Re: [Enigmail] On Displaying Signatures

2017-11-10 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On Fri 2017-11-10 18:37:08 +0100, Patrick Brunschwig wrote: > On 10.11.17 16:25, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: >> How does the user know where the first part ends and the second part >> begins? > > There's a horizontal line between every MIME part. very subtle :( --dkg signature.asc

Re: [Enigmail] On Displaying Signatures

2017-11-10 Thread Patrick Brunschwig
On 10.11.17 16:25, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > On Fri 2017-11-10 11:12:21 +0100, Patrick Brunschwig wrote: >> That's a very important point. Option B is not possible without hacking >> deeply into Thunderbird - I would not know how to go that way. > > :( > >> I think the following variant of A

Re: [Enigmail] On Displaying Signatures

2017-11-10 Thread Werner Koch
On Fri, 10 Nov 2017 16:24, d...@fifthhorseman.net said: > reply to this thread earlier -- i had read you as agreeing with Whitey > when i read the thread offline and didn't have access to the wiki links I see. What I meant was that I "would have written the same" but long lasting discussions

Re: [Enigmail] On Displaying Signatures

2017-11-10 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On Fri 2017-11-10 11:12:21 +0100, Patrick Brunschwig wrote: > That's a very important point. Option B is not possible without hacking > deeply into Thunderbird - I would not know how to go that way. :( > I think the following variant of A is a good compromise: > > If the *first* displayed MIME

Re: [Enigmail] On Displaying Signatures

2017-11-10 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On Thu 2017-11-09 16:30:45 +0100, Werner Koch wrote: > On Mon, 6 Nov 2017 11:46, whi...@posteo.net said: > >> Why not display exactly what GnuPG reports concerning a signature? Leave >> it up to the user to make his own value judgments. > > That is what I was about to reply ;-). > > In fact we

Re: [Enigmail] On Displaying Signatures

2017-11-10 Thread Patrick Brunschwig
On 09.11.17 19:22, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > Hi Patrick-- > > Thanks for documenting this. > > On Sun 2017-11-05 12:06:54 +0100, Patrick Brunschwig wrote: >> We *only* display signature information if *all* of the following >> conditions are satisfied: > > One thing not covered by this

Re: [Enigmail] On Displaying Signatures

2017-11-10 Thread Werner Koch
On Thu, 9 Nov 2017 19:10, d...@fifthhorseman.net said: >> That is what I was about to reply ;-). > > What kind of value judgements do you expect the user to make? Most I explained this below and pointed to the current state of the discussion as described in the wiki. Salam-Shalom, Werner

Re: [Enigmail] On Displaying Signatures

2017-11-09 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
Hi Patrick-- Thanks for documenting this. On Sun 2017-11-05 12:06:54 +0100, Patrick Brunschwig wrote: > We *only* display signature information if *all* of the following > conditions are satisfied: One thing not covered by this discussion is how enigmail will deal with signatures that do not

Re: [Enigmail] On Displaying Signatures

2017-11-09 Thread Werner Koch
On Mon, 6 Nov 2017 11:46, whi...@posteo.net said: > Why not display exactly what GnuPG reports concerning a signature? Leave > it up to the user to make his own value judgments. That is what I was about to reply ;-). In fact we have spend weeks of work to come of with a useful representation

Re: [Enigmail] On Displaying Signatures

2017-11-06 Thread Sebastian
On 11/06/2017 11:46 AM, Whitey wrote: > Why not display exactly what GnuPG reports concerning a signature? Leave > it up to the user to make his own value judgments. Because not all users may be capable of jugding gnupg's outputs. And I think we also want to address the non-tech-savy users. --