> Sweet, and it works! What a PITA to have to do this just to get an
> >>> OS to do basic things. I'm still hoping someone will chime in that
> >>> has built a real time kernel for Linux Mint so I can try that.
> >>>
> >>> JT
> >>>
> >>> On 11/4/2015 6:55 AM, Rick Lair wrote:
>  Now you should be able to right click on the the folder icon you
>  want tot share, see the "Share" tab, and be able to click down
>  through and setup folder sharing on your network for that
>  respective folder,
> 
>  On 11/4/2015 7:51 AM, John Thornton wrote:
> > Hi Rick,
> >
> > I followed the directions for adding folder sharing to Thunar
> > but don't see any difference. What is is supposed to do?
> >
> > JT
> >
> > On 11/3/2015 9:59 AM, Rick Lair wrote:
> >> John,
> >>
> >> Attached are some of my notes that I have found to be working
> >> in regards to sharing over the network on Debian.
> >>
> >> You may have already tried these, but this is what I have
> >> found.
> >>
> >> Rick
> >>
> >> On 11/3/2015 10:44 AM, John Thornton wrote:
> >>> Samba is installed...
> >>>
> >>> On 11/3/2015 9:26 AM, andy pugh wrote:
>  On 3 November 2015 at 15:19, John Thornton  
wrote:
> > Networking is also hosed up on my Debian computers and try
> > as I might I can't share files as freely around my LAN with
> > the Debian computers.
> 
>  You nay need to install Samba, it isn't there by default. I
>  don't know if Avahi is or not.
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Re: [Emc-users] Desktops and OS's

[Jim Craig]

Yep, That is one example. Usually the NAS box like you have listed below 
will have a processor and one or more NAT devices. Then you can add the 
hard drives that you like to the box. Some come with drives included. 
usually the OS on the box is a custom one that is based on Linux. 
Usually you can remote into the box through a web page that is hosted on 
the NAS box.

I am using a WD MyCloudEX2. I don't know if I would recommend it or not. 
It needs external cooling as it does not have built in fans so I have it 
setting on a laptop cooling fan thingy.

I also have a better NAS at the farm office but I can't remember what it 
is off the top of my head right now. It is currently hosing 2 HDDs but 
can be expanded to 4.


On 11/4/2015 8:04 AM, John Thornton wrote:
> Something like this?
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.2525288
>
> JT
>
> On 11/4/2015 7:35 AM, Jim Craig wrote:
>> I have a raid NAS that I send all of my gcode to. Then I open it
>> directly from the NAS into LinuxCNC. Then I don't have to worry about
>> what machine has the latest code etc. The latest is always on the NAS.
>> And it it is backed up.
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[Jon Elson]

On 11/04/2015 07:21 AM, Pete Matos wrote:
> Man I so need to do that in my shop. This sneakernet stuff gets old LOL...
> Peace
>
>
I didn't use any of this sharing stuff, but I have used ftp 
(now sftp) since 1998 with Ethernet.

It may take just a couple more keystrokes (password, 
directory, etc.) but works fine.

Jon

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Re: [Emc-users] Desktops and OS's

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On Wednesday 04 November 2015 09:43:53 Dave Cole wrote:
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On Wednesday 04 November 2015 10:09:01 Jim Craig wrote:

> My question is was it checked to make sure there were viruses there or
> that there weren't any?
>
None detected here, else clamav would have had a cow. :)

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[Jim Craig]

My question is was it checked to make sure there were viruses there or 
that there weren't any?

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[John Thornton]

If he is doing that from a Windoze computer you can configure the right 
click Send To for each machine so it's a one click op to send the file.

JT

On 11/4/2015 7:16 AM, Rick Lair wrote:
> It was an absolute requirement that I got that to work, probably like
> yours, we now have multiple machines in the shop running Linuxcnc, and
> thumb drives are easy to lose, so I have all the machines networked
> together, so the guy in the office that makes the programs, can drop the
> finished g code program right into the nc_files folder in the respective
> machine, right from his desk.
>
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> On 11/4/2015 8:09 AM, John Thornton wrote:
>> Sweet, and it works! What a PITA to have to do this just to get an OS to
>> do basic things. I'm still hoping someone will chime in that has built a
>> real time kernel for Linux Mint so I can try that.
>>
>> JT
>>
>> On 11/4/2015 6:55 AM, Rick Lair wrote:
>>> Now you should be able to right click on the the folder icon you want
>>> tot share, see the "Share" tab, and be able to click down through and
>>> setup folder sharing on your network for that respective folder,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/4/2015 7:51 AM, John Thornton wrote:
 Hi Rick,

 I followed the directions for adding folder sharing to Thunar but don't
 see any difference. What is is supposed to do?

 JT

 On 11/3/2015 9:59 AM, Rick Lair wrote:
> John,
>
> Attached are some of my notes that I have found to be working in
> regards to sharing over the network on Debian.
>
> You may have already tried these, but this is what I have found.
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> On 11/3/2015 10:44 AM, John Thornton wrote:
>> Samba is installed...
>>
>> On 11/3/2015 9:26 AM, andy pugh wrote:
>>> On 3 November 2015 at 15:19, John Thornton  wrote:
 Networking is also hosed up on my Debian computers and try as
 I might I can't share files as freely around my LAN with the Debian
 computers.
>>> You nay need to install Samba, it isn't there by default. I don't know
>>> if Avahi is or not.
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Re: [Emc-users] Desktops and OS's

[Jim Craig]

I have a raid NAS that I send all of my gcode to. Then I open it 
directly from the NAS into LinuxCNC. Then I don't have to worry about 
what machine has the latest code etc. The latest is always on the NAS. 
And it it is backed up.

I am going to have to see if I can get my machine computer to print to 
my network printer. That will be nice. Have not been able to get it to 
work so far.

Thanks for the tips.

Jim

On 11/4/2015 7:27 AM, John Thornton wrote:
> If he is doing that from a Windoze computer you can configure the right
> click Send To for each machine so it's a one click op to send the file.
>
> JT
>
> On 11/4/2015 7:16 AM, Rick Lair wrote:
>> It was an absolute requirement that I got that to work, probably like
>> yours, we now have multiple machines in the shop running Linuxcnc, and
>> thumb drives are easy to lose, so I have all the machines networked
>> together, so the guy in the office that makes the programs, can drop the
>> finished g code program right into the nc_files folder in the respective
>> machine, right from his desk.
>>
>>
>> Rick
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/4/2015 8:09 AM, John Thornton wrote:
>>> Sweet, and it works! What a PITA to have to do this just to get an OS to
>>> do basic things. I'm still hoping someone will chime in that has built a
>>> real time kernel for Linux Mint so I can try that.
>>>
>>> JT
>>>
>>> On 11/4/2015 6:55 AM, Rick Lair wrote:
 Now you should be able to right click on the the folder icon you want
 tot share, see the "Share" tab, and be able to click down through and
 setup folder sharing on your network for that respective folder,



 On 11/4/2015 7:51 AM, John Thornton wrote:
> Hi Rick,
>
> I followed the directions for adding folder sharing to Thunar but don't
> see any difference. What is is supposed to do?
>
> JT
>
> On 11/3/2015 9:59 AM, Rick Lair wrote:
>> John,
>>
>> Attached are some of my notes that I have found to be working in
>> regards to sharing over the network on Debian.
>>
>> You may have already tried these, but this is what I have found.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/3/2015 10:44 AM, John Thornton wrote:
>>> Samba is installed...
>>>
>>> On 11/3/2015 9:26 AM, andy pugh wrote:
 On 3 November 2015 at 15:19, John Thornton  wrote:
> Networking is also hosed up on my Debian computers and try as
> I might I can't share files as freely around my LAN with the Debian
> computers.
 You nay need to install Samba, it isn't there by default. I don't know
 if Avahi is or not.

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[Rick Lair]

Maybe not the right place to ask, but, regarding the networking, why 
would randomly you not be able to see other network computers? Right now 
from either my winxp desktop, or my ubuntu 10.04 desktop, I can't see 
any of the other network computers, or my machines. Connection issues, 
bad hardware?


Rick

On 11/4/2015 8:27 AM, John Thornton wrote:
> If he is doing that from a Windoze computer you can configure the right
> click Send To for each machine so it's a one click op to send the file.
>
> JT
>
> On 11/4/2015 7:16 AM, Rick Lair wrote:
>> It was an absolute requirement that I got that to work, probably like
>> yours, we now have multiple machines in the shop running Linuxcnc, and
>> thumb drives are easy to lose, so I have all the machines networked
>> together, so the guy in the office that makes the programs, can drop the
>> finished g code program right into the nc_files folder in the respective
>> machine, right from his desk.
>>
>>
>> Rick
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/4/2015 8:09 AM, John Thornton wrote:
>>> Sweet, and it works! What a PITA to have to do this just to get an OS to
>>> do basic things. I'm still hoping someone will chime in that has built a
>>> real time kernel for Linux Mint so I can try that.
>>>
>>> JT
>>>
>>> On 11/4/2015 6:55 AM, Rick Lair wrote:
 Now you should be able to right click on the the folder icon you want
 tot share, see the "Share" tab, and be able to click down through and
 setup folder sharing on your network for that respective folder,



 On 11/4/2015 7:51 AM, John Thornton wrote:
> Hi Rick,
>
> I followed the directions for adding folder sharing to Thunar but don't
> see any difference. What is is supposed to do?
>
> JT
>
> On 11/3/2015 9:59 AM, Rick Lair wrote:
>> John,
>>
>> Attached are some of my notes that I have found to be working in
>> regards to sharing over the network on Debian.
>>
>> You may have already tried these, but this is what I have found.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/3/2015 10:44 AM, John Thornton wrote:
>>> Samba is installed...
>>>
>>> On 11/3/2015 9:26 AM, andy pugh wrote:
 On 3 November 2015 at 15:19, John Thornton  wrote:
> Networking is also hosed up on my Debian computers and try as
> I might I can't share files as freely around my LAN with the Debian
> computers.
 You nay need to install Samba, it isn't there by default. I don't know
 if Avahi is or not.

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On Wednesday 04 November 2015 08:21:51 Pete Matos wrote:

> Man I so need to do that in my shop. This sneakernet stuff gets old
> LOL... Peace
>
> Pete

Pete, and the rest of you folks with a centralized code source generator 
and a fully networked shop, I used, haltingly, NFS for that. But someone 
intro'd me to sshfs a while back.  Security is based on shared keys, and 
the keys are shared as you do the ssh session.
.
Its like doing an ssh -Y machine.name when setup, but the shared key 
negates the login.  You still need to do the ssh -Y thing if you want to 
run LCNC on that machine while watching it run from the office, its two 
separated operations.

I have all mine setup so I can do that from this machine, but need to 
make it bi-directional yet.

I also haven't figured out how to put it in the rc.local files yet, which 
runs as root, so I have to redo it everytime a machine is rebooted.  But 
once enabled, its as close to Just Works(TM) as I've ever had here.

If I reboot this machine, restoration is as simple as, as me, no sudo 
needed:

Names for the machine are of course the alias's in all 
machines /etc/hosts file.

sshfs gene@GO704:/ /sshnet/GO704   (new mill in garage)
sshfs gene@lathe:/ /sshnet/lathe   (toy lathe in the shop shed)
sshfs gene@shop:/ /sshnet/shop (toy mill in the shop shed)

User rights are enforced of course so I can't just blindly copy anything 
to anyplace but since I own that net, (it was not invoked by a sudo 
session) I can fire up a copy of mc on this machine and using its 2 pane 
screen, copy any file I own, to any other machines similar location that 
I own.  Moving code to the nc_files directory is now about 20% of the 
work it used to be. And its fairly secure since the transfer is encoded 
by ssh, theoretically slower, but not enough that I've noted it.

> On Wednesday, November 4, 2015, Rick Lair  
wrote:
> > It was an absolute requirement that I got that to work, probably
> > like yours, we now have multiple machines in the shop running
> > Linuxcnc, and thumb drives are easy to lose, so I have all the
> > machines networked together, so the guy in the office that makes the
> > programs, can drop the finished g code program right into the
> > nc_files folder in the respective machine, right from his desk.
> >
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > On 11/4/2015 8:09 AM, John Thornton wrote:
> > > Sweet, and it works! What a PITA to have to do this just to get an
> > > OS to do basic things. I'm still hoping someone will chime in that
> > > has built a real time kernel for Linux Mint so I can try that.
> > >
> > > JT
> > >
> > > On 11/4/2015 6:55 AM, Rick Lair wrote:
> > >> Now you should be able to right click on the the folder icon you
> > >> want tot share, see the "Share" tab, and be able to click down
> > >> through and setup folder sharing on your network for that
> > >> respective folder,
> > >>
> > >> On 11/4/2015 7:51 AM, John Thornton wrote:
> > >>> Hi Rick,
> > >>>
> > >>> I followed the directions for adding folder sharing to Thunar
> > >>> but don't see any difference. What is is supposed to do?
> > >>>
> > >>> JT
> > >>>
> > >>> On 11/3/2015 9:59 AM, Rick Lair wrote:
> >  John,
> > 
> >  Attached are some of my notes that I have found to be working
> >  in regards to sharing over the network on Debian.
> > 
> >  You may have already tried these, but this is what I have
> >  found.
> > 
> >  Rick
> > 
> >  On 11/3/2015 10:44 AM, John Thornton wrote:
> > > Samba is installed...
> > >
> > > On 11/3/2015 9:26 AM, andy pugh wrote:
> > >> On 3 November 2015 at 15:19, John Thornton  >
> > > wrote:
> > >>> Networking is also hosed up on my Debian computers and try
> > >>> as I might I can't share files as freely around my LAN with
> > >>> the Debian computers.
> > >>
> > >> You nay need to install Samba, it isn't there by default. I
> > >> don't
> >
> > know
> >
> > >> if Avahi is or not.
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Re: [Emc-users] Desktops and OS's

[Rick Lair]

Now you should be able to right click on the the folder icon you want 
tot share, see the "Share" tab, and be able to click down through and 
setup folder sharing on your network for that respective folder,



On 11/4/2015 7:51 AM, John Thornton wrote:
> Hi Rick,
>
> I followed the directions for adding folder sharing to Thunar but don't
> see any difference. What is is supposed to do?
>
> JT
>
> On 11/3/2015 9:59 AM, Rick Lair wrote:
>> John,
>>
>> Attached are some of my notes that I have found to be working in
>> regards to sharing over the network on Debian.
>>
>> You may have already tried these, but this is what I have found.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/3/2015 10:44 AM, John Thornton wrote:
>>> Samba is installed...
>>>
>>> On 11/3/2015 9:26 AM, andy pugh wrote:
 On 3 November 2015 at 15:19, John Thornton  wrote:
> Networking is also hosed up on my Debian computers and try as
> I might I can't share files as freely around my LAN with the Debian
> computers.
 You nay need to install Samba, it isn't there by default. I don't know
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Sweet, and it works! What a PITA to have to do this just to get an OS to 
do basic things. I'm still hoping someone will chime in that has built a 
real time kernel for Linux Mint so I can try that.

JT

On 11/4/2015 6:55 AM, Rick Lair wrote:
> Now you should be able to right click on the the folder icon you want
> tot share, see the "Share" tab, and be able to click down through and
> setup folder sharing on your network for that respective folder,
>
>
>
> On 11/4/2015 7:51 AM, John Thornton wrote:
>> Hi Rick,
>>
>> I followed the directions for adding folder sharing to Thunar but don't
>> see any difference. What is is supposed to do?
>>
>> JT
>>
>> On 11/3/2015 9:59 AM, Rick Lair wrote:
>>> John,
>>>
>>> Attached are some of my notes that I have found to be working in
>>> regards to sharing over the network on Debian.
>>>
>>> You may have already tried these, but this is what I have found.
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/3/2015 10:44 AM, John Thornton wrote:
 Samba is installed...

 On 11/3/2015 9:26 AM, andy pugh wrote:
> On 3 November 2015 at 15:19, John Thornton  wrote:
>> Networking is also hosed up on my Debian computers and try as
>> I might I can't share files as freely around my LAN with the Debian
>> computers.
> You nay need to install Samba, it isn't there by default. I don't know
> if Avahi is or not.
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[Pete Matos]

Man I so need to do that in my shop. This sneakernet stuff gets old LOL...
Peace

Pete

On Wednesday, November 4, 2015, Rick Lair  wrote:

> It was an absolute requirement that I got that to work, probably like
> yours, we now have multiple machines in the shop running Linuxcnc, and
> thumb drives are easy to lose, so I have all the machines networked
> together, so the guy in the office that makes the programs, can drop the
> finished g code program right into the nc_files folder in the respective
> machine, right from his desk.
>
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> On 11/4/2015 8:09 AM, John Thornton wrote:
> > Sweet, and it works! What a PITA to have to do this just to get an OS to
> > do basic things. I'm still hoping someone will chime in that has built a
> > real time kernel for Linux Mint so I can try that.
> >
> > JT
> >
> > On 11/4/2015 6:55 AM, Rick Lair wrote:
> >> Now you should be able to right click on the the folder icon you want
> >> tot share, see the "Share" tab, and be able to click down through and
> >> setup folder sharing on your network for that respective folder,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 11/4/2015 7:51 AM, John Thornton wrote:
> >>> Hi Rick,
> >>>
> >>> I followed the directions for adding folder sharing to Thunar but don't
> >>> see any difference. What is is supposed to do?
> >>>
> >>> JT
> >>>
> >>> On 11/3/2015 9:59 AM, Rick Lair wrote:
>  John,
> 
>  Attached are some of my notes that I have found to be working in
>  regards to sharing over the network on Debian.
> 
>  You may have already tried these, but this is what I have found.
> 
>  Rick
> 
> 
> 
>  On 11/3/2015 10:44 AM, John Thornton wrote:
> > Samba is installed...
> >
> > On 11/3/2015 9:26 AM, andy pugh wrote:
> >> On 3 November 2015 at 15:19, John Thornton  > wrote:
> >>> Networking is also hosed up on my Debian computers and try as
> >>> I might I can't share files as freely around my LAN with the Debian
> >>> computers.
> >> You nay need to install Samba, it isn't there by default. I don't
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[Dave Cole]

Second try...  I think that my Avast Antivirus is battling with Gmail's 
security certificates and I lost :-( .

Do you run the Gcode file off the NAS server directly or do you copy the 
file to the local machine.
I thought there was a problem doing that reliably with LinuxCNC. 
Something to do with network latency when reading the file which would 
cause LinuxCNC to fault.

Dave


On 11/4/2015 8:35 AM, Jim Craig wrote:
> I have a raid NAS that I send all of my gcode to. Then I open it
> directly from the NAS into LinuxCNC. Then I don't have to worry about
> what machine has the latest code etc. The latest is always on the NAS.
> And it it is backed up.
>
> I am going to have to see if I can get my machine computer to print to
> my network printer. That will be nice. Have not been able to get it to
> work so far.
>
> Thanks for the tips.
>
> Jim
>
> On 11/4/2015 7:27 AM, John Thornton wrote:
>> If he is doing that from a Windoze computer you can configure the right
>> click Send To for each machine so it's a one click op to send the file.
>>
>> JT
>>
>> On 11/4/2015 7:16 AM, Rick Lair wrote:
>>> It was an absolute requirement that I got that to work, probably like
>>> yours, we now have multiple machines in the shop running Linuxcnc, and
>>> thumb drives are easy to lose, so I have all the machines networked
>>> together, so the guy in the office that makes the programs, can drop the
>>> finished g code program right into the nc_files folder in the respective
>>> machine, right from his desk.
>>>
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/4/2015 8:09 AM, John Thornton wrote:
 Sweet, and it works! What a PITA to have to do this just to get an OS to
 do basic things. I'm still hoping someone will chime in that has built a
 real time kernel for Linux Mint so I can try that.

 JT

 On 11/4/2015 6:55 AM, Rick Lair wrote:
> Now you should be able to right click on the the folder icon you want
> tot share, see the "Share" tab, and be able to click down through and
> setup folder sharing on your network for that respective folder,
>
>
>
> On 11/4/2015 7:51 AM, John Thornton wrote:
>> Hi Rick,
>>
>> I followed the directions for adding folder sharing to Thunar but don't
>> see any difference. What is is supposed to do?
>>
>> JT
>>
>> On 11/3/2015 9:59 AM, Rick Lair wrote:
>>> John,
>>>
>>> Attached are some of my notes that I have found to be working in
>>> regards to sharing over the network on Debian.
>>>
>>> You may have already tried these, but this is what I have found.
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/3/2015 10:44 AM, John Thornton wrote:
 Samba is installed...

 On 11/3/2015 9:26 AM, andy pugh wrote:
> On 3 November 2015 at 15:19, John Thornton  wrote:
>> Networking is also hosed up on my Debian computers and try as
>> I might I can't share files as freely around my LAN with the Debian
>> computers.
> You nay need to install Samba, it isn't there by default. I don't know
> if Avahi is or not.
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Re: [Emc-users] Desktops and OS's

[Stuart Stevenson]

Andy,
USPS my not be that far removed from Royal mail as USPS is a private
corporation, owned by a man in England, doing business for the United
States Post Office.
On Nov 3, 2015 10:43 AM, "andy pugh"  wrote:

> On 3 November 2015 at 16:28, Dave Cole  wrote:
>
> > Does this really surprise anyone??  USPS has a hard time getting mail to
> > the right address let alone actually writing code.
>
> The difference is that in my case it is PayPal and Royal Mail, so it
> isn't anything to do with USPS.
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Re: [Emc-users] Desktops and OS's

[Jim Craig]

Dave,

I open them directly from the NAS. I have a mounted folder set up on the 
cnc machine pc that points to the NAS folder where i keep the Gcode. I 
use gmoccapy and I have the shortcut directory pointed to this mounted 
folder so it is quick to get to my files. I have not had an issue yet 
with doing it this way.

I think once the file is opened it is run from RAM anyway. So if the 
file opens it should run the same if it was originally on the network or 
on the local machine.

Jim

On 11/4/2015 11:10 AM, Dave Cole wrote:
> Second try...  I think that my Avast Antivirus is battling with Gmail's
> security certificates and I lost :-( .
>
> Do you run the Gcode file off the NAS server directly or do you copy the
> file to the local machine.
> I thought there was a problem doing that reliably with LinuxCNC.
> Something to do with network latency when reading the file which would
> cause LinuxCNC to fault.
>
> Dave
>
>
> On 11/4/2015 8:35 AM, Jim Craig wrote:
>> I have a raid NAS that I send all of my gcode to. Then I open it
>> directly from the NAS into LinuxCNC. Then I don't have to worry about
>> what machine has the latest code etc. The latest is always on the NAS.
>> And it it is backed up.
>>
>> I am going to have to see if I can get my machine computer to print to
>> my network printer. That will be nice. Have not been able to get it to
>> work so far.
>>
>> Thanks for the tips.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> On 11/4/2015 7:27 AM, John Thornton wrote:
>>> If he is doing that from a Windoze computer you can configure the right
>>> click Send To for each machine so it's a one click op to send the file.
>>>
>>> JT
>>>
>>> On 11/4/2015 7:16 AM, Rick Lair wrote:
 It was an absolute requirement that I got that to work, probably like
 yours, we now have multiple machines in the shop running Linuxcnc, and
 thumb drives are easy to lose, so I have all the machines networked
 together, so the guy in the office that makes the programs, can drop the
 finished g code program right into the nc_files folder in the respective
 machine, right from his desk.


 Rick



 On 11/4/2015 8:09 AM, John Thornton wrote:
> Sweet, and it works! What a PITA to have to do this just to get an OS to
> do basic things. I'm still hoping someone will chime in that has built a
> real time kernel for Linux Mint so I can try that.
>
> JT
>
> On 11/4/2015 6:55 AM, Rick Lair wrote:
>> Now you should be able to right click on the the folder icon you want
>> tot share, see the "Share" tab, and be able to click down through and
>> setup folder sharing on your network for that respective folder,
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/4/2015 7:51 AM, John Thornton wrote:
>>> Hi Rick,
>>>
>>> I followed the directions for adding folder sharing to Thunar but don't
>>> see any difference. What is is supposed to do?
>>>
>>> JT
>>>
>>> On 11/3/2015 9:59 AM, Rick Lair wrote:
 John,

 Attached are some of my notes that I have found to be working in
 regards to sharing over the network on Debian.

 You may have already tried these, but this is what I have found.

 Rick



 On 11/3/2015 10:44 AM, John Thornton wrote:
> Samba is installed...
>
> On 11/3/2015 9:26 AM, andy pugh wrote:
>> On 3 November 2015 at 15:19, John Thornton  wrote:
>>> Networking is also hosed up on my Debian computers and try as
>>> I might I can't share files as freely around my LAN with the Debian
>>> computers.
>> You nay need to install Samba, it isn't there by default. I don't 
>> know
>> if Avahi is or not.
>>
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Re: [Emc-users] Desktops and OS's

[Bruce Layne]

I last tried Debian when picking a distro when switching to Linux a very 
long time ago.  I've been using Ubuntu on my CNC tools and my desktop 
for the last few years and have converted some friends and family to 
Ubuntu... because I don't do Windows.  I tried Debian again recently 
when it was part of the installation ISO for the latest version of 
LinuxCNC.  I liked it better than Ubuntu, which seems a bit too Mac-like 
for my tastes.  I haven't used Debian on the desktop yet and haven't 
really used it much with LinuxCNC either, so I can't give it my 
endorsement, but I am very inclined to switch my desktop to Debian when 
I get a new PC.

I should probably stick to the devil I know.  There are all of the 
hidden problems when switching to a new distro.  For example, printing 
US Postal System shipping labels (via PayPal, via Pitney Bowes, using 
their Java craplet) is fraught with peril.  Dragons be here!  But who 
knows?  It might work in Debian... for a week or two.

At this point, I guess I'm basically adopting whatever distro LinuxCNC 
uses in the ISO for my desktop as well.  So far, from the little I've 
seen of it, I like the clean look of Debian, and it works the way my 
brain wants it to work.  Ubuntu seemed too clever for its own good 
sometimes, like the Mac, with things hidden where they are intuitive to 
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> My search is for one that is less annoying than any that I have tried in
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[John Thornton]

My search is for one that is less annoying than any that I have tried in 
Debian so far which includes X, Xfce and Mate. I feel the underlying 
Debian is part of the annoying behavior with the UI. It's really just 
plain stupid things like the login prompt and most times you start the 
synaptic package manager the focus does not go to the password field so 
you have grab your mouse and click on it to get focus. This kind of 
stuff worked as it should in Ubuntu 6.06 so why go backwards I have no 
clue. It seems to me that a bunch of things were changed and not 
completed in the UI's for Debian.

JT

On 11/2/2015 9:37 PM, Allen wrote:
> Just curious folks, why would you use these other Desktops instead of
> the one in Wheezy?
> (Just in case I'm missing something).
>
> Thanks
>
> On 11/2/2015 6:15 PM, Todd Zuercher wrote:
>> I have already installed the Mate desktop on to a stock Wheezy Linuxcnc 
>> install.  I'm probably going to do this with most of my new installs from 
>> now on.  It was a relatively painless installation.
>> https://wiki.debian.org/Mate
>>
>> The same can also be done with Cinnamon.
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Chris Morley" 
>> To: "EMC" 
>> Sent: Monday, November 2, 2015 6:34:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Linux Mint
>>
>>
>>
>>> To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
>>> From: j...@gnipsel.com
>>> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 14:26:43 -0600
>>> Subject: [Emc-users] Linux Mint
>>>
>>> I have Linux Mint 17.2 and like the interface, are there any
>>> instructions on how to patch the kernel for real time? I ran uname -r
>>> and it reports 3.16.0-38 generic in 17.2. Cinnamon and Mate seem to be
>>> the best for me, I could not figure out where the turn off button was in
>>> XFCE lol. Finally found it and the name choice was poor.
>>>
>>> I've done a lot of things on computers but building or patching a kernel
>>> is not on that list so any advice is appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> JT
>>>
>> I would be interested in this too.
>> I use RTAI
>>
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Re: [Emc-users] Desktops and OS's

[John Thornton]

Funny you should mention that, I can't print to my network printers from 
either Debian Wheezy computer but have no problem printing from Ubuntu 
computers. Networking is also hosed up on my Debian computers and try as 
I might I can't share files as freely around my LAN with the Debian 
computers. They are just a total PITA to try and use.

Having said all that I didn't like Ubuntu 12.4 at all, just too much 
like a stupid notebook with everything hidden that you might use if you 
know more than squat about a computer.

JT

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[Rick Lair]

John, I strongly second all of that, Royal PITA.

I believe I have finally gotten the network sharing aspect handled, but 
the printing is shot. If I need to print something off of the mill I am 
finishing up, that is running Debian wheezy, I have to save whatever it 
is to my thumb drive, and go in the office, open it up on my Ubuntu 
machine, then print it.


Rick

On 11/3/2015 10:19 AM, John Thornton wrote:
> Funny you should mention that, I can't print to my network printers from
> either Debian Wheezy computer but have no problem printing from Ubuntu
> computers. Networking is also hosed up on my Debian computers and try as
> I might I can't share files as freely around my LAN with the Debian
> computers. They are just a total PITA to try and use.
>
> Having said all that I didn't like Ubuntu 12.4 at all, just too much
> like a stupid notebook with everything hidden that you might use if you
> know more than squat about a computer.
>
> JT
>
> On 11/3/2015 7:12 AM, Bruce Layne wrote:
>> For example, printing
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Re: [Emc-users] Desktops and OS's

[andy pugh]

On 3 November 2015 at 15:19, John Thornton  wrote:
> Networking is also hosed up on my Debian computers and try as
> I might I can't share files as freely around my LAN with the Debian
> computers.

You nay need to install Samba, it isn't there by default. I don't know
if Avahi is or not.

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Re: [Emc-users] Desktops and OS's

[andy pugh]

On 3 November 2015 at 13:12, Bruce Layne  wrote:
> printing
> US Postal System shipping labels (via PayPal, via Pitney Bowes, using
> their Java craplet) is fraught with peril.

I can't actually do that on my Mac either. I have to print to PDF then
print the PDF, otherwise it is impossible to get the print direction
to match the label direction.

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Re: [Emc-users] Desktops and OS's

[John Thornton]

Samba is installed...

On 11/3/2015 9:26 AM, andy pugh wrote:
> On 3 November 2015 at 15:19, John Thornton  wrote:
>> Networking is also hosed up on my Debian computers and try as
>> I might I can't share files as freely around my LAN with the Debian
>> computers.
> You nay need to install Samba, it isn't there by default. I don't know
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Re: [Emc-users] Desktops and OS's

[Przemek Klosowski]

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Dave Cole  wrote:

>
> > US Postal System shipping labels (via PayPal, via Pitney Bowes, using
> > their Java craplet) is fraught with peril.  Dragons be here!  But who
> > knows?  It might work in Debian... for a week or two.
>
> Does this really surprise anyone??  USPS has a hard time getting mail to
> the right address let alone actually writing code.
>

Well, their Windows software may suck, but on the other hand they were one
of the first US Gov units that deployed a massive Linux infrastructure for
OCRing the address, sorting and routing it. It is an impressive setup.

It's interesting what will happen to them: it's a heavy ship with lots of
difficult and non-technical issues (employees, pensions ,politics and
funding). and the whole model is rapidly becoming obsolete: I would really
like to have my mail spam-filtered because most of the stuff they bring
into my house is junk, while the important stuff is important.

There was a startup that wanted to intercept my mail, and scan it, and
selectively deliver (spam-block most, keep electronic copy of the boring
stuff, and deliver the physically valuable stuff).  I liked the idea but
USPS blocked them, probably because of political considerations.
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[Jon Elson]

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Dave Cole 
 wrote:
>>> US Postal System shipping labels (via PayPal, via Pitney Bowes, using
>>> their Java craplet) is fraught with peril.  Dragons be here!  But who
>>> knows?  It might work in Debian... for a week or two.
Hmm, strange, I've had no trouble, and I use it VERY 
frequently, as I have a web store (mostly selling 
LinuxCNC-related gear).  People buy using PayPal, I ship 
USPS and FedEx, and use the money in PayPal to buy the 
postage online.  I've never had a problem with it.  The 
similar FedEx applet would sometimes print at the wrong 
scale, but they seem to have recently fixed that.

I only use Linux here, except for some CAD applications on 
Windows XP in a virtualbox environment.

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[Dave Cole]

Hi Jon,

I didn't write that.  I wrote a reply to that.

I have issues with Stamps.com.   I could print postage directly from 
USPS but Stamps.com is nicer, even though their app has scripting 
problems that they don't fix.
I have an Ebay store also but I tend not to use Ebay to print 
postage/shipping as it has been wrong before.   Recently Ebay has been 
really screwing up on large packages that weigh over 80lbs.

Dave

On 11/3/2015 12:58 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Dave Cole
>  wrote:
 US Postal System shipping labels (via PayPal, via Pitney Bowes, using
 their Java craplet) is fraught with peril.  Dragons be here!  But who
 knows?  It might work in Debian... for a week or two.
> Hmm, strange, I've had no trouble, and I use it VERY
> frequently, as I have a web store (mostly selling
> LinuxCNC-related gear).  People buy using PayPal, I ship
> USPS and FedEx, and use the money in PayPal to buy the
> postage online.  I've never had a problem with it.  The
> similar FedEx applet would sometimes print at the wrong
> scale, but they seem to have recently fixed that.
>
> I only use Linux here, except for some CAD applications on
> Windows XP in a virtualbox environment.
>
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Re: [Emc-users] Desktops and OS's

[John Thornton]

When I tried to use PayPal to print postage I was using my HP Deskjet 
1220C large format printer and I think that was the problem for me. I 
assume if I had a normal office printer it might have worked. In any 
case I save money using Stamps.com on everything except flat rate so it 
was a win for me.

JT

On 11/3/2015 11:58 AM, Jon Elson wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Dave Cole
>  wrote:
 US Postal System shipping labels (via PayPal, via Pitney Bowes, using
 their Java craplet) is fraught with peril.  Dragons be here!  But who
 knows?  It might work in Debian... for a week or two.
> Hmm, strange, I've had no trouble, and I use it VERY
> frequently, as I have a web store (mostly selling
> LinuxCNC-related gear).  People buy using PayPal, I ship
> USPS and FedEx, and use the money in PayPal to buy the
> postage online.  I've never had a problem with it.  The
> similar FedEx applet would sometimes print at the wrong
> scale, but they seem to have recently fixed that.
>
> I only use Linux here, except for some CAD applications on
> Windows XP in a virtualbox environment.
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Re: [Emc-users] Desktops and OS's

[John Thornton]

I use Stamps.com as well on a windows machine and it loses the scale if 
I let it go to sleep at night with the program running and the scale on. 
Other than that it does better than going to the post office because you 
can use zone boxes that are much cheaper than regular parcels, too bad 
they are phasing out the C box soon. Also I never could get paypal to 
print postage correctly and glad I gave up on that idea. From a Mac and 
Linux computer you have to use the online version to print postage. It's 
almost funny that Stamps.com doesn't even acknowledge the Linux world 
"Mac users should use Stamps.com Online to print postage."

Just checked and I'm using Version 12.1.1, maybe I should upgrade it so 
get some different problems lol.

JT

On 11/3/2015 10:28 AM, Dave Cole wrote:
> On 11/3/2015 8:12 AM, Bruce Layne wrote:
>> For example, printing
>> US Postal System shipping labels (via PayPal, via Pitney Bowes, using
>> their Java craplet) is fraught with peril.  Dragons be here!  But who
>> knows?  It might work in Debian... for a week or two.
> Does this really surprise anyone??  USPS has a hard time getting mail to
> the right address let alone actually writing code.
>
> I use Stamps.com software to print postage and I have the latest version
> running on Windows and every time I run it, I get a scripting error that
> I have to ignore.  It has been like that for years
> over multiple revisions!   And yes, the software is blessed by USPS.
> :-(But I figure if it works at all, it is better than waiting in
> line at the post office or trying to figure out their latest hours of
> operation which are geared to evade us pesky customers.
>
> Dave
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Re: [Emc-users] Desktops and OS's

[John Thornton]

Hi Rick,

Thanks for the Debian Hacks! At least file sharing works and low and 
behold it can find my network printer now :) ... still won't print but 
at least I can try some different things now.

Thanks
JT

On 11/3/2015 9:59 AM, Rick Lair wrote:
> John,
>
> Attached are some of my notes that I have found to be working in 
> regards to sharing over the network on Debian.
>
> You may have already tried these, but this is what I have found.
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> On 11/3/2015 10:44 AM, John Thornton wrote:
>> Samba is installed...
>>
>> On 11/3/2015 9:26 AM, andy pugh wrote:
>>> On 3 November 2015 at 15:19, John Thornton  wrote:
 Networking is also hosed up on my Debian computers and try as
 I might I can't share files as freely around my LAN with the Debian
 computers.
>>> You nay need to install Samba, it isn't there by default. I don't know
>>> if Avahi is or not.
>>>
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Re: [Emc-users] Desktops and OS's

[Jon Elson]

On 11/03/2015 12:19 PM, Dave Cole wrote:
> Hi Jon,
>
> I didn't write that.  I wrote a reply to that.
>
>
Sorry, I tried to unwind the attribution, but must have 
missed a level.

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Re: [Emc-users] Desktops and OS's

[Dave Cole]

On 11/3/2015 8:12 AM, Bruce Layne wrote:
> For example, printing
> US Postal System shipping labels (via PayPal, via Pitney Bowes, using
> their Java craplet) is fraught with peril.  Dragons be here!  But who
> knows?  It might work in Debian... for a week or two.

Does this really surprise anyone??  USPS has a hard time getting mail to 
the right address let alone actually writing code.

I use Stamps.com software to print postage and I have the latest version 
running on Windows and every time I run it, I get a scripting error that 
I have to ignore.  It has been like that for years
over multiple revisions!   And yes, the software is blessed by USPS.   
:-(But I figure if it works at all, it is better than waiting in 
line at the post office or trying to figure out their latest hours of
operation which are geared to evade us pesky customers.

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Re: [Emc-users] Desktops and OS's

[Bruce Layne]

Hmm  Maybe I'll get that new PC and just mess around with a few 
distros before committing to one and moving my data, email, etc.

Or maybe I'll make a slight horizontal move from Ubuntu to Kubuntu for a 
less Mac-ish user interface.

I blame PayPal and USPS for most of my PC woes.  They're probably not 
always the problem, but it's a good bet.

I guess my biggest concern with Debian running LinuxCNC... can I still 
watch YouTube videos while machining?



On 11/03/2015 10:19 AM, John Thornton wrote:
> Funny you should mention that, I can't print to my network printers from
> either Debian Wheezy computer but have no problem printing from Ubuntu
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Re: [Emc-users] Desktops and OS's

[Rick Lair]

John,

Attached are some of my notes that I have found to be working in regards 
to sharing over the network on Debian.


You may have already tried these, but this is what I have found.

Rick



On 11/3/2015 10:44 AM, John Thornton wrote:

Samba is installed...

On 11/3/2015 9:26 AM, andy pugh wrote:

On 3 November 2015 at 15:19, John Thornton  wrote:

Networking is also hosed up on my Debian computers and try as
I might I can't share files as freely around my LAN with the Debian
computers.

You nay need to install Samba, it isn't there by default. I don't know
if Avahi is or not.



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Re: [Emc-users] Desktops and OS's

[Moses McKnight]

To speak of Ubuntu vs. Debian is irrelevant when speaking of the user 
interface. 
  You can run Xubuntu and it will have the same user interface as the one used 
in the linuxcnc version of debian wheezy.  The differences are mostly minor in 
how they are set up.

That said, I have generally found *buntu to be easier to install and to have a 
nicer and easier to use default setup than Debian, but Linux Mint is even 
better 
than *buntu in those things.

On 11/03/2015 07:12 AM, Bruce Layne wrote:
> I last tried Debian when picking a distro when switching to Linux a very
> long time ago.  I've been using Ubuntu on my CNC tools and my desktop
> for the last few years and have converted some friends and family to
> Ubuntu... because I don't do Windows.  I tried Debian again recently
> when it was part of the installation ISO for the latest version of
> LinuxCNC.  I liked it better than Ubuntu, which seems a bit too Mac-like
> for my tastes.  I haven't used Debian on the desktop yet and haven't
> really used it much with LinuxCNC either, so I can't give it my
> endorsement, but I am very inclined to switch my desktop to Debian when
> I get a new PC.
>
> I should probably stick to the devil I know.  There are all of the
> hidden problems when switching to a new distro.  For example, printing
> US Postal System shipping labels (via PayPal, via Pitney Bowes, using
> their Java craplet) is fraught with peril.  Dragons be here!  But who
> knows?  It might work in Debian... for a week or two.
>
> At this point, I guess I'm basically adopting whatever distro LinuxCNC
> uses in the ISO for my desktop as well.  So far, from the little I've
> seen of it, I like the clean look of Debian, and it works the way my
> brain wants it to work.  Ubuntu seemed too clever for its own good
> sometimes, like the Mac, with things hidden where they are intuitive to
> everyone but me.  User interfaces are very subjective.  YMMV.
>
>
>
> On 11/03/2015 06:18 AM, John Thornton wrote:
>> My search is for one that is less annoying than any that I have tried in
>> Debian
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Re: [Emc-users] Desktops and OS's

[Dave Cole]

Have you considered installing a second screen on your machine?
Then just add a second PC so you can get full Youtube enjoyment :-)
I'm pretty sure that is an upgrade option now with Haas.   And if not  I 
suggested it here first!  ;-)

Dave


On 11/3/2015 11:02 AM, Bruce Layne wrote:
> Hmm  Maybe I'll get that new PC and just mess around with a few
> distros before committing to one and moving my data, email, etc.
>
> Or maybe I'll make a slight horizontal move from Ubuntu to Kubuntu for a
> less Mac-ish user interface.
>
> I blame PayPal and USPS for most of my PC woes.  They're probably not
> always the problem, but it's a good bet.
>
> I guess my biggest concern with Debian running LinuxCNC... can I still
> watch YouTube videos while machining?
>
>
>
> On 11/03/2015 10:19 AM, John Thornton wrote:
>> Funny you should mention that, I can't print to my network printers from
>> either Debian Wheezy computer but have no problem printing from Ubuntu
>> computers.
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Re: [Emc-users] Desktops and OS's

[andy pugh]

On 3 November 2015 at 16:28, Dave Cole  wrote:

> Does this really surprise anyone??  USPS has a hard time getting mail to
> the right address let alone actually writing code.

The difference is that in my case it is PayPal and Royal Mail, so it
isn't anything to do with USPS.

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