Re: [-empyre-] Cyberwar against St Louis / Ferguson
--empyre- soft-skinned space-- Ferguson is going to burn down, that's for sure. And the grand joury should be conscient and take their responsability about what is going to happen. That's the kind of arrogant behaviour who make people angry, frustrated and violent. Ana On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 12:39 AM, Alan Sondheim sondh...@panix.com wrote: --empyre- soft-skinned space-- See images below: A Missouri grand jury has decided not to indict Ferguson police Officer Darren Wilson [www.cnn.com] in the August 9 shooting death of Michael Brown, prosecutor Robert McCulloch said Monday. The incident became a flashpoint for racial tension in the St. Louis suburb; Brown was black and Wilson is white. Brown's father and others had called for calm ahead of the grand jury's decision, which comes amid concerns over the possibility of violent protests. http://www.alansondheim.org/Ferguson1.png http://www.alansondheim.org/Ferguson2.png http://www.alansondheim.org/Ferguson3.png ___ empyre forum empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au http://empyre.library.cornell.edu -- http://www.twitter.com/caravia15860606060 http://www.scoop.it/t/art-and-activism/ http://www.scoop.it/t/food-history-and-trivia http://www.scoop.it/t/urbanism-3-0 cell Sweden +4670-3213370 cell Uruguay +598-99470758 When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always long to return. — Leonardo da Vinci ___ empyre forum empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au http://empyre.library.cornell.edu
Re: [-empyre-] Cyberwar against St Louis / Ferguson
--empyre- soft-skinned space-- I agree with you but I don't think the grand jury was arrogant; the deliberation went on for two days and I think everyone is scared as hell. That said, the police are out of control here, there are so many goddamn guns on the street - there was an unarmed black shot just three days ago in NYC in a stairwell! You know who's arrogant? All of us who look at these symbols and say - they're out there, they're not us. But at least in the U.S. it's all us, we're all arrogant, and racism is so embedded in this society that it's a wonder war hasn't broken out here yet. And it will I think. - Alan On Tue, 25 Nov 2014, Ana Vald?s wrote: --empyre- soft-skinned space-- Ferguson is going to burn down, that's for sure. And the grand joury should be conscient and take their responsability about what is going to happen. That's the kind of arrogant behaviour who make people angry, frustrated and violent. Ana On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 12:39 AM, Alan Sondheim sondh...@panix.com wrote: --empyre- soft-skinned space-- See images below: A Missouri grand jury has decided not to indict Ferguson police Officer Darren Wilson [www.cnn.com] in the August 9 shooting death of Michael Brown, prosecutor Robert McCulloch said Monday. The incident became a flashpoint for racial tension in the St. Louis suburb; Brown was black and Wilson is white. Brown's father and others had called for calm ahead of the grand jury's decision, which comes amid concerns over the possibility of violent protests. http://www.alansondheim.org/Ferguson1.png http://www.alansondheim.org/Ferguson2.png http://www.alansondheim.org/Ferguson3.png ___ empyre forum empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au http://empyre.library.cornell.edu -- http://www.twitter.com/caravia15860606060 http://www.scoop.it/t/art-and-activism/ http://www.scoop.it/t/food-history-and-trivia http://www.scoop.it/t/urbanism-3-0 cell Sweden +4670-3213370 cell Uruguay +598-99470758 When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always long to return. ? Leonardo da Vinci ___ empyre forum empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au http://empyre.library.cornell.edu == email archive http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 718-813-3285 music: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ current text http://www.alansondheim.org/sw.txt == ___ empyre forum empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au http://empyre.library.cornell.edu
Re: [-empyre-] Cyberwar against St Louis / Ferguson
--empyre- soft-skinned space--But it was what I wanted to adress the arrogance of a system which feel itself as above any judgement and carry on making people unhappy and frustrated. Why is the US endemic violent? Again compare Isis beheadings with Columbine killed or with the lynched blacks I wrote about showed in the postcards of Without sanctuary. The idea you are arrogant and nobody can judge your acts give you a feeling of total impunity. The impunity is a cardinal sin is the Nazis in Europe or the Serbs in the Balcony and Israel settlers torching olives or the Israeli army bombing schools in Gaza or it's the white police in Ferguson and my own torturers walking some streets I walk, unjudged, uncontested. Ana Enviado desde Samsung Mobile Mensaje original De: Alan Sondheim sondh...@panix.com Fecha:25/11/2014 00:55 (GMT-03:00) A: soft_skinned_space empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au Asunto: Re: [-empyre-] Cyberwar against St Louis / Ferguson --empyre- soft-skinned space-- I agree with you but I don't think the grand jury was arrogant; the deliberation went on for two days and I think everyone is scared as hell. That said, the police are out of control here, there are so many goddamn guns on the street - there was an unarmed black shot just three days ago in NYC in a stairwell! You know who's arrogant? All of us who look at these symbols and say - they're out there, they're not us. But at least in the U.S. it's all us, we're all arrogant, and racism is so embedded in this society that it's a wonder war hasn't broken out here yet. And it will I think. - Alan On Tue, 25 Nov 2014, Ana Vald?s wrote: --empyre- soft-skinned space-- Ferguson is going to burn down, that's for sure. And the grand joury should be conscient and take their responsability about what is going to happen. That's the kind of arrogant behaviour who make people angry, frustrated and violent. Ana On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 12:39 AM, Alan Sondheim sondh...@panix.com wrote: --empyre- soft-skinned space-- See images below: A Missouri grand jury has decided not to indict Ferguson police Officer Darren Wilson [www.cnn.com] in the August 9 shooting death of Michael Brown, prosecutor Robert McCulloch said Monday. The incident became a flashpoint for racial tension in the St. Louis suburb; Brown was black and Wilson is white. Brown's father and others had called for calm ahead of the grand jury's decision, which comes amid concerns over the possibility of violent protests. http://www.alansondheim.org/Ferguson1.png http://www.alansondheim.org/Ferguson2.png http://www.alansondheim.org/Ferguson3.png ___ empyre forum empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au http://empyre.library.cornell.edu -- http://www.twitter.com/caravia15860606060 http://www.scoop.it/t/art-and-activism/ http://www.scoop.it/t/food-history-and-trivia http://www.scoop.it/t/urbanism-3-0 cell Sweden +4670-3213370 cell Uruguay +598-99470758 When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always long to return. ? Leonardo da Vinci ___ empyre forum empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au http://empyre.library.cornell.edu == email archive http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 718-813-3285 music: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ current text http://www.alansondheim.org/sw.txt == ___ empyre forum empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au http://empyre.library.cornell.edu ___ empyre forum empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au http://empyre.library.cornell.edu
Re: [-empyre-] Cyberwar against St Louis / Ferguson
--empyre- soft-skinned space-- On Tue, 25 Nov 2014, Ana Valdes wrote: But it was what I wanted to adress the arrogance of a system which feel itself as above any judgement and carry on making people unhappy and frustrated. Why is the US endemic violent? Again compare Isis beheadings with Columbine killed or with the lynched blacks I wrote about showed in the postcards of Without sanctuary. The idea you are arrogant and nobody can judge your acts give you a feeling of total impunity. The impunity is a cardinal sin is the Nazis in Europe or the Serbs in the Balcony and Israel settlers torching olives or the Israeli army bombing schools in Gaza or it's the white police in Ferguson and my own torturers walking some streets I walk, unjudged, uncontested. Ana - All I can say, is being here, I don't think it's impunity or arrogance; I think it has a lot to do with deep racism and fear, and the reasons that the US is violent are much more complex. I've lived all over the U.S. and in all sorts of neighborhoods and made videos in many of them, and your analysis just doesn't resonate with me. You may be right, however. For me, I think there are issues of religious fundamentalism, the history of slavery, the notion of a mobile frontier, so-called 'rugged individualism,' mistrust of east-coast liberalism, the impunity (here) of the NRA and a right-wing supreme court that approves corporate PACs as the actions of individuals, the relative isolation of many parts of the U.S. from the coasts, deep paranoia on the part of the right, bad training for the police and the militarization of vigilante groups and the police, lack of money for social safety nets and the Republican destruction of what remnants there are of such, the collapse of the middle class - and this just touches the surface. I just can't run all these areas, U.S., ISIS/Columbine, Israel, Gaza, Nazi Germany, Serbs, together. I'd rather not continue this particular thread, if you don't mind, I'm sitting here watching Ferguson burn and it's terrible however the analysis. Apologies, Alan ___ empyre forum empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au http://empyre.library.cornell.edu
