Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Ken Strauss
> -Original Message- > From: Gene Heskett [mailto:ghesk...@shentel.net] > Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2019 5:08 AM > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational > mode. > The point I was belaboring is that any one of us on this

[Emc-users] CANopen configuration files

2019-03-10 Thread Nicklas Karlsson
I think like this is good for configuration of periodically transmitted PDOs both on ordinary CAN network and CANopen over Ethercat and possible others. Pins available for component in hal file come from mapping entries. From 0x1600 to 0x17FF for RPDO mapping parameters. From 0x1A00 to 0x1BFF

Re: [Emc-users] STM32 Blue Pill --> multicore isolation

2019-03-10 Thread John Dammeyer
> -Original Message- > From: Nicklas Karlsson [mailto:nicklas.karlsso...@gmail.com] > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Chris Albertson [mailto:albertson.ch...@gmail.com] > > > > > > > The STM32 has no problem with MHz level bit flipping. Reading or > > > creating is MHz

Re: [Emc-users] CANopen configuration files

2019-03-10 Thread Nicklas Karlsson
On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 09:45:02 -0700 "John Dammeyer" wrote: > Not all devices allow changing the PDO Mapping entries. Some of them first > require setting the unit into a programming mode. Then you write to those > locations. Then send a save command. On power up the device fills them in >

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Jon Elson
On 03/10/2019 04:29 AM, Andrew wrote: Have any of us taken a geiger counter to the grocery store and checked the bagged or canned tuna lately? If I could find one I could afford, I would have long ago, but even junk thats for parts is half a kilobuck. If you think tuna might be bad, check your

Re: [Emc-users] CANopen configuration files

2019-03-10 Thread John Dammeyer
> -Original Message- > From: Nicklas Karlsson [mailto:nicklas.karlsso...@gmail.com] > On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 09:45:02 -0700 > "John Dammeyer" wrote: > > > Not all devices allow changing the PDO Mapping entries. Some of them > first require setting the unit into a programming mode. Then

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Nicklas Karlsson
You certainly got your problem in Ukraine, I guess Belarus and Ukraine is where most of world war II effort in both directions was spent and then came Chernobyl disaster. > I live in Ukraine where Chernobyl disaster happened in 1986. I also live in > the region with uranium mines. > So we used

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Jon Elson
On 03/09/2019 09:23 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: Unfortunately for us, the sun has its own way of balanceing things and it generally Just Works. Thank $Diety its not big enough to nova, but will end ts life in 5 billion years as a bettelgues? lookalike. No, Betelgeuse is 30 solar masses, and will

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Jon Elson
On Saturday 09 March 2019 23:43:26 Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users wrote: The one problem I see as being really troublesome with the design of Fukushima is that it apparently was incapable of being fully self powering of all its systems at any time. No, not true. They had at least SEVEN

Re: [Emc-users] STM32 Blue Pill --> distance between pins

2019-03-10 Thread John Dammeyer
> -Original Message- > From: Nicklas Karlsson [mailto:nicklas.karlsso...@gmail.com] > On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 11:57:53 -0500 > Jon Elson wrote: > > > On 03/10/2019 05:18 AM, Nicklas Karlsson wrote: > > >> Hey Chris, > > >> > > >> AFAIK, the Pi has better HDMI support compared to the

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Jon Elson
On 03/09/2019 10:43 PM, Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users wrote: But such systems have existed for 30+ years. Many types of factories and plants use computer screens with graphical schematics and readouts of all the critical things. Operators can point and click to open and close valves, adjust

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Greg Bernard
Wow, Jon! That was the best analysis of those disasters I've ever read. Maybe you should consider a career as a science writer! On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 11:54 AM Jon Elson wrote: > On 03/10/2019 04:29 AM, Andrew wrote: > > Have any of us taken > > a geiger counter to the grocery store and

Re: [Emc-users] STM32 Blue Pill --> distance between pins

2019-03-10 Thread John Dammeyer
> -Original Message- > From: Jon Elson [mailto:el...@pico-systems.com] > Sent: March-10-19 9:58 AM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] STM32 Blue Pill --> distance between pins > > On 03/10/2019 05:18 AM, Nicklas Karlsson wrote: > >> Hey Chris, > >> > >>

Re: [Emc-users] STM32 Blue Pill --> multicore isolation

2019-03-10 Thread Nicklas Karlsson
> > -Original Message- > > From: Nicklas Karlsson [mailto:nicklas.karlsso...@gmail.com] > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Chris Albertson [mailto:albertson.ch...@gmail.com] > > > > > > > > > > The STM32 has no problem with MHz level bit flipping. Reading or > > > >

Re: [Emc-users] STM32 Blue Pill --> distance between pins

2019-03-10 Thread Nicklas Karlsson
On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 11:57:53 -0500 Jon Elson wrote: > On 03/10/2019 05:18 AM, Nicklas Karlsson wrote: > >> Hey Chris, > >> > >> AFAIK, the Pi has better HDMI support compared to the Beagle but then it > >> was designed more for multimedia. The Beagle PRUs have the advantage that > >> they

Re: [Emc-users] STM32 Blue Pill --> distance between pins

2019-03-10 Thread John Dammeyer
I think we're actually all saying about the same thing. A controller like a PC or a Pi3 needs some sort of external hardware that can deal with high speed quadrature encoders. Whether it's done with a STM32 or FPGS doesn't really matter for the sake of discussion. Meanwhile, as Jon

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Chris Albertson
California, where I live passed a law that the electric grid be powered by 100% renewable energy. Some said it was a dream but economic forces are already such that the plan is ahead of schedule. Last year for a few days the grid over 50% renewable You get about 17 megawatt hours ($2800 at my

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Kirk Wallace
On 3/10/19 2:12 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: California, where I live passed a law that the electric grid be powered by 100% renewable energy. Some said it was a dream but economic forces are already such that the plan is ahead of schedule. Last year for a few days the grid over 50% renewable

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 10 March 2019 10:32:34 Ken Strauss wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Gene Heskett [mailto:ghesk...@shentel.net] > > Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2019 5:08 AM > > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re > > Conversational

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Greg Bernard
Interesting stuff, Jon. Didn't know about the ongoing cleanup at Three Mile but it doesn't surprise me. Now I'm going to put you on the spot. Given our current need for carbon-free energy, do you see nuclear as a viable option? On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 3:06 PM Jon Elson wrote: > On 03/10/2019

Re: [Emc-users] STM32 Blue Pill

2019-03-10 Thread Chris Albertson
Yes the PRU is unique. This is both good and bad. Bad because using it locks you to Texas Instruments "forever" Good because the PRU bandwidth is very good because of the shared memory. As for debugging. The STM32 has that, hardware breakpoint and all. The STM32 now has about 2/3 of the

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Jon Elson
On 03/10/2019 12:41 PM, Greg Bernard wrote: Wow, Jon! That was the best analysis of those disasters I've ever read. Maybe you should consider a career as a science writer! I got real interested in Chernobyl and read up a LOT about it. I also got a most INCREDIBLE tour of our nearest

Re: [Emc-users] STM32 Blue Pill --> distance between pins

2019-03-10 Thread Jon Elson
On 03/10/2019 01:24 PM, Nicklas Karlsson wrote: On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 11:57:53 -0500 Jon Elson wrote: Charles Steinkuehler wrote a general driver for Machinekit that uses the PRU for step generation, PWM and encoder input. But why use a PRU then this kind of hardware is usually part of the

Re: [Emc-users] STM32 Blue Pill --> distance between pins

2019-03-10 Thread Nicklas Karlsson
> > ... > Jon, > You make a very good point. Why bother, with the new 32 bit controllers that > do so much even bother with the antiquated idea that the LinuxCNC PC should > close the loop on positioning. Running encoders from a servo motor back into > the PC to some sort of controller board

Re: [Emc-users] CANopen configuration files

2019-03-10 Thread John Dammeyer
Not all devices allow changing the PDO Mapping entries. Some of them first require setting the unit into a programming mode. Then you write to those locations. Then send a save command. On power up the device fills them in itself. You need to use SDOs to change those locations so you will

Re: [Emc-users] STM32 Blue Pill --> distance between pins

2019-03-10 Thread Jon Elson
On 03/10/2019 05:18 AM, Nicklas Karlsson wrote: Hey Chris, AFAIK, the Pi has better HDMI support compared to the Beagle but then it was designed more for multimedia. The Beagle PRUs have the advantage that they have access to some of the Beagle Processor RAM. That gives them a bit of an

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Dave Matthews
On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 5:15 PM Chris Albertson wrote: > You get about 17 megawatt hours ($2800 at my current rate) from one > $400 panel before the 20 year warranty expires. That is a 30% rate > of return on the initial investment. Itis no wonder that Telsa is > offering to place panels on

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 10 March 2019 16:04:28 Jon Elson wrote: > On 03/10/2019 12:41 PM, Greg Bernard wrote: > > Wow, Jon! That was the best analysis of those disasters I've ever > > read. Maybe you should consider a career as a science writer! > > I got real interested in Chernobyl and read up a LOT about >

[Emc-users] linuxcnc brain surgery

2019-03-10 Thread TJoseph Powderly
https://ciis.lcsr.jhu.edu/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=courses:446:2016:446-2016-18:project_18_main_page but where does the LinuxCNC Rocket Science class meet? pretty cool kins too tomp ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 10 March 2019 22:57:02 Przemek Klosowski wrote: > On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 10:26 PM Gene Heskett wrote: > > Leave it to humans with no concept of common sense, but lots of > > don't rock the boat > > rules and you get TMI, Chernobyl, and Fukushima. And probably 100 > > more lessor

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Bruce Layne
On 3/10/19 5:12 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: > California, where I live passed a law that the electric grid be > powered by 100% renewable energy. Some said it was a dream but > economic forces are already such that the plan is ahead of schedule. > Last year for a few days the grid over 50%

Re: [Emc-users] STM32 Blue Pill

2019-03-10 Thread Chris Albertson
What market share gives a product familty is suport for a while eco system. For example I think the basic Arduino is not the best or most usfull platform but because it is so popular there is so much suport for it. ANy device likey has an Arduino library written for it and by know just about

Re: [Emc-users] STM32 Blue Pill --> distance between pins

2019-03-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 10 March 2019 15:45:06 John Dammeyer wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Nicklas Karlsson [mailto:nicklas.karlsso...@gmail.com] > > On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 11:57:53 -0500 > > > > Jon Elson wrote: > > > On 03/10/2019 05:18 AM, Nicklas Karlsson wrote: > > > >> Hey Chris, > > > >>

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Jon Elson
On 03/10/2019 04:16 PM, Greg Bernard wrote: Interesting stuff, Jon. Didn't know about the ongoing cleanup at Three Mile but it doesn't surprise me. Now I'm going to put you on the spot. Given our current need for carbon-free energy, do you see nuclear as a viable option? Yes! If a properly

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Thaddeus Waldner
Venezuela is neither an example of a failed economy nor an example of a government controlled economy. The government controls 30% of the economy, the same as or less than most developed countries. Low oil prices and US sanctions are responsible for economic issues, not the government.

Re: [Emc-users] CANopen configuration files

2019-03-10 Thread Nicklas Karlsson
I got problem, parameter value is not assigned then rtapi_app_main(...) function is called. The is the usual problem, I have to sleep and go to work tommorow. On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 12:45:06 -0700 "John Dammeyer" wrote: > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Nicklas Karlsson

Re: [Emc-users] STM32 Blue Pill

2019-03-10 Thread John Dammeyer
Hi Chris, Way back the MC6805 was listed as having the most market share. I'm not sure whether the STM32 has the most or if it's really just the ARM architecture. Numbers like that always get thrown around to appeal to the "Join the Popular Crowd Group". When I start a new project, like

Re: [Emc-users] STM32 Blue Pill --> multicore isolation

2019-03-10 Thread Chris Albertson
This is also a good reason to use Ethernet (or Ethercat). All Ethernet cables are galvanically isolated by transformers. I think this is a little known fact, Ethernet uses magnetic isolation to prevent ground loops. This is kind of a big deal in a large system. Some types of signals just

Re: [Emc-users] STM32 Blue Pill --> boot loader

2019-03-10 Thread Chris Albertson
On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 3:23 AM Nicklas Karlsson wrote: > > > Which boot loader? I got my ST-Link dongle to load a couple of > > bootloader files but neither seemed to work. Do you mean that the boot loader loaded but did not run, maybe have a bug or that you could not load the bootloader?

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 10 March 2019 12:53:04 Jon Elson wrote: > On 03/10/2019 04:29 AM, Andrew wrote: > > Have any of us taken > > a geiger counter to the grocery store and checked the bagged or > > canned tuna lately? If I could find one I could afford, I would have > > long ago, but even junk thats for

[Emc-users] OT: Re: Fixing the deserts.

2019-03-10 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 10.03.19 20:02, Marshland Engineering wrote: > Hi Erik > > I know you are up to eyeballs at the moment, but here is a really interesting > TED talk. > > https://www.ted.com/talks/allan_savory_how_to_green_the_world_s_deserts_and_reverse_climate_change#t-1320745 Either my one HDMI monitor has

Re: [Emc-users] LCNC logic

2019-03-10 Thread a k
hi last time i did wired motor drive was in 2004, i forgot things. i need look not from drive side -pin but from 7i33 side. 7i33 pin amp P3 (connector) 2 ENCA0 1 3/ ENCA0

Re: [Emc-users] STM32 Blue Pill --> boot loader

2019-03-10 Thread Kirk Wallace
Thank you for the tips. I was hoping to make a webpage documenting what I have tried so far in more detail. Maybe it will get done tonight. (Darn I can't hear myself type -- it's raining again.) On 3/10/19 4:27 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 3:23 AM Nicklas Karlsson

Re: [Emc-users] STM32 Blue Pill

2019-03-10 Thread John Dammeyer
> -Original Message- > From: Chris Albertson [mailto:albertson.ch...@gmail.com] > > What market share gives a product familty is suport for a while eco > system. For example I think the basic Arduino is not the best or > most usfull platform but because it is so popular there is so

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Jon Elson
On 03/10/2019 09:57 PM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 10:26 PM Gene Heskett wrote: Leave it to humans with no concept of common sense, but lots of don't rock the boat rules and you get TMI, Chernobyl, and Fukushima. And probably 100 more lessor 'accidents' we haven't been

Re: [Emc-users] linuxcnc brain surgery

2019-03-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 11 March 2019 00:07:24 TJoseph Powderly wrote: > https://ciis.lcsr.jhu.edu/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=courses:446:2016:446-20 >16-18:project_18_main_page but where does the LinuxCNC Rocket Science > class meet? Taint rocket science. This would be wrapping 3d trace data up, probably with

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Greg Bernard
Thanks once again, Jon. I've slowly been coming to the same conclusion, though lacking the detailed knowledge as you. The part that concerns me the most however is your caveat of being "run by a competent organization". ;) On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 7:31 PM Jon Elson wrote: > On 03/10/2019 04:16

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 10:26 PM Gene Heskett wrote: > Leave it to humans with no concept of common sense, but lots of don't > rock the boat > rules and you get TMI, Chernobyl, and Fukushima. And probably 100 more > lessor 'accidents' we haven't been told about. > Gene, this is just not the

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 10.03.19 21:24, Rafael Skodlar wrote: > Only profiteers that pay off soviet style politicians. You want a "solar > company" to use your roof rent free and claim you have a profit? What about > roof leaks, Here in Australia factory painted galvanised steel sheet roofing is popular in rural

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Andrew
Right. But many European countries suffered in WW II too, so I can't insist we were exclusive. The greatest problem for Ukraine has been very long Russian and Soviet occupation, which lead to enormous Holodomor in 1930s when millions of people were intentionally starved to death, and many other

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Rafael Skodlar
On 3/10/19 2:12 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: California, where I live passed a law that the electric grid be powered by 100% renewable energy. Some said it was a dream but economic forces are already such that the plan is ahead of schedule. Last year for a few days the grid over 50% renewable

Re: [Emc-users] STM32 Blue Pill --> boot loader

2019-03-10 Thread Kirk Wallace
On 3/10/19 6:25 PM, Kirk Wallace wrote: Thank you for the tips. I was hoping to make a webpage documenting what I have tried so far in more detail. Maybe it will get done tonight. Just in case of interest, here is what I have started: http://wallacecompany.com/STM32_Blue_Pill/ -- Kirk

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Andrew
I live in Ukraine where Chernobyl disaster happened in 1986. I also live in the region with uranium mines. So we used to be very interested in radiation and all this stuff. Everyday the weather forecast on the radio said the background radiation level in uR/hr (probably still says but I don't

[Emc-users] Hijack Forum

2019-03-10 Thread Marshland Engineering
Sorry chaps, I seem to have done this again. It seems that if I get a personal email from an inmate, with their name as the sender, when I reply, it goes to the forum and not them. I needed to do a copy and paste in the email address to make it reply correctly. Wont do that again. Wallace

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Andrew
нд, 10 бер. 2019 о 11:10 Gene Heskett: > The point I was belaboring is that any one of us on this list could fix > all that including me. But we'ed never in the next 10k years, be allowed > to because the regulation is being done by people who have never > understood the real power of the genie

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 10 March 2019 05:29:11 Andrew wrote: > нд, 10 бер. 2019 о 11:10 Gene Heskett: > > The point I was belaboring is that any one of us on this list could > > fix all that including me. But we'ed never in the next 10k years, be > > allowed to because the regulation is being done by people

Re: [Emc-users] STM32 Blue Pill --> boot loader

2019-03-10 Thread Nicklas Karlsson
On Sat, 9 Mar 2019 14:48:28 -0800 Kirk Wallace wrote: > On 3/8/19 11:55 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: > > The easy way to program a "Blue Pill" is with the Arduino IDE. > ... > > The way you program this is to just connect them to the USB port like an > > Arduino. But the key is > > you need to

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Where's them fires. [Was: Re Conversational mode.

2019-03-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 09 March 2019 23:43:26 Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users wrote: > Three Mile Island's containment worked. Only a small amount of > radioactive steam got outside. What prolonged the incident was the > location of an indicator lamp. While the crew was clustered in one > spot trying to figure

Re: [Emc-users] STM32 Blue Pill --> multicore isolation

2019-03-10 Thread Nicklas Karlsson
> > -Original Message- > > From: Chris Albertson [mailto:albertson.ch...@gmail.com] > > > > The STM32 has no problem with MHz level bit flipping. Reading or > > creating is MHz level is not hard. > > And the Pi3 has to be about the most well understood and documented > > machines on

Re: [Emc-users] STM32 Blue Pill --> distance between pins

2019-03-10 Thread Nicklas Karlsson
> Hey Chris, > > AFAIK, the Pi has better HDMI support compared to the Beagle but then it was > designed more for multimedia. The Beagle PRUs have the advantage that they > have access to some of the Beagle Processor RAM. That gives them a bit of an > advantage over the PI/32 bit hybrid