Re: [-empyre-] poets patrons and the word academic

2010-01-03 Thread Sally Jane Norman
thanks and happy new decade all, lots here to mull through; where and how do/ can we draw the line between bad art and bad causes? kia ora sjn From: empyre-boun...@gamera.cofa.unsw.edu.au [empyre-boun...@gamera.cofa.unsw.edu.au] On Behalf Of Johanna

[-empyre-] Guilty as Charged?

2010-01-03 Thread John Haber
To pick up from yesterday, language reflects the conflicts in the term's history. If art is complicit with the system, then logically it must also be implicit in the system. Conversely, the system must then be implicit or explicit in the art. This is mere wordplay, but already the blame game

Re: [-empyre-] poets patrons and the word academic

2010-01-03 Thread G.H. Hovagimyan
gh comments below: On Jan 2, 2010, at 8:52 PM, Johanna Drucker wrote: Artists should make what they want. But when we get to the critical discussion of the cultural role and function of aesthetic objects, the claims for the work often come out of a need for critical discourse to find

Re: [-empyre-] poets patrons and the word academic

2010-01-03 Thread G.H. Hovagimyan
gh comments below: On Jan 3, 2010, at 4:30 AM, Sally Jane Norman wrote: where and how do/ can we draw the line between bad art and bad causes? gh comments: Bad art is an aesthetic decision that is subjective. I've seen in my lifetime art that was considered bad to become re-evaluated as

Re: [-empyre-] empyre Digest, Vol 62, Issue 3

2010-01-03 Thread John Haber
If I follow right, the argument is that we are all complicit, and have to get used to the idea that we have to work within the beast. That's a good, concise way of putting it. I don't mean to pick on artists who just do what they do, but someone has to help make what they do still potent.

Re: [-empyre-] poets patrons and the word academic

2010-01-03 Thread davin heckman
Maybe bad art is art that does a bad thing. There is art which tries to make a moral evil look like a moral good (take, for instance, nature photography that is used to give a notorious polluter a positive reputation or, say, propaganda which seeks to convince people that a human rights