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2018-09-27 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 26 September 2018 14:06:36 Gene Heskett wrote: [...[ > After this mornings work, the major remaining error is the nearly 4 > thou the z screw moves endways because of a poorly fitted thrust > bearing. Thats too much backlash to correct with lcnc. And 3x the x > backlash. Its a bear

Re: [Emc-users] More on bed wear fix

2018-09-26 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 26 September 2018 16:17:15 andy pugh wrote: > On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 at 15:08, Gene Heskett wrote: > > And the 2nd is axial alignment, combined with the beam spreading at > > 30" out, gives a bar of light at full intensity that is around 2mm > > wide by 4mm long, and describes a

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2018-09-26 Thread andy pugh
On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 at 15:08, Gene Heskett wrote: > And the 2nd is axial alignment, combined with the beam spreading at 30" > out, gives a bar of light at full intensity that is around 2mm wide by > 4mm long, and describes a nearly 10 mm diameter circle on the target as > the spindle rotates. I

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2018-09-26 Thread Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users
The one I have was made by Avenger Products, model 21400. Uses G13A batteries. The company appears to have been bought by Jewett-Cameron circa 2011 and this particular product discontinued. Web archive! https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.avengerproducts.com:80/laser.asp Focus is

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2018-09-26 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 26 September 2018 10:59:34 Greg Bentzinger via Emc-users wrote: > Greg begin > > Am I going to be the 1st person to point out that the tailstock on > most lathe designs does not use the same ways as the lathe carriage > and therefore is not subject to the bed wear issue. No that

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2018-09-26 Thread Greg Bentzinger via Emc-users
Greg begin Am I going to be the 1st person to point out that the tailstock on most lathe designs does not use the same ways as the lathe carriage and therefore is not subject to the bed wear issue. If the tailstock is out it is mal-adjusted or the lathe is not leveled properly and you have

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2018-09-26 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 26 September 2018 05:23:42 andy pugh wrote: > On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 at 06:13, Chris Albertson wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 1:04 AM andy pugh wrote: > > > I can't help thinking that the way to determine the amount of > > > correction needed is to actually machine a test bar and

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2018-09-26 Thread andy pugh
On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 at 06:13, Chris Albertson wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 1:04 AM andy pugh wrote: > > > I can't help thinking that the way to determine the amount of > > correction needed is to actually machine a test bar and measure it. > A laser beam is straighter than any bar. and

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2018-09-26 Thread Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users
The V2 8 megapixel camera for Raspberry Pi uses the Sony IMX219 sensor which is a bit over 5mm wide by a bit under 5mm tall. They call it 1/4" diagonal. Should be able to hit that with a laser beam, if the pinhole lens can be removed. The first model Pi camera used the (since discontinued)

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2018-09-26 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 26 September 2018 01:11:50 Chris Albertson wrote: > On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 1:04 AM andy pugh wrote: > > I can't help thinking that the way to determine the amount of > > correction needed is to actually machine a test bar and measure it. > > A laser beam is straighter than any bar.

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2018-09-25 Thread Chris Albertson
On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 1:04 AM andy pugh wrote: > I can't help thinking that the way to determine the amount of > correction needed is to actually machine a test bar and measure it. > A laser beam is straighter than any bar. and is quicker and costs less. What you do is place a camera in the

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2018-09-25 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 25 September 2018 18:18:06 jeremy youngs wrote: > On Tue, Sep 25, 2018, 5:15 AM Gene Heskett gibs works great on TLM because > > > its carriage is so narrow its nigh impossible to use a qctp on it > > and keep the point of the tool within the carriages footprint on the > > bed. But I

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2018-09-25 Thread jeremy youngs
On Tue, Sep 25, 2018, 5:15 AM Gene Heskett its carriage is so narrow its nigh impossible to use a qctp on it and > keep the point of the tool within the carriages footprint on the bed. > But I have a vivid memory of the difficulty in getting the brass, > tapered gib dead straight with a file that

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2018-09-25 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 25 September 2018 13:51:20 Les Newell wrote: > Hi Gene, > > If I remember correctly the piece I used was only about 18" long but > about 4" diameter. Delrin that size is pretty spendy. I just used what > I had. Thats why I started with the 22" piece of A2 .500". But it did not turn

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2018-09-25 Thread Les Newell
Hi Gene, If I remember correctly the piece I used was only about 18" long but about 4" diameter. Delrin that size is pretty spendy. I just used what I had. I was setting head alignment so I didn't need it to be that much longer. If I can get the taper down to a gnat's over that distance I'm

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2018-09-25 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 25 September 2018 12:10:54 andy pugh wrote: > On Tue, 25 Sep 2018 at 16:56, Jon Elson wrote: > > You can't turn between centers, or at least that adds a > > whole new dimension to possible errors. > > That depends on the aim of the exercise. Is the aim to make straight > parts or to

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2018-09-25 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 25 September 2018 11:35:18 Jon Elson wrote: > On 09/25/2018 03:02 AM, andy pugh wrote: > > I can't help thinking that the way to determine the amount of > > correction needed is to actually machine a test bar and measure it. > > The problem here is that deflection of the bar, and also

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2018-09-25 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 25 September 2018 11:27:42 andy pugh wrote: > On Tue, 25 Sep 2018 at 16:15, Bengt Sjölund wrote: > > 6082 is a good candidate that machines well if you can get it to > > fair price. > > 800mm (31") of 2.75" 6082 is < £50 on eBay. > https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/281404474552 And doesn't

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2018-09-25 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 25 September 2018 10:56:44 Bengt Sjölund wrote: > 6082 is a good candidate that machines well if you can get it to fair > price. > 6082 isn't available from onlinemetals.com. I haven't checked other sources. Thanks Bengt. -- Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used

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2018-09-25 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 25 September 2018 09:30:53 andy pugh wrote: > On Tue, 25 Sep 2018 at 12:48, Les Newell wrote: > > That assumes your tailstock is dead nuts on. If not you're going to > > be trying to compensate for a mix of tailstock + bed errors. > > Indeed. In fact the linear component of the error

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2018-09-25 Thread andy pugh
On Tue, 25 Sep 2018 at 16:56, Jon Elson wrote: > You can't turn between centers, or at least that adds a > whole new dimension to possible errors. That depends on the aim of the exercise. Is the aim to make straight parts or to have a perfectly aligned lathe? -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle

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2018-09-25 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 25 September 2018 07:46:44 Les Newell wrote: > > I am talking in terms of a > > light cut on a stiff aluminium bar between centres. > > That assumes your tailstock is dead nuts on. If not you're going to be > trying to compensate for a mix of tailstock + bed errors. If you use > the

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2018-09-25 Thread Jon Elson
On 09/25/2018 03:02 AM, andy pugh wrote: I can't help thinking that the way to determine the amount of correction needed is to actually machine a test bar and measure it. The problem here is that deflection of the bar, and also the lathe, will affect the accuracy of the result. You can't turn

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2018-09-25 Thread andy pugh
On Tue, 25 Sep 2018 at 16:15, Bengt Sjölund wrote: > > 6082 is a good candidate that machines well if you can get it to fair price. 800mm (31") of 2.75" 6082 is < £50 on eBay. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/281404474552 -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is

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2018-09-25 Thread Bengt Sjölund
6082 is a good candidate that machines well if you can get it to fair price. Den 2018-09-25 kl. 16:51, skrev Gene Heskett: On Tuesday 25 September 2018 07:19:12 andy pugh wrote: On Tue, 25 Sep 2018 at 11:15, Gene Heskett wrote: This is also true. But that test bar costs money too. It can

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2018-09-25 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 25 September 2018 07:19:12 andy pugh wrote: > On Tue, 25 Sep 2018 at 11:15, Gene Heskett wrote: > > This is also true. But that test bar costs money too. > > It can stay in stock as useful material. I am talking in terms of a > light cut on a stiff aluminium bar between centres.

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2018-09-25 Thread andy pugh
On Tue, 25 Sep 2018 at 12:48, Les Newell wrote: > That assumes your tailstock is dead nuts on. If not you're going to be > trying to compensate for a mix of tailstock + bed errors. Indeed. In fact the linear component of the error will tell you how far from the _bed_ axis the tailstock is. A

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2018-09-25 Thread Les Newell
I am talking in terms of a light cut on a stiff aluminium bar between centres. That assumes your tailstock is dead nuts on. If not you're going to be trying to compensate for a mix of tailstock + bed errors. If you use the bar unsupported there are flex issues. Having said that you always get

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2018-09-25 Thread andy pugh
On Tue, 25 Sep 2018 at 11:15, Gene Heskett wrote: > This is also true. But that test bar costs money too. It can stay in stock as useful material. I am talking in terms of a light cut on a stiff aluminium bar between centres. -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and

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2018-09-25 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 25 September 2018 04:02:01 andy pugh wrote: > I can't help thinking that the way to determine the amount of > correction needed is to actually machine a test bar and measure it. This is also true. But that test bar costs money too. ATM, I am considering a tapered gib setup on the

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2018-09-25 Thread andy pugh
I can't help thinking that the way to determine the amount of correction needed is to actually machine a test bar and measure it. -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and lunatics." — George Fitch,

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2018-09-24 Thread Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users
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2018-09-24 Thread Greg Bentzinger via Emc-users
Gene - Xray film exposed to light and processed makes for a very heavy filter. Perhaps a single dental xray would provide enough material. Also if you know anyone who processes there own 35mm. Pan X or Plus X and maybe even Tri-X B film - the leader area will be fully blacked out. Pan X would be

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2018-09-24 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 24 September 2018 09:55:45 Les Newell wrote: > Hi Gene, > > I'd take the lens off of the camera so the beam directly hits the > sensor. The laser beam is co-linear so you don't need to focus it and > a lens just introduces distortion. Everything else will just be an > even colour

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2018-09-24 Thread Les Newell
Hi Gene, I'd take the lens off of the camera so the beam directly hits the sensor. The laser beam is co-linear so you don't need to focus it and a lens just introduces distortion. Everything else will just be an even colour background so you should be able to fairly easily distinguish

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2018-09-23 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 23 September 2018 19:55:21 Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users wrote: > A circular polarizing filter, like from a pair of RealD 3D movie > glasses, seems to both dim and 'sharpen' a LASER beam somewhat. What > it doesn't do is make the beam split into a row of dots like a linear > polarizing

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2018-09-23 Thread Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users
A circular polarizing filter, like from a pair of RealD 3D movie glasses, seems to both dim and 'sharpen' a LASER beam somewhat. What it doesn't do is make the beam split into a row of dots like a linear polarizing filter does. ___ Emc-users mailing

[Emc-users] More on bed wear fix

2018-09-23 Thread Gene Heskett
Greetings all; I seem to have carved, polished whatever, that mt5 to 5c adaptor pretty much in error, despite my last attempt to reduce the small end of it to fit the spindle taper, its still at least 10 thou small at the shoulder, and I am running out of shoulder as I keep pushing it to try