Re: [-empyre-] sex death love - on AGEING

2019-10-01 Thread Miha Colner
--empyre- soft-skinned space--Dear all, thank you for contributions; they are diverse but the issue of ageing has so many different angles that it diversity is inevitable; what I meant with the battle between generations is that there are inherently different

Re: [-empyre-] sex death love - on AGEING

2019-09-30 Thread Murat Nemet-Nejat
--empyre- soft-skinned space--Is anybody familiar with German director Fassbinder's film *Fear Eats the Soul, *the love between a German woman in her sixties and a North African man in around his forties? Murat On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 11:04 AM warkk wrote: >

Re: [-empyre-] sex death love - on AGEING

2019-09-30 Thread warkk
--empyre- soft-skinned space--thank you Shu Lea for recalling Sandy’s legendary performance. It’s also described in the book I’m writing about right now: Time is a thing a body moves through by T. Fleischmann. The book is a lovely meditation on Felix Gonzales Torres

Re: [-empyre-] sex death love - on AGEING

2019-09-30 Thread Annie Abrahams
--empyre- soft-skinned space--Hi all, Trying to look back at these few days I notice it is difficult to treat the subject of "sexuality and age" in public. I read some very touching stories on ageing (Simon, Ana), but we only sidewise touched on sexuality, on the kind

Re: [-empyre-] sex death love - on AGEING

2019-09-30 Thread Allucquere Rosanne Stone
--empyre- soft-skinned space--I just returned from dinner with a robust, boisterous group of people who live in cohousing.  They decided to follow Donna's injunction to "make kin", and they're successful at it. People of many ages, many professions, including the

Re: [-empyre-] sex death love - on AGEING

2019-09-30 Thread Allucquere Rosanne Stone
--empyre- soft-skinned space-- I just returned from dinner with a robust, boisterous group of people who live in cohousing.  They decided to follow Donna's injunction to "make kin", and they're successful at it. People of many ages, many professions, including the

Re: [-empyre-] sex death love - on AGEING

2019-09-29 Thread Simon
--empyre- soft-skinned space-- Thanks, Ana. Your story of the 80 year-old prompts me to reply. My small family lived with my parents in separate buildings on the same property. The kids grew up through their aging and dying. I had the privilege of nursing both my

Re: [-empyre-] sex death love - on AGEING

2019-09-29 Thread Alan Sondheim
--empyre- soft-skinned space-- This opens up so many areas. Attention issues are a critical issue in education today; I don't think even now that cellphone addiction has been sufficiently dealt with or at least addressed. I keep hearing people making snap decisions

Re: [-empyre-] sex death love - on AGEING

2019-09-29 Thread Theresa Halula
--empyre- soft-skinned space-- On being "old" I don't fell much older than I did at 20.  But tell that to a 25 year old when they are telling mehow things are today, that the culture has changed and I just don't see what has happened.I'm working with a group of young

Re: [-empyre-] sex death love - on AGEING

2019-09-29 Thread Murat Nemet-Nejat
--empyre- soft-skinned space--Dear Miha. teal, You approach aging from a metaphysical, intellectual point of view. Whereas, aging/dying is a series of losses. When you arrive at your last loss, you die. This is interior, subjective, not analytical or metaphysical,

Re: [-empyre-] sex death love - on AGEING

2019-09-29 Thread Alan Sondheim
--empyre- soft-skinned space-- Hi Miha and thank you! A couple of points - you contrast older people in positions of power with younger people who want to participate in that. And I agree of course. But this is not the normative state of the elderly, at least in

Re: [-empyre-] sex death love - on AGEING

2019-09-29 Thread Miha Colner
--empyre- soft-skinned space--Dear Alan, thank you for your response; it is obvious that people of age are often the subject of caricaturing and laughter; the things which are expected from elderly such as being wise and calm are probably even more frustrating; as

Re: [-empyre-] sex death love - on AGEING

2019-09-28 Thread Murat Nemet-Nejat
--empyre- soft-skinned space--Yes, Ruth. Thank you for your response. Murat On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 11:03 PM Ruth Catlow wrote: > --empyre- soft-skinned space-- > Dear Murat, > > I take your point. And its a good call to invite me to

Re: [-empyre-] sex death love - on AGEING

2019-09-28 Thread Ruth Catlow
--empyre- soft-skinned space--Dear Murat, I take your point. And its a good call to invite me to re-read Alan's post, which I think resonates with my own (in the description of grandparent as a constraining assigned role). I was careless. I value the insights into

Re: [-empyre-] sex death love - on AGEING

2019-09-28 Thread Murat Nemet-Nejat
--empyre- soft-skinned space--Hi Ruth and other participants, Why is the issue and prejudices around aging are focused around women with the added implication that these prejudices are the work of men ("the machinery of patriarch")? As if men do not get old and suffer

Re: [-empyre-] sex death love - on AGEING

2019-09-28 Thread Ruth Catlow
--empyre- soft-skinned space--I'd like to thank you all, and especially Annie, for your writing in this thread. I remember in 2010 when Annie wrote about menopause and sexuality. I was struck by her anger that no-one ever told her/us that it might be that way. The

Re: [-empyre-] sex death love - on AGEING

2019-09-28 Thread Annie Abrahams
--empyre- soft-skinned space--Hi Sandy, I'm sorry if I gave that impression, but your remarks were so full of enthusiasm and positivity that I needed another take on it. I think you understand that. Your remark triggered something in me that I tried to analyze and

Re: [-empyre-] sex death love - on AGEING

2019-09-27 Thread Allucquere Rosanne Stone
--empyre- soft-skinned space-- Hi Annie, I'm not sure if you were claiming that my remarks, insofar as they touched on sex, confirmed "mainstream" ideas.  Perhaps what I wrote could have been read that way, but only if you don't know me very well. :-) Cheers, Sandy

Re: [-empyre-] sex death love - on AGEING

2019-09-27 Thread Alan Sondheim
--empyre- soft-skinned space-- I just have a few comments to make; at the age of 76 I should be entitled to! :-) Aging, in the U.S., is the last refuge of violent caricaturing, laughter, and ignorance in the mainstream media. Almost every episode, for example, of

Re: [-empyre-] sex death love - on AGEING

2019-09-27 Thread Miha Colner
--empyre- soft-skinned space--Thank you so much for the references and starting points; it is true that there hasn't been much discussion about the sexuality in the older age; it is definitely a taboo and I guess it would make (most) people very uncomfortable talking

Re: [-empyre-] sex death love - on AGEING

2019-09-27 Thread Annie Abrahams
--empyre- soft-skinned space--Dear all, When McKenzie asked about ageing and Sandy answered I felt unease. I thought my own experience not relevant for the context and so I didn't react. Also I needed some distance to check my feelings and to see if this wasn't an only

Re: [-empyre-] sex death love - on AGEING

2019-09-27 Thread pedro
--empyre- soft-skinned space--hi on this theme, there's been a good experiment in Ibarra, Ecuador, an artistic residency in a half-forgotten old people's home Arte para no olvidar organized by TOLA https://www.facebook.com/TOLACULTURA/ scroll down 4 photos tomorrow is

Re: [-empyre-] sex death love - on AGEING

2019-09-27 Thread Miha Colner
--empyre- soft-skinned space--Dear all, as Shu Lea Cheang already announced the next topic is addressing the issues of "sex death love and ageing"; Hereby I am sharing a textual proposal for an exhibition and a year-long project about different aspects of ageing; the

[-empyre-] sex death love - on AGEING

2019-09-26 Thread Shu Lea Cheang
--empyre- soft-skinned space-- dear empyre-ers The September month on -empyre- doesnt seem to be ending, so many threads to follow up... Let me recall some moments - McKenzie Wark ever so inncocently – 11/09/2019 post /So Sandy: can you tell me a it about