Re: [Emu] Idea: New X509 Extension for securing EAP-TLS

2019-11-18 Thread Dan Harkins
On 11/18/19 3:42 PM, Alan DeKok wrote: On Nov 18, 2019, at 6:22 PM, Dan Harkins wrote: On 11/12/19 3:40 PM, Alan DeKok wrote: On Nov 12, 2019, at 3:13 PM, Cappalli, Tim (Aruba) wrote: How does a public CA prove ownership of an SSID? Do public CAs *always* verify addresses and/or

Re: [Emu] Idea: New X509 Extension for securing EAP-TLS

2019-11-18 Thread Dan Harkins
  Hi Alan, On 11/12/19 3:40 PM, Alan DeKok wrote: On Nov 12, 2019, at 3:13 PM, Cappalli, Tim (Aruba) wrote: How does a public CA prove ownership of an SSID? Do public CAs *always* verify addresses and/or telephone numbers, which are normally included in certificates? Do public CAs

Re: [Emu] Best practices for supplicants and authenticators

2019-11-18 Thread Alan DeKok
On Nov 18, 2019, at 11:01 AM, Cappalli, Tim (Aruba) wrote: > > So you’re saying an NAIRealm must be a publicly registered domain name? I > agree, but just want to be crystal clear. Yes. See RFC 7542. It defines the NAI in some detail. Alan DeKok.

Re: [Emu] Best practices for supplicants and authenticators

2019-11-18 Thread Cappalli, Tim (Aruba)
So you’re saying an NAIRealm must be a publicly registered domain name? I agree, but just want to be crystal clear. tim From: Alan DeKok Date: Monday, November 18, 2019 at 10:57 AM To: Cappalli, Tim (Aruba) Cc: EMU WG Subject: Re: [Emu] Best practices for supplicants and authenticators >

Re: [Emu] Best practices for supplicants and authenticators

2019-11-18 Thread Cappalli, Tim (Aruba)
Alan – Adding yet another OID and/or EKU to a certificate does not change the fact that no authority can attest to that information. A public CA cannot validate a ownership of an NAIRealm. So while a supplicant could be configured to validate that the server’s NAIRealm matches the local

Re: [Emu] Best practices for supplicants and authenticators

2019-11-18 Thread Alan DeKok
On Nov 18, 2019, at 10:37 AM, Cappalli, Tim (Aruba) wrote: > > If the goal is not to improve identity assurance of an EAP server then what > is this best practice change actually for? I have been *explicit* in my statements that my goal *is* to improve validation of the EAP server identity.

Re: [Emu] Best practices for supplicants and authenticators

2019-11-18 Thread Cappalli, Tim (Aruba)
If the goal is not to improve identity assurance of an EAP server then what is this best practice change actually for? From: Alan DeKok Date: Monday, November 18, 2019 at 10:34 AM To: Cappalli, Tim (Aruba) Cc: EMU WG Subject: Re: [Emu] Best practices for supplicants and authenticators >

Re: [Emu] Best practices for supplicants and authenticators

2019-11-18 Thread Alan DeKok
> On Nov 18, 2019, at 10:22 AM, Cappalli, Tim (Aruba) wrote: > > So again, if NAIRealm is not bound to an organization’s public domain name, I never suggested that or implied it. I'm not sure why it's relevant. > how does a public CA prove ownership of an NAIRealm? How is this different

Re: [Emu] Best practices for supplicants and authenticators

2019-11-18 Thread Jan-Frederik Rieckers
On 18.11.19 16:22, Cappalli, Tim (Aruba) wrote: > So again, if NAIRealm is not bound to an organization’s public domain > name, how does a public CA prove ownership of an NAIRealm? How is this > different than ESSID? It must not be a public domain name, but it can be. Speaking of eduroam this is

Re: [Emu] Best practices for supplicants and authenticators

2019-11-18 Thread Cappalli, Tim (Aruba)
So again, if NAIRealm is not bound to an organization’s public domain name, how does a public CA prove ownership of an NAIRealm? How is this different than ESSID? I don’t see how this improves assurance of a server identity. tim From: Emu Date: Monday, November 18, 2019 at 9:18 AM To: EMU WG

[Emu] Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-emu-rfc5448bis-06

2019-11-18 Thread Joseph Salowey via Datatracker
Joseph Salowey has requested publication of draft-ietf-emu-rfc5448bis-06 as Informational on behalf of the EMU working group. Please verify the document's state at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-emu-rfc5448bis/ ___ Emu mailing list

[Emu] Best practices for supplicants and authenticators

2019-11-18 Thread Alan DeKok
After the meeting earlier today, I made some notes on best practices for supplicants and authenticators. I think it would be useful to have an official WG document which gives guidance. Background: a) the current practice in TLS-based EAP methods is to use certificates with