Re: [-empyre-] empyre Digest, Vol 68, Issue 10 / is there a will to create / the social beyond the mechanisim?

2010-07-15 Thread Julian Oliver
Hi, ..on Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 09:33:12AM +0100, Simon Biggs wrote: I am using agency in a sense that some might find contentious as I am considering it as an ontological phenomena in a context where individuals, whether human or animal, alive or inert, physical or virtual, are not where

Re: [-empyre-] Creativity as a social ontology

2010-07-15 Thread Julian Oliver
..on Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 09:00:59AM -0700, { brad brace } wrote: My FB account with 5000 appreciative 'friends' was immediately disabled once I began to sell collections of (enhanced/enlarged) profile portraits. The hierarchical social network hasn't changed a bit. I've moved the project

Re: [-empyre-] empyre Digest, Vol 68, Issue 10 / is there a will to create / the social beyond the mechanisim?

2010-07-15 Thread Simon Biggs
Hi Julian Yes, all your points are of interest. I hadn't thought of the Serres connection, but clearly as this is to do with the autopoeitic then cybernetics is part of the mix, particularly that of Maturana and Varela. Bergson's view is echoed during the modern era by Heissenberg, who was less

Re: [-empyre-] empyre Digest, Vol 68, Issue 10 / is there a will to create / the social beyond the mechanisim?

2010-07-15 Thread Sean Cubitt
Absolutely so Simon: and more power to you for having the bottle to go ontological. The axiom can be -- should be -- further reduced: what is the materiality of the formative agency which constitutes relationships and forms things? (You already know which rabbit is in the hat, simon, but allow me

Re: [-empyre-] empyre Digest, Vol 68, Issue 10 / is there a will to create / the social beyond the mechanisim?

2010-07-15 Thread j.martin.pedersen
... On 15/07/10 09:33, Simon Biggs wrote: I am using agency in a sense that some might find contentious as I am considering it as an ontological phenomena in a context where individuals, whether human or animal, alive or inert, physical or virtual, are not where agency is located. Rather, I

Re: [-empyre-] empyre Digest, Vol 68, Issue 10 / is there a will to create / the social beyond the mechanisim?

2010-07-15 Thread Simon Biggs
Hi Martin All good stuff, although I would resist any mystical interpretations of what I am considering. I see it as concerned with the materiality of things. You might be able to take a Lovelockian view of what I am proposing, although I am not entirely happy with that idea either. I am not

Re: [-empyre-] empyre Digest, Vol 68, Issue 10 / is there a will to create / the social beyond the mechanisim?

2010-07-15 Thread Simon Biggs
Is going ontological similar to going nuclear? Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk si...@littlepig.org.uk Skype: simonbiggsuk http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ Research Professor edinburgh college of art http://www.eca.ac.uk/ Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments

Re: [-empyre-] empyre Digest, Vol 68, Issue 10 / is there a will to create / the social beyond the mechanisim?

2010-07-15 Thread christopher sullivan
Hi Sean, Simon, but to reduce to some primordial state, seams hardly a reflection of conscious behavior. It seams to lead to a human math, no good no bad, no empathy, just unconscious reaction. We are still operating our lives in the concrete world of language, (as this post supports, in it's