Re: [Emu] NewSessionTicket, Resumption, close_notify, and number of round-trips

2021-01-28 Thread Alan DeKok
On Jan 28, 2021, at 9:44 AM, John Mattsson wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I am not very happy with adding an additional dummy roundtrip to the 5G >> certificate authentication. Dummy round trips are bad, unless they serve a purpose. The question here is likely not "what's best" but "what's the

Re: [Emu] NewSessionTicket, Resumption, close_notify, and number of round-trips

2021-01-28 Thread John Mattsson
Hi, I am not very happy with adding an additional dummy roundtrip to the 5G certificate authentication. Fragmentation and slow databases can be optimized away (short chains, small certs, 4K or 9K frames) but a mandatory extra roundtrip stays forever. Without fragmentation, EAP-TLS 1.3 is now

Re: [Emu] NewSessionTicket, Resumption, close_notify, and number of round-trips

2021-01-27 Thread Alan DeKok
On Jan 27, 2021, at 3:25 PM, Joseph Salowey wrote: > [Joe] It seems that resumption would help in the case that large certificates > cause multiple round trips. Do you have an idea of how widespread resumption > use is in current EAP-TLS implementations? It's common. Perhaps not

Re: [Emu] NewSessionTicket, Resumption, close_notify, and number of round-trips

2021-01-27 Thread Joseph Salowey
On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 7:17 AM Alan DeKok wrote: > On Jan 27, 2021, at 10:09 AM, John Mattsson 40ericsson@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > > > > Looking at the GitHub version after the latest changes. I don't think > the tradeoffs make sense anymore. > > > > - Full handshake is now 4.5 round-trips

Re: [Emu] NewSessionTicket, Resumption, close_notify, and number of round-trips

2021-01-27 Thread Alan DeKok
On Jan 27, 2021, at 10:09 AM, John Mattsson wrote: > > Looking at the GitHub version after the latest changes. I don't think the > tradeoffs make sense anymore. > > - Full handshake is now 4.5 round-trips Does that account for large / long certificate chains? > - Resumption is now 4.5

[Emu] NewSessionTicket, Resumption, close_notify, and number of round-trips

2021-01-27 Thread John Mattsson
Hi, Looking at the GitHub version after the latest changes. I don't think the tradeoffs make sense anymore. - Full handshake is now 4.5 round-trips - Resumption is now 4.5 round-trips. This does not seem like a good tradeoff or optimization at all. If we instead skipped Resumption, the full