Re: [Enigmail] postbox-inc.com (was: OpenPGP Support in Thunderbird 77.0b3)

[Olav Seyfarth]

  
  
Hi Dmitry,
yes, Postbox is (fully) commercial, lifetime license 40 bucks per
  user.
  Personally, I'm perfectly fine with this except that there is no
  linux version.
No, AFAIK there is no "free part" of it. If im'm not misled
  Thunderbird is
  multi-licensensed, and the parts they used allow for a commercial
  fork.
Olav

  




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Re: [Enigmail] Alert about Thunderbird 78

[Olav Seyfarth]

  
  
Hi Mark,
updating to minor 68.x versions is
safe (to retain Enigmail functionality),
upgrading to major 7x versions, you'll no longer be able to use
Enigmail
(but the build-in functionality instead, which I consider an
imporvement
in terms of direct support and responsibility by TB devs). The
only thing
is that it will not be fully feature complete in the beginning.

Olav
  




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Re: [Enigmail] OpenPGP Support in Thunderbird 77.0b3

[Olav Seyfarth]

  
  
Enigmail also supports https://www.postbox-inc.com/, a Thunderbird
fork that will continue to support Enigmail.
  




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Re: [Enigmail] Alert about Thunderbird 78

[Mark]

I just got a alert to update to Thunderbird 68.10.0 but there are no
release notes for it, so holding off until I see what it add/fixes.

On 6/30/2020 12:07 PM, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:
> Michael Gillan  wrote on 29.06.2020 23:33:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have been getting a message popping up when I open thunderbird like
>> the one below.  It refers to version 78 of Thunderbird.  However as far
>> as i know Thunderbird is still only available up to version 68.*.*. 
>>
>> Is the message genuine or a mistake?
> That message is genuine. Thunderbird 78 will soon be released, that's
> why we added this dialog in Enigmail.
>
> -Patrick
>
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[Enigmail] postbox-inc.com (was: OpenPGP Support in Thunderbird 77.0b3)

[Dmitry Alexandrov]

Patrick Brunschwig  wrote:
> Enigmail is available for:
> * Postbox (https://postbox-inc.com), a commercial product

Could you tell more about it, please?  Itʼs nonfree, is not it?

> currently based on TB 52.

Yet, being a fork of Thunderbird, it should have a substantial free part.  How 
large that part is?  Is is published?  Does it adds anything valuable on top of 
Thunderbird?


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Re: [Enigmail] OpenPGP Support in Thunderbird 77.0b3

[Mark]

I've never heard of Interlink so went to check out the website. It looks
like it might be an option depending on what TB 78.x looks like. Anyway
I didn't see Enigmail listed on the extensions page for it 
https://interlink-addons.binaryoutcast.com/extensions/



On 6/30/2020 1:08 PM, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:
>
> Enigmail is available for:
> * Postbox (https://postbox-inc.com), a commercial product
> * Interlink (https://binaryoutcast.com/projects/interlink/), a
> community-driven product.
>
> Both are currently based on TB 52. Postbox is actively maintained and
> its UI differs quite a bit from Thunderbird (I think it's nicer, but
> that's to some degree a matter of taste). Interlink is also maintained,
> but I'm not sure how actively and things like security fixes.
>
> -Patrick
>
>
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Re: [Enigmail] OpenPGP Support in Thunderbird 77.0b3

[Juergen Bruckner via enigmail-users]

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Am 30.06.20 um 22:08 schrieb Patrick Brunschwig:
> Dr. Simon Donkey via enigmail-users wrote on 30.06.2020 21:57:
>>
>> On 5/20/2020 4:23 PM, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:
>>> The Thunderbird developers have released the first beta version of
>>> Thunderbird 77 that contains native support for OpenPGP emails. The
>>> development has not yet finished; there are still itches and glitches,
>>> but the basic functionality of encryption, decryption, signing and
>>> verification of emails is there. The functionality is still considered
>>> experimental; there are still known issues and white spots.
>>>
>>> Details are available from the following post:
>>> https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/tb-planning/2020-May/007621.html
>>>
>>> Aligned with this release, I created a first beta version of
>>> Enigmail 2.2. Enigmail 2.2 is a special release that serves one single
>>> purpose: help users migrate their keys and settings from Enigmail/GnuPG
>>> to Thunderbird -- nothing more.
>>>
>>> If you want to try Enigmail 2.2 Beta 1 along with Thunderbird 77 beta 3,
>>> you can install it from here:
>>> https://enigmail.net/download/nightly/enigmail-nightly-enigmail-2.2-branch-all.xpi
>>>
>>> -Patrick
>>>
>> Hello Patrick
>>
>> Many thanks for working on Enigmail! Are there other clients beside
>> Thunderbird that support it? I'm fed up with Thunderbird and ready to
>> move on to greener pastures.
> 
> 
> Enigmail is available for:
> * Postbox (https://postbox-inc.com), a commercial product
> * Interlink (https://binaryoutcast.com/projects/interlink/), a
> community-driven product.
> 
> Both are currently based on TB 52. Postbox is actively maintained and
> its UI differs quite a bit from Thunderbird (I think it's nicer, but
> that's to some degree a matter of taste). Interlink is also maintained,
> but I'm not sure how actively and things like security fixes.
> 
> -Patrick
> 

I use Interlink as alternative mailclient. It is active developed and
new versions are released "when they are ready". Release Notes say that
there was a new release usually every 4-6 weeks since it's first release.

For me personally the only bad thing is, that Interlink is availlable
only in english - and that will not change.

regards
Juergen

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Re: [Enigmail] OpenPGP Support in Thunderbird 77.0b3

[Patrick Brunschwig]

Dr. Simon Donkey via enigmail-users wrote on 30.06.2020 21:57:
> 
> On 5/20/2020 4:23 PM, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:
>> The Thunderbird developers have released the first beta version of
>> Thunderbird 77 that contains native support for OpenPGP emails. The
>> development has not yet finished; there are still itches and glitches,
>> but the basic functionality of encryption, decryption, signing and
>> verification of emails is there. The functionality is still considered
>> experimental; there are still known issues and white spots.
>>
>> Details are available from the following post:
>> https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/tb-planning/2020-May/007621.html
>>
>> Aligned with this release, I created a first beta version of
>> Enigmail 2.2. Enigmail 2.2 is a special release that serves one single
>> purpose: help users migrate their keys and settings from Enigmail/GnuPG
>> to Thunderbird -- nothing more.
>>
>> If you want to try Enigmail 2.2 Beta 1 along with Thunderbird 77 beta 3,
>> you can install it from here:
>> https://enigmail.net/download/nightly/enigmail-nightly-enigmail-2.2-branch-all.xpi
>>
>> -Patrick
>>
> Hello Patrick
> 
> Many thanks for working on Enigmail! Are there other clients beside
> Thunderbird that support it? I'm fed up with Thunderbird and ready to
> move on to greener pastures.


Enigmail is available for:
* Postbox (https://postbox-inc.com), a commercial product
* Interlink (https://binaryoutcast.com/projects/interlink/), a
community-driven product.

Both are currently based on TB 52. Postbox is actively maintained and
its UI differs quite a bit from Thunderbird (I think it's nicer, but
that's to some degree a matter of taste). Interlink is also maintained,
but I'm not sure how actively and things like security fixes.

-Patrick



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Re: [Enigmail] OpenPGP Support in Thunderbird 77.0b3

[Dr. Simon Donkey via enigmail-users]

--- Begin Message ---
On 5/20/2020 4:23 PM, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:
> The Thunderbird developers have released the first beta version of
> Thunderbird 77 that contains native support for OpenPGP emails. The
> development has not yet finished; there are still itches and glitches,
> but the basic functionality of encryption, decryption, signing and
> verification of emails is there. The functionality is still considered
> experimental; there are still known issues and white spots.
>
> Details are available from the following post:
> https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/tb-planning/2020-May/007621.html
>
> Aligned with this release, I created a first beta version of
> Enigmail 2.2. Enigmail 2.2 is a special release that serves one single
> purpose: help users migrate their keys and settings from Enigmail/GnuPG
> to Thunderbird -- nothing more.
>
> If you want to try Enigmail 2.2 Beta 1 along with Thunderbird 77 beta 3,
> you can install it from here:
> https://enigmail.net/download/nightly/enigmail-nightly-enigmail-2.2-branch-all.xpi
>
> -Patrick
>
Hello Patrick

Many thanks for working on Enigmail! Are there other clients beside
Thunderbird that support it? I'm fed up with Thunderbird and ready to
move on to greener pastures.



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Re: [Enigmail] OpenPGP Support in Thunderbird 77.0b3

[Patrick Brunschwig]

Bradley D. Thornton wrote on 30.06.2020 16:09:
> Please see comments below...
> 
> On 6/29/2020 1:43 AM, Wayne Mery wrote:
>> On 5/20/20 10:49 AM, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:
>>> Andrew Gallagher wrote on 20.05.2020 16:46:
 Thanks, Patrick!

 On 20/05/2020 15:23, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:
> Details are available from the following post:
> https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/tb-planning/2020-May/007621.html
 ...
> Aligned with this release, I created a first beta version of
> Enigmail 2.2. Enigmail 2.2 is a special release that serves one single
> purpose: help users migrate their keys and settings from Enigmail/GnuPG
> to Thunderbird -- nothing more.
 I notice from the tb-planning email that (for understandable reasons)
 they intend to go ahead with releasing TB 78 regardless of the state of
 its PGP support. If this is not sufficiently stable or featureful, will
 we have to hold back on upgrading TB until some future release, or will
 we still be able to install a fully-functional version of Enigmail?
>>> You'll have to hold back upgrading Thunderbird. There will be no
>>> fully-functional version of Enigmail for Thunderbird 78.
>>>
>>> -Patrick
> Okay thanks Patrick :)
> 
>>
>>
>> Starting with Enigmail 2.1.7 there is now a warning to not update to 78
>> until 78.2 when automatic updates kick in.
>>
>>
> 
> As per those instructions, as well as the graphic included in your mail
> which I also received via notification from Enigmail within Thunderbird,
> I need (it would be really nice), for peace of mind, if I have a bit
> more info regarding this...
> 
> 1.) I'm currently running TB v68.9.0 according to Help ==> About, with
> the added information relating that: "You are currently on the release
> update channel.
> 
> 2.) I'm using GNUPG, NOT OpenPGP, and considering everything else, would
> prefer to stay with that and Enigmail rather than migrate away from
> Enigmail and GNUPG, as I use other things that depend upon GNU Privacy
> Guard. I'm sure they'll coexist, but I've got no desire to add cruft to
> my systems.
> 
> Q: With consideration to the information about my setup, Am I currently
> configured to be able to just sit back and forget about it, allowing TB
> to upgrade 72.2 to automatically? Or do I need to disable something?

If you did not disable automatic upgrades, you will be upgraded to TB
78.2, which means that you will not have Enigmail anymore. GnuPG will
only be supported for handling secret keys (for example for smartcard
support), but not for anything else.

You can disable automatic updates in the Thunderbird settings under
Advanced > Update.

-Patrick



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Re: [Enigmail] Alert about Thunderbird 78

[Patrick Brunschwig]

Michael Gillan  wrote on 29.06.2020 23:33:
> Hi,
> 
> I have been getting a message popping up when I open thunderbird like
> the one below.  It refers to version 78 of Thunderbird.  However as far
> as i know Thunderbird is still only available up to version 68.*.*. 
> 
> Is the message genuine or a mistake?

That message is genuine. Thunderbird 78 will soon be released, that's
why we added this dialog in Enigmail.

-Patrick

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[Enigmail] Alert about Thunderbird 78

[Michael Gillan ]

Hi,

I have been getting a message popping up when I open
thunderbird like the one below.  It refers to version
78 of Thunderbird.  However as far as i know
Thunderbird is still only available up to version 68.*.*. 

Is the message genuine or a mistake?

Regards

Michael Gillan


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Re: [Enigmail] OpenPGP Support in Thunderbird 77.0b3

[Bradley D. Thornton]

Please see comments below...

On 6/29/2020 1:43 AM, Wayne Mery wrote:
> On 5/20/20 10:49 AM, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:
>> Andrew Gallagher wrote on 20.05.2020 16:46:
>>> Thanks, Patrick!
>>>
>>> On 20/05/2020 15:23, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:
 Details are available from the following post:
 https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/tb-planning/2020-May/007621.html
>>> ...
 Aligned with this release, I created a first beta version of
 Enigmail 2.2. Enigmail 2.2 is a special release that serves one single
 purpose: help users migrate their keys and settings from Enigmail/GnuPG
 to Thunderbird -- nothing more.
>>> I notice from the tb-planning email that (for understandable reasons)
>>> they intend to go ahead with releasing TB 78 regardless of the state of
>>> its PGP support. If this is not sufficiently stable or featureful, will
>>> we have to hold back on upgrading TB until some future release, or will
>>> we still be able to install a fully-functional version of Enigmail?
>> You'll have to hold back upgrading Thunderbird. There will be no
>> fully-functional version of Enigmail for Thunderbird 78.
>>
>> -Patrick
Okay thanks Patrick :)

> 
> 
> Starting with Enigmail 2.1.7 there is now a warning to not update to 78
> until 78.2 when automatic updates kick in.
> 
> 

As per those instructions, as well as the graphic included in your mail
which I also received via notification from Enigmail within Thunderbird,
I need (it would be really nice), for peace of mind, if I have a bit
more info regarding this...

1.) I'm currently running TB v68.9.0 according to Help ==> About, with
the added information relating that: "You are currently on the release
update channel.

2.) I'm using GNUPG, NOT OpenPGP, and considering everything else, would
prefer to stay with that and Enigmail rather than migrate away from
Enigmail and GNUPG, as I use other things that depend upon GNU Privacy
Guard. I'm sure they'll coexist, but I've got no desire to add cruft to
my systems.

Q: With consideration to the information about my setup, Am I currently
configured to be able to just sit back and forget about it, allowing TB
to upgrade 72.2 to automatically? Or do I need to disable something?

Thanks :)

Kindest regards,


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