Re: [-empyre-] Sustenazo - Part II

2012-10-03 Thread Monika Weiss
Hi, 

After posting some visual materials I think my initial introduction to the 
work  is done. I am happy to take it on from there and to form a dialogue

Interesting question below from Alan about the nature of video as a catalyst 
for memory, pain and lament and later I would like to expand that part of our 
discussion towards the performative and the circular in terms of the 
relationships between cinematic mirroring and lament as well as pain. Just 
briefly for now -- about torture. I am more preoccupied with torture inflicted 
by governments, institutions and systems that often hide their violence -- as 
you know only recently in my city of origins, Warsaw, a CIA compound was found 
in which suspected terrorists were kept for a number of years and tortured by 
US forces, without any real knowledge amongst the civil part of the Polish 
government. There are thousands of examples of course. Massive, systematic pain 
and torture systems, the ones that are pre-designed by others, enlightened, 
designed by those who are in power or who represent structures of power and 
hegemony not because of hate, anger or any other emotion but because of 
fulfilling some abstracted and pragmatic goal, akin to Zygmunt Baumann's idea 
of gardening . 

Finally, I look forward to the post about Pain and other related posts expected 
this week and will hold off with posting major things for now (such as the 
City's memory and pain) until maybe later in the week.

Looking forward to our discussion

Monika


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On Oct 2, 2012, at 9:35 PM, Alan Sondheim wrote:

 
 
 Hi - some questions occasioned by what I've been reading here, and also 
 thinking about torture, living through torture. Lamentation seems to imply an 
 other, often disappeared or disappearing, that one mourns for, after, or 
 almost within; torture applies to the self to the depths that there is no 
 other. They are related by suffering, by anguish, and they both seem 
 elsewhere than new or other media - they seem unmediated, even though 
 lamentation may and often does, follow traditional cultural forms. They also 
 seem to involve a pouring out or into; the self is dissolved. Lamentation 
 seems to imply, as well, the second (still living or just alive) dissolving 
 into the third (the dead), in an uncanny way paralleling the second person, 
 'you,' dissolving into the third, 'he' or 'she' or 'it' as the body might be. 
 So how is all this manifest - or is it - through media? Is, for example, a 
 video then a catalyst - of affect, memory, mourning? I ask myself these 
 questions in the work I do in Second Life or 3d printing as well -
 
 Thanks, Alan, and please everyone, join in -
 
 
 
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Re: [-empyre-] Sustenazo - Part II - links as requested by Alan

2012-10-03 Thread Monika Weiss
http://www.artslant.com/global/artists/show/163868-monika-weiss

http://www.streamingmuseum.org/content/monika-weiss/

http://www.lehman.edu/vpadvance/artgallery/gallery/WeissbyGuyBrett.HTM

http://artnews.org/artist.php?i=5752

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7GB_n-rzhA

http://www.museodelamemoria.cl/expos/monika-weiss-sustenazo-lament-ii/

http://www.quasha.com/writing-2/on-art/on-monika-weiss

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Re: [-empyre-] Sustenazo - Part II

2012-10-03 Thread Alan Sondheim


I think torture has always been with us; there are signs dating well back 
into prehistory, and there have been books written, for example, about the 
Assyrian murals and what they depict. The Central American ball-games 
weren't innocent either of course. I think it was Lorenz who postulated 
that humans have gone awry with the development of tools that allow 
killing at a distance, in spite of deflection behavior, but torture is 
otherwise than this; it is intimate; the other's body is not only in 
reach, but is _reached._ I think all of this is tangled with our primate 
behaviour as ravaging generalists who began with limited food supplies and 
over-the-top group solidarity, but I really don't know; I do think there 
are far too many who take pleasure in torturing.


I do want to add there is other pain and suffering to consider - I'm 
thinking of cancer, of the abandonment of the elderly, even of the wildly 
different accounting for tragedy between, say, the eternal technophilic 
optimism of Wired, and the constant reminders of world-wide extinctions, 
local warfares, etc. etc. For me the accompanying images, sound-bites, and 
videos of slaughter are intolerable, inconceivable; Azure filters them for 
me, because they reduce me to catatonia. The suffering of the world is 
overwhelming, in spite of the promise of a bright and glorious future, 
etc. I don't know how to accommodate all of this, how to think of it or 
through it. My work deals with the unthinkingness or abandonment of the 
world, in other words - and it's something Sandy and I considered in the 
pain text (which we'll send out in a day or so - would rather the 
discussion continue online for now without more reading from us!).


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Re: [-empyre-] Sustenazo - Part II

2012-10-02 Thread Alan Sondheim



Hi - some questions occasioned by what I've been reading here, and also 
thinking about torture, living through torture. Lamentation seems to imply 
an other, often disappeared or disappearing, that one mourns for, after, 
or almost within; torture applies to the self to the depths that there is 
no other. They are related by suffering, by anguish, and they both seem 
elsewhere than new or other media - they seem unmediated, even though 
lamentation may and often does, follow traditional cultural forms. They 
also seem to involve a pouring out or into; the self is dissolved. 
Lamentation seems to imply, as well, the second (still living or just 
alive) dissolving into the third (the dead), in an uncanny way paralleling 
the second person, 'you,' dissolving into the third, 'he' or 'she' or 'it' 
as the body might be. So how is all this manifest - or is it - through 
media? Is, for example, a video then a catalyst - of affect, memory, 
mourning? I ask myself these questions in the work I do in Second Life or 
3d printing as well -


Thanks, Alan, and please everyone, join in -



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