[Emu] Next Steps on Passwd-based EAP Methods

2007-04-03 Thread Hannes Tschofenig
Hi all, before we spend more time considering EAP tunneling methods like PEAP and TTLS I would like to hear the opinion of our ADs on this subject. So far, the working assumption was that EAP methods that tunnel EAP are outside the scope of the working group. These statements were also

Re: [Emu] Thoughts on Password-based EAP Methods

2007-04-03 Thread Hannes Tschofenig
I see it a bit differently since I was at many EAP meetings where EAP method authors wanted to work on standards track EAP methods. Ciao Hannes Bernard Aboba wrote: Part of the problem with EAP methods is that people should have started to standardize them within the IETF several years ago.

Re: [Emu] Next Steps on Passwd-based EAP Methods

2007-04-03 Thread Hannes Tschofenig
I also need to say that at the IETF#68 EMU WG meeting the discussions in the room where pretty positive for moving forward with a simple password-based EAP method using TLS without another EAP encapsulation on top of TLS. I also got the impression after the session that the people in the room

[Emu] Re: Next Steps on Passwd-based EAP Methods

2007-04-03 Thread Sam Hartman
Hannes == Hannes Tschofenig [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hannes Hi all, before we spend more time considering EAP Hannes tunneling methods like PEAP and TTLS I would like to hear Hannes the opinion of our ADs on this subject. So far, the Hannes working assumption was that EAP

AW: AW: [Emu] Re: Next Steps on Passwd-based EAP Methods

2007-04-03 Thread Tschofenig, Hannes
During the meeting the group said that they want to have a password-based only approach (no tunneled EAP support). Even CHAP etc. was left for future work, if ever done. For this purpose PAP over TLS + room for extensibility is just good enough. Ciao Hannes -Ursprüngliche

RE: [Emu] Thoughts on Password-based EAP Methods

2007-04-03 Thread Ryan Hurst
I can easily see how crypto-binding could be added to the protocol without breaking backwards compatibility, eg how negotiation via TTLSv0's extensibility model could add this in as a optional operation that the client and server agree upon. In general I think having a standards based,

RE: [Emu] Re: Thoughts on Password-based EAP Methods

2007-04-03 Thread Glen Zorn \(gwz\)
Bernard Aboba mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] allegedly scribbled on Monday, April 02, 2007 3:42 PM: Part of the problem with EAP methods is that people should have started to standardize them within the IETF several years ago. Unfortunately, there was no interest by some of the EAP method authors

[Emu] Re: Next Steps on Passwd-based EAP Methods

2007-04-03 Thread Bernard Aboba
During the meeting the group said that they want to have a password-based only approach (no tunneled EAP support). Even CHAP etc. was left for future work, if ever done. For this purpose PAP over TLS + room for extensibility is just good enough. FWIW, EAP-TTLSv0 does support non-EAP

RE: [Emu] Thoughts on Password-based EAP Methods

2007-04-03 Thread Stephen Hanna
Jouni Malinen wrote: I'm aware of at least one, though maybe partial, implementation of TTLSv1. Anyway, I don't think it has been deployed anywhere. I talked to Paul Funk about this. He hasn't implemented EAP-TTLSv1, is not planning to do so, and is not aware of any implementations or

RE: [Emu] Thoughts on Password-based EAP Methods

2007-04-03 Thread Bernard Aboba
Also, Pascal asked about a patent application. I asked Paul about that and he said it isn't about EAP-TTLS. Searching the IETF IPR page, I found the following disclosure, which relates to TLS-IA, and therefore is only relevant to EAP-TTLSv1:

[Emu] Password based method

2007-04-03 Thread Joseph Salowey \(jsalowey\)
I would recommend that the design team put together a draft that can be evaluated against other options if they are generated. The draft should strive to meet the requirements and be simple. I think we already have a good start. Joe ___ Emu mailing